2024 1st round pick #4 is Marvin Harrison Jr

[Timm Rosenbach]

The vast majority of us wanted him and I think that many of us would take it back at this point and draft either Nabers or Alt. MHJ catches the ball with his body and his hands appear to be pretty poor. Thats going to take a while to correct. I don’t care what plays are called, when you get two hands on the ball and drop it, you are not doing your job

 

[oaken1]

He's a Maserati with the aggressiveness of Yugo. He's got to toughen up and make plays on balls, instead of continuing to let defenders knock him off his route and/or waiting for the ball to get to him.

100%
It's an attitude. "That's MY freaking ball" ...then get after it...
Marv ain't there yet

 

[Timm Rosenbach]

100%
It's an attitude. "That's MY freaking ball" ...then get after it...
Marv ain't there yet

And Malik Nabers and Brian Thomas are. Thats the disappointment

 

[Crimson Warrior]

And Malik Nabers and Brian Thomas are. Thats the disappointment

First, let me say I'm far far away from saying MHJ is a bust.

But based on all the "he already preparers like an NFL veteran" stuff I would have thought he'd be a little more NFL-ready. He's not. I mean pretty clearly he's not.

To me (what do I know), it seems like he's actually below average NFL-ready, which is shocking and super disappointing.

But again, I probably had unrealistic expectations about him coming in and dominating. As long as he's playing great (like top-10-WR-in-the-league great) by year two or even three, then it will be fine.

 

[CardNots]

As long as he's playing great (like top-10-WR-in-the-league great) by year two or even three, then it will be fine.

Ahhh, the waiting game requires time.

Us old ones are running a bit short…

 

[RON_IN_OC]

But based on all the "he already preparers like an NFL veteran" stuff I would have thought he'd be a little more NFL-ready. He's not. I mean pretty clearly he's not.

To me (what do I know), it seems like he's actually below average NFL-ready, which is shocking and super disappointing.

Maybe his dad saw this, too, and that's the real reason he was held out of pre-draft workouts and the combine, to prepare for an NFL season.

Do they run a complex offense at O St? Because on top of his lack of aggressiveness, he also seems to lack some fundamentals of where his routes are supposed to go in Petzings offense. I don't really see other young or new receivers on the team having as hard a time with it, as Marv is. Every game there seems to be plays where he zags and he should have zigged.

 

[CardNots]

Maybe his dad saw this, too, and that's the real reason he was held out of pre-draft workouts and the combine, to prepare for an NFL season.

Do they run a complex offense at O St? Because on top of his lack of aggressiveness, he also seems to lack some fundamentals of where his routes are supposed to go in Petzings offense. I don't really see other young or new receivers on the team having as hard a time with it, as Marv is. Every game there seems to be plays where he zags and he should have zigged.

I’m starting to worry about what’s between his ears.

 

[Brian in Mesa]

Really did not want us to draft him. Wanted us to trade down and still manage to draft Rome Odunze but get some other picks as well. Even if we missed out on Odunze - I wanted us to get more players. We were not one top WR away from being a contender.

Something just seemed off about MHJ with the way he was handling everything coming out of college. And then there is the history of all of the father and son tandems that have ever played in the NFL - no son has ever followed a HOF career by their father with a HOF career of their own. We are already bad enough - we don't need to try and beat history while we are at it.

Just like Murray, I will keep hoping he proves me wrong. As a fan - even if you wouldn't have drafted either guy - you have no choice but to cheer for the players we do have. SMH.

 

[RON_IN_OC]

Last thing I got...If Cards are following the Detroit model...look at how many 1st Round bust WRs they drafted, before they finally landed on Calvin Johnson.

 

[Chopper0080]

MHJ is going to be fine guys. Almost every WR we have added needed time to gel with Kyler. Larry needed time to gel. Hopkins needed the least but still needed some. Wilson needed time. AJ Green needed time. Brown never really got that connection. One of the best traits for Marv is his work ethic. He will figure it out.

 

[DVontel]

MHJ is going to be fine guys. Almost every WR we have added needed time to gel with Kyler. Larry needed time to gel. Hopkins needed the least but still needed some. Wilson needed time. AJ Green needed time. Brown never really got that connection. One of the best traits for Marv is his work ethic. He will figure it out.

I don’t like equating Larry and AJ here cause they were already over the hill by the time they linked up with Kyler. I think Christian Kirk is a way better example.

 

[Chopper0080]

I don’t like equating Larry and AJ here cause they were already over the hill by the time they linked up with Kyler. I think Christian Kirk is a way better example.

I am good with that.

 

[Russ Smith]

Really did not want us to draft him. Wanted us to trade down and still manage to draft Rome Odunze but get some other picks as well. Even if we missed out on Odunze - I wanted us to get more players. We were not one top WR away from being a contender.

Something just seemed off about MHJ with the way he was handling everything coming out of college. And then there is the history of all of the father and son tandems that have ever played in the NFL - no son has ever followed a HOF career by their father with a HOF career of their own. We are already bad enough - we don't need to try and beat history while we are at it.

