2023 Phoenix Suns Offseason

[Chaplin]

I don't know how all the guys play yet. I am guessing Ayton, Eubanks, and then one of the other long guys we just signed. If you buy into the hype, Bol Bol probably plays Giannis one on one and keeps him down into the 20 point range!

Book on Middleton, Ayton on Giannis and KD on Lopez.

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

Eubanks proved it all over the place? He's had 1 decent season in his 5 years in the league. He was given away by San Antonio and waived by Toronto the season before last. He got lucky Portland gave him a few 10 days and kept him.

Drew did play a lot more than Jock, 1584 minutes to 589 for Jock, and seems to be a better rim protector but almost all of their stats are very close. Considering Jock was in his first year in the league and Eubanks has played in 5 seasons, he should be farther along with more disparity in their stats but there wasn't. Beside that though he's never played for a team trying to win anything other than ping pong balls.


When you look at advanced stats that don't take playing time into account, where Drew had 3 times as much as Jock, the differences across the board are negligible.

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Okay. So he’s still not a “downgrade” from jock.

 

[Germz249]

This is weird “jock is better than drew” fallacy must have arisen from the same place the “jock is a good three point shooter” fallacy originated. Jock fanbois run deep. In virtually no category is Jock better than eubanks (for their career or for last season):

How is Jock making more than Eubanks? His numbers aren't better than Eubanks. Maybe its cause I will never have a chance at making that kind of money but is a chance at winning a ring and vet min appeal more than making Jock money?
To me I would take the money cause who knows if I would ever get that chance at a big contract.

 

[Yuma]

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This is two hours long, but really interesting. Happened just before CP3 traded. Sounds like he had an inkling this was in the works. It doesn't talk all about vegan diet. Really dives into CP3's whole life.

 

[Hoop Head]

How is Jock making more than Eubanks? His numbers aren't better than Eubanks. Maybe its cause I will never have a chance at making that kind of money but is a chance at winning a ring and vet min appeal more than making Jock money?
To me I would take the money cause who knows if I would ever get that chance at a big contract.

Because advanced stats are very similar between the two and I think NBA GM's, and fans, value what a player does on a winning team more than a lottery team. Jock showed some real flashes in the Denver series. I think it was game 4 where he was really good and clearly outplayed Ayton while also frustrated Jokic. When someone steps up when the lights are brightest says more about a player than how they perform as a backup on a bad team.

I don't think the financials should measure difference in quality as far as Jock being 4 times the player Eubanks is even though he's making roughly 4 times as much next season. I'd feel more comfortable with Jock starting than Eubanks if DA wasn't available but I don't like our chances in a playoff game where either of them is starting, especially against Denver, Milwaukee, or Philadelphia. I completely understand going for Eubanks at a quarter of the price Jock makes because you aren't going to get that much more from either one.

Like @Mainstreet said, having both would probably be the best outcome given what was available but Jock got overpaid so walking away from that was the right move. I just wish we had 1 more capable C, someone to challenge for that backup role in practice regularly. I don't see Metu as that guy. Going with a veteran might have been a better move over 2 undersized and unseasoned C/PF's. Bringing back Saric would have been better than Metu or resigning Ish.

 

[GatorAZ]

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This is two hours long, but really interesting. Happened just before CP3 traded. Sounds like he had an inkling this was in the works. It doesn't talk all about vegan diet. Really dives into CP3's whole life.

For a professional athlete to get enough calories without animal protein & fat they’d have to be consuming a lot of processed crap that’s technically “vegan” but still crap. I’m not sure when he went vegan but he’s been on the soft bodied side for several years it’s seemed.

 

[Yuma]

For a professional athlete to get enough calories without animal protein & fat they’d have to be consuming a lot of processed crap that’s technically “vegan” but still crap. I’m not sure when he went vegan but he’s been on the soft bodied side for several years it’s seemed.

They specifically talk about vegan crap foods. Sounds like he's on the right track. He has nutritionalists and cooks. Rich Roll hooked him up with an expert, too. I am vegan, and you can get enough protein, that's a fallacy. Fiber is the missing piece of the Standard American Diet. Recent nutritional research shows it's fiber, not protein, that's missing for your gut biome to function properly and provide the nutrition your cells need to recover faster, etc.

Anyway, I posted the video because about 90 percent is about basketball, and other topics I found interesting. This is about the most insight into CP3 you are going to get anywhere. It appears he sincerely answers questions an provides heartfelt insights.