Just like Murray, I will keep hoping he proves me wrong. As a fan - even if you wouldn't have drafted either guy - you have no choice but to cheer for the players we do have. SMH.

The only real doubt I had personality wise is just a pet peeve of mine, the whole wearing sunglasses indoors thing. That's always been a weird thing IMO but certainly not something that says don't draft the kid. And I don't think that has anything to do with his issues, by all accounts he IS working hard.

I just think he's in a position where the team needs him to be great right now, and he's not. I think he certainly can be and probably eventually will be but he seems a bit overwhelmed right now. He makes a play and then disappears.

 

[CardsSunsDbacks]

The only real doubt I had personality wise is just a pet peeve of mine, the whole wearing sunglasses indoors thing. That's always been a weird thing IMO but certainly not something that says don't draft the kid. And I don't think that has anything to do with his issues, by all accounts he IS working hard.

I just think he's in a position where the team needs him to be great right now, and he's not. I think he certainly can be and probably eventually will be but he seems a bit overwhelmed right now. He makes a play and then disappears.

The team is doing nothing to make things easy on him. Not moving him pre-snap and not setting him up for easy catches on short routes and screen plays. I get that those routes may not be his greatest strength, but it at least gets him involved in the offense early and often. It also gives the defense more to think about than a grand total of like 5 different routes that are all down the field.

 

[Cheesebeef]

The only real doubt I had personality wise is just a pet peeve of mine, the whole wearing sunglasses indoors thing. That's always been a weird thing IMO but certainly not something that says don't draft the kid. And I don't think that has anything to do with his issues, by all accounts he IS working hard.

I just think he's in a position where the team needs him to be great right now, and he's not. I think he certainly can be and probably eventually will be but he seems a bit overwhelmed right now. He makes a play and then disappears.

To quote Larry David:

There’s only two type of people who wear sunglasses indoors… blind people and a-holes.

 

[ASUCHRIS]

He was pivotal in us winning the game last week on a contested catch on 4th and 5.

One of two catches he had the entire day. Is that really what you were expecting?

 

[MadCardDisease]

Kind of glad Fanatics is fighting MHJr. Saved me from buying his jersey.

 

[RON_IN_OC]

The team is doing nothing to make things easy on him. Not moving him pre-snap and not setting him up for easy catches on short routes and screen plays. I get that those routes may not be his greatest strength, but it at least gets him involved in the offense early and often. It also gives the defense more to think about than a grand total of like 5 different routes that are all down the field.

Maybe he can't handle motion offense yet. Like I asked earlier, how is the complexity of O State's offense?

 

[Shane]

Maybe he can't handle motion offense yet. Like I asked earlier, how is the complexity of O State's offense?

I mean, I’m no expert but how much brain power can it possibly take to “handle” motion? Been a whole crap ton of rookies even ones that aren’t stars that come in and do motion from day one.

 

[Chopper0080]

Maybe he can't handle motion offense yet. Like I asked earlier, how is the complexity of O State's offense?

The lack of motion in the AZ offense preceded MHJ so this is an uninformed/misleading topic.

 

[Chopper0080]

I mean, I’m no expert but how much brain power can it possibly take to “handle” motion? Been a whole crap ton of rookies even ones that aren’t stars that come in and do motion from day one.

because it has nothing to do with MHJ.

 

[SoonerLou]

Highlighted these two cause once Kyler underthrew and the other he overthrew it. I think Kyler still struggles figuring out just how fast he's running. Still kinda surprised he didn't get back to that bad underthrow to knock it down.

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[Dan H]

I swear all this grousing is a repeat of the grumbling about Fitz his first few years. The board has a short memory.

 

[GeorgiaCard88]

We can nit pick all day- but if I was a betting man- you stick MHJ on another team with an above average pocket passing QB and he would be tearing it up

 

[Russ Smith]

We can nit pick all day- but if I was a betting man- you stick MHJ on another team with an above average pocket passing QB and he would be tearing it up

If you watched the Petzing presser he said he's pleased with where Marv is but "he needs to clean some things up." Now Petzing says clean things up like most people use the word "the" so not a big thing but if you watch the whole thing he says it on Marv several times. At one point someone asks him about the analysis(from people like Kimes) that alot of the plays to Marv are low percentage or 50/50 balls and does he have a comment on it and he said no.

I've watched 3 of them now with Petzing I think it's obvious that he thinks the issues between Kyler and marv, are largely on Marv, and that there's communication and just being in the right place issues that they're working on during the week. Week after week he says Kyler is doing a good job of keeping even keel, which is a polite way of saying he's not blowing up at all the drops, bad routes and other things he's seeing.

Petzing was asked if the Wr group is performing as they expected and he without batting an eye says yes, if that's true the entire staff should be fired for knowing the Wr room was this mediocre and not doing anything to upgrade it.