CP3: "Fall in love with the work." He says if you fall in love the work, everything else will follow.

 

[Hoop Head]

They specifically talk about vegan crap foods. Sounds like he's on the right track. He has nutritionalists and cooks. Rich Roll hooked him up with an expert, too. I am vegan, and you can get enough protein, that's a fallacy. Fiber is the missing piece of the Standard American Diet. Recent nutritional research shows it's fiber, not protein, that's missing for your gut biome to function properly and provide the nutrition your cells need to recover faster, etc.

Anyway, I posted the video because about 90 percent is about basketball, and other topics I found interesting. This is about the most insight into CP3 you are going to get anywhere. It appears he sincerely answers questions an provides heartfelt insights.

You may be vegan but you aren't a professional athlete competing against other world class athletes. So I would imagine you would need to overhaul your diet if your livelihood was directly linked to how well you stacked up against the top 500 basketball players in the world. There's a reason we don't hear of more vegan pro athletes. Their bodies burn through more of basically everything than most of us even consume on a daily basis to live a standard life.

As far as I recall, Paul went Vegan when he was dealt to OKC. He did it to change things up because when Houston dealt him the narrative was he was washed up and had the worst contract in the NBA. He proved the naysayers wrong in OKC by mentoring their youth and leading a bad team to the playoffs.

 

[Yuma]

You may be vegan but you aren't a professional athlete competing against other world class athletes. So I would imagine you would need to overhaul your diet if your livelihood was directly linked to how well you stacked up against the top 500 basketball players in the world. There's a reason we don't hear of more vegan pro athletes. Their bodies burn through more of basically everything than most of us even consume on a daily basis to live a standard life.

As far as I recall, Paul went Vegan when he was dealt to OKC. He did it to change things up because when Houston dealt him the narrative was he was washed up and had the worst contract in the NBA. He proved the naysayers wrong in OKC by mentoring their youth and leading a bad team to the playoffs.

You have to watch the video. It was when he went to the Clippers that started his nutritional journey. In fact, there are several top athletes in their sports that are vegan now, as well as Jae Crowder and Torrey Craig who became vegan. They all say they recover faster, don't have to ice down like they used to, etc. Really, you guys have to watch the video. It answers ALL your questions, AND it's mostly insights on what happened at different NBA stops, etc. There's way more to it than diet. It's mostly NOT about diet.

 

[AzStevenCal]

You may be vegan but you aren't a professional athlete competing against other world class athletes. So I would imagine you would need to overhaul your diet if your livelihood was directly linked to how well you stacked up against the top 500 basketball players in the world. There's a reason we don't hear of more vegan pro athletes. Their bodies burn through more of basically everything than most of us even consume on a daily basis to live a standard life.

As far as I recall, Paul went Vegan when he was dealt to OKC. He did it to change things up because when Houston dealt him the narrative was he was washed up and had the worst contract in the NBA. He proved the naysayers wrong in OKC by mentoring their youth and leading a bad team to the playoffs.

I'm not sure I'd agree. It would take extra effort for a high level athlete to go Vegan and still meet his/her protein needs but it can be done. Your body needs slightly more protein if you're getting it all from non-meat sources but we're talking about maybe 10% more which should be reasonably doable unless you're also removing beans and legumes from your routine.

And I think the main reason we don't hear much about a lot of Vegan pro athletes is that charred beef and chicken when fried, baked, roasted or grilled taste so damned good.

 

[GatorAZ]

You have to watch the video. It was when he went to the Clippers that started his nutritional journey. In fact, there are several top athletes in their sports that are vegan now, as well as Jae Crowder and Torrey Craig who became vegan. They all say they recover faster, don't have to ice down like they used to, etc. Really, you guys have to watch the video. It answers ALL your questions, AND it's mostly insights on what happened at different NBA stops, etc. There's way more to it than diet. It's mostly NOT about diet.

I remember Tyrann Mathieu making headlines by stating he was a vegan but then said he still consumes eggs and dairy. So maybe they’re confusing vegetarian with vegan. Who actually knows what these guys in relation to what they say or whether they’re pushing an agenda.

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He adopted a mostly vegan lifestyle in 2016, but he still eats eggs and dairy products occasionally.

In an interview with ESPN, Mathieu said that his decision to add some animal products back into his diet was about ensuring that he has enough protein to maintain his muscle mass. He also noted that eggs and dairy are “not the best choices,” but that they’re still better than eating meat.

 

[CardsSunsDbacks]

We have professional athletes choosing to go vegan to HELP them in their sport and people on here are questioning the validity of a vegan diet for pro athletes...

We also have Novak Djokovic who is on a plant based diet and physically looks as good as ever at 36 years old. He is also more muscular than he has ever been in his career prior as well.

 

[Proximo]

Okay. So he’s still not a “downgrade” from jock.

He is in terms of his 1 on 1 post defense, but he should be better in every other way.

 

[Peter Sheldon]

I'll have to differ on the Vegan assessments. My wife has had extensive modern nutritional training and conferences over the past 18 years. (one of her classmates became a Lakers nutritionist). One of them beat MS thru nutrition. The number of people in her classes that were vegan and converted to high quality fat/low carb diets and gained energy and lost weight is staggering. They raved about how their lives/energy improved. You lose out on B-12 and CLA in a vegan diet and have to back-supplement quite a bit if you go down the vegan route. The goll bladder is in your body to break down fats. It can atrophy without being used. Contrary to popular thought, quality fats (must be from healthy animals) are nutrient dense and the body can absorb nutrients mush faster from fats and protein than from vegetables. vegan diets are like kindling in a fireplace that burns out quickly. Fats are like logs that last a lot longer and you need fewer snacks between meals. And you do not gain fat or cholesterol from eating fat. When you buy a low fat product, it is back-filled with harmful chemicals and sugars and sugar substitutes. Sugars, sugar substitutes, bad cooking oils, GMOs, simple carbs and man-made foods are the enemy.......rant over.

 

[GatorAZ]

We have professional athletes choosing to go vegan to HELP them in their sport and people on here are questioning the validity of a vegan diet for pro athletes...

We also have Novak Djokovic who is on a plant based diet and physically looks as good as ever at 36 years old. He is also more muscular than he has ever been in his career prior as well.

Djokovic’s diet includes fish…

The food that fuels a champion: Novak Djokovic credits strict diet for tennis success

The crazy diet that fuels a tennis ace

www.foxsports.com.au

 

[CardsSunsDbacks]

Djokovic’s diet includes fish…

The food that fuels a champion: Novak Djokovic credits strict diet for tennis success

The crazy diet that fuels a tennis ace

www.foxsports.com.au

That's fair, but doesn't change the fact that there are quite a bit of pro-athletes (especially aging ones) that are performing at a high level on a vegan diet. Of course Djokovic has never called himself a vegan as far is I recall and says that he uses a plant based diet.

 

[AzStevenCal]

Djokovic’s diet includes fish…

The food that fuels a champion: Novak Djokovic credits strict diet for tennis success

The crazy diet that fuels a tennis ace

www.foxsports.com.au

Yeah if I were starting over I think I'd try to adopt a Pescatarian diet. Unfortunately, even that diet has become more challenging given all we've done and are doing to destroy our oceans, lakes and rivers.

 

[Yuma]

I honestly wasn't trying to spark a debate on nutrition. If people aren't familiar with Rich Roll, he interviews famous vegans. Sometimes, like this interview, they go way in depth on the person's personal story. It briefly touched on the vegan diet. Rich Roll assumes everyone knows about the vegan diet, so he tries to find out things we can learn from his guests. He's a very good interviewer who researches different sources to bring out facts about an interviewee that people didn't know before. If you want to know all about CP3, who just wrote a book, watch the video.

I do know everyone's bodies are different. I did the vegan diet in response to a 98% arterial blockage I had that caused a heart attack. You can get quality fats from plants. I can only say I lost 80 pounds, and have been able to build back some muscle, and my body looks similar to when I was a teen ager. I am wearing size thirty pants for the first time since high school. I have way more energy. My breathing is not labored anymore. I am not snoring. I am able to do calisthenics and see results. I just burned the hell out of my arm on my oven. My wife and I thought it would scar for sure. It looked really nasty and crusty. It healed without a trace at my old age.

I know it's not for everyone (Vegan). But instead of telling people to be vegan, what I will tell people is eat more fiber! The Standard American Diet (SAD) has stripped fiber from the food. We have a national health crisis that people are not eating enough fiber and too much fat. They now know that diabetes is caused by a high fat diet, not sugar. Fiber can help your gut biome, it can make you feel fuller so you don't have to eat three burgers to feel full, and it helps prevent colon cancers. I went to the store with my wife and she picked out 15 grain bread for fiber, we flipped it over and one slice had only 2% of the daily fiber you need. Only 2%! We found hamburger buns at 0%! ZERO! People, eat more fiber!

 

[Yuma]

I'll have to differ on the Vegan assessments. My wife has had extensive modern nutritional training and conferences over the past 18 years. (one of her classmates became a Lakers nutritionist). One of them beat MS thru nutrition. The number of people in her classes that were vegan and converted to high quality fat/low carb diets and gained energy and lost weight is staggering. They raved about how their lives/energy improved. You lose out on B-12 and CLA in a vegan diet and have to back-supplement quite a bit if you go down the vegan route. The goll bladder is in your body to break down fats. It can atrophy without being used. Contrary to popular thought, quality fats (must be from healthy animals) are nutrient dense and the body can absorb nutrients mush faster from fats and protein than from vegetables. vegan diets are like kindling in a fireplace that burns out quickly. Fats are like logs that last a lot longer and you need fewer snacks between meals. And you do not gain fat or cholesterol from eating fat. When you buy a low fat product, it is back-filled with harmful chemicals and sugars and sugar substitutes. Sugars, sugar substitutes, bad cooking oils, GMOs, simple carbs and man-made foods are the enemy.......rant over.

Whole Foods and Fiber! Pump up the fiber! If you look at the government's daily standards for men and women, you can see that almost no one is meeting that standard. For animal products, try and get them without the antibiotics and steroids they give to animals on factory farms. Grass fed beef has the right aminos.

 

[CardsSunsDbacks]

The Standard American Diet (SAD) has stripped fiber from the food.

Seems like a fitting acronym...

 

[Yuma]

But if there’s one question about the 2023-24 team, Majerle knows that pressure remains on Ayton to take the next step.

“For me, when you pay a guy over $100 million, you know, it’s on you. It really is,” Majerle said. “The guy is a grown man … if he wants to change the perception of what he is, that’s what he’s got to do. For him, all he’s got to do is play with a great motor … rebound the basketball, set great picks, roll, finish, play defense and all those things, and if you win those things are going to come.




“All the accolades are going to come your way. He’s out of excuses, he’s got to bucket down and not worry about what everybody thinks about him.”

Dan Majerle on Ayton

 

[Yuma]

Dan Majerle on 92/93 team and comparison to today's Suns:

“Just shows you how hard it is to win a championship,” Majerle said. “You can be so close and things have to bounce your way … the Suns are in the same position. The difference from what happened in 92-93 and those two and three years after is (now) I actually think the Suns have made themselves a better team. They’ve added a generational player in KD, and Booker is a rising superstar. Back when we were playing, Charles was aging, Danny retired, I was moving on.”

 

[Mainstreet]

In an excerpt taken from Hoops Rumor, James Jones gives himself an “eight out of 10” for how he was able to construct the Suns roster around the big four.


July 24th, 2023 at 10:40am CST by Arthur Hill, Hoops Rumor:


In an interview with Duane Rankin of The Arizona Republic, Suns president of basketball operations James Jones gives himself an “eight out of 10” for how he was able to construct the team’s roster around its new Big Four. Jones was limited in the moves he could make after trading for Bradley Beal to team with Devin Booker, Kevin Durant and Deandre Ayton, but he found an intriguing mix of veterans and young talent.

Phoenix Suns Rumors | Hoops Rumors

Phoenix Suns trade, free agent, and draft rumors, updated constantly by the NBA experts at HoopsRumors.com.

www.hoopsrumors.com

 

[Yuma]

Excerpt Hoops Rumor with Duane Rankin:

On new owner Mat Ishbia’s input during his first offseason with the team:

“He talked about speed, focus and understand what it is we’re trying to accomplish and get after it. Don’t second-guess it, don’t overthink it. Trust your instincts, trust your team and then go out there, find the best options for us and then make those options work. For me, it’s clear focus. He’s given me clear direction that allows me to focus on the things I enjoy the most, which is figuring out how to maximize the environment for our players and coaches and get a win.”

 

[Mainstreet]

Whole Foods and Fiber! Pump up the fiber! If you look at the government's daily standards for men and women, you can see that almost no one is meeting that standard. For animal products, try and get them without the antibiotics and steroids they give to animals on factory farms. Grass fed beef has the right aminos.

I'm buying hearty grain bread to get more fiber. Unfortunately, a lot of jams have gone seedless.

The last batch of blackberry jam I bought resembles jelly. I won't be buying that anymore.