2024-2025 Around the NBA Thread

[Yuma]

Dunn is still a rookie, Camara has a year under his belt. That makes a real difference.

Dunn has more upside because he is much better athletically. Should we have given away Camara, absolutely not.

I bet year two of Dunn will be much better. The difference you can see in Camara is he is jacked this year compared to his rookie season. He looked NBA ready his rookie year, but I hardly recognized him at first on TV. Dunn has that rookie soft look. If he can get jacked half as much as Camara, he's going to be that much better on defense than he already is.

 

[GatorAZ]

I forget who I was arguing with over losing Camara in the trade but they were right. Any team in the league would take a 6’8” Ryan Dunn on their team. Both of them would’ve been a poor man’s version of the twins on cheap deals.

 

[Yuma]

I forget who I was arguing with over losing Camara in the trade but they were right. Any team in the league would take a 6’8” Ryan Dunn on their team. Both of them would’ve been a poor man’s version of the twins on cheap deals.

These guys are a premium right now. We better keep Dunn. We got lucky picking the right guy in two drafts. Look how many teams miss out on players in the draft. It's a crap shoot.

 

[Phrazbit]

Dunn is still a rookie, Camara has a year under his belt. That makes a real difference.

Dunn has more upside because he is much better athletically. Should we have given away Camara, absolutely not.

Part of my dealing with the aggravation of missing out on Haliburton was accepting that he'd probably have just been tossed into the KD trade.

 

[Russ Smith]

20 games with Schroder the Warriors are 8-12 and he's shooting 36 percent overall and 28 from 3. He was arguably having one of his best seasons ever when they got him but he just has NOT fit the offense. He's a PNR guy and they don't like to run that. He has the 2nd worst plus minus number with Curry on the roster(Lindy Waters worse). He was supposed to take Curry off the ball more so he could focus on scoring more but the results have not worked.

Really fooled me I loved the deal at the time, now I hate it

 

[Phrazbit]

20 games with Schroder the Warriors are 8-12 and he's shooting 36 percent overall and 28 from 3. He was arguably having one of his best seasons ever when they got him but he just has NOT fit the offense. He's a PNR guy and they don't like to run that. He has the 2nd worst plus minus number with Curry on the roster(Lindy Waters worse). He was supposed to take Curry off the ball more so he could focus on scoring more but the results have not worked.

Really fooled me I loved the deal at the time, now I hate it

I've never been a fan of his. He has spells where he looks alright, but it is usually playing for a trash team who is typically trailing by 15. When he has been in a position to make an impact on a team that matters, he stinks, IMO, he tries way too hard to prove himself.

 

[Hoop Head]

I've never been a fan of his. He has spells where he looks alright, but it is usually playing for a trash team who is typically trailing by 15. When he has been in a position to make an impact on a team that matters, he stinks, IMO, he tries way too hard to prove himself.

When playing for perennial losers it's more important to look at efficiency vs statistical totals or averages. That's where advanced stats win out. Anyone expecting Cam Johnson to show up and score almost 20 a game are going to be disappointed but anyone wanting him to hit open 3's and take good shots will get what they're after. With Cam we saw him do that here on a winning team and contribute to that success. His numbers are inflated in Brooklyn because he's a #1 or #2 option most nights.

Point guards need to be examined closer because every team/coach assigns different responsibilities to them. Jamal Murray wouldn't be a good fit here despite being a superior PG to Tyus Jones in almost every measurable way but style is very important when taking in a PG because their assignments differ from team to team.

Better talent in a bubble doesn't always mean that's equally transferable from bubble to bubble.

 

[Phrazbit]

When playing for perennial losers it's more important to look at efficiency vs statistical totals or averages. That's where advanced stats win out. Anyone expecting Cam Johnson to show up and score almost 20 a game are going to be disappointed but anyone wanting him to hit open 3's and take good shots will get what they're after. With Cam we saw him do that here on a winning team and contribute to that success. His numbers are inflated in Brooklyn because he's a #1 or #2 option most nights.

Point guards need to be examined closer because every team/coach assigns different responsibilities to them. Jamal Murray wouldn't be a good fit here despite being a superior PG to Tyus Jones in almost every measurable way but style is very important when taking in a PG because their assignments differ from team to team.

Better talent in a bubble doesn't always mean that's equally transferable from bubble to bubble.

Absolutely.

Jamal Murray is a great example, he is his team's "point guard" yet he almost never has point guard duties. He is the secondary play maker to the biggest offensive threat in the NBA. He is a good player, don't get me wrong, and big moments don't bother him, but if he is the "best" player on a team, or even option 1b, that team probably isn't making the playoffs. I think there are a number of lesser viewed players who could fill the role he plays for Denver.

I want to compare him to BJ Armstrong, but he's better than that... but not a lot better. I really think if you take Murray out of Denver he's just an above average starting guard.

 

[Mainstreet]

Please, Suns, don't even think about it. Phoenix has better point guards on two-way contracts.

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[carrrnuttt]

Please, Suns, don't even think about it. Phoenix has better point guards on two-way contracts.

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[Mainstreet]

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[Ronin]

NBA Slam Dunk Contest participants set, with Mac McClung rounding out four-man field

McClung will aim for a slam dunk contest three-peat against Stephon Castle, Matas Buzelis and Andre Jackson Jr..

sports.yahoo.com

 

[Ronin]

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Isaiah Thomas reportedly signs with G League's Salt Lake City Stars, eyes NBA return

Thomas, 35, played in six games for the Suns last season and was not signed to any team the season before that.

sports.yahoo.com

 

[95pro]

Please, Suns, don't even think about it. Phoenix has better point guards on two-way contracts.

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Then we'll have two IT's in the organization

 

[Mainstreet]

Then we'll have two IT's in the organization

Let's hope not. I think Collin Gillespie may have a bright future with the team.

 

[Mainstreet]

Jimmy Butler is being suspended indefinitely.

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[Proximo]

Jimmy Butler is being suspended indefinitely.

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This makes me very happy. Since they don't have to pay him and their team is going nowhere this season, the Heat have very little reason to give him what he wants, at least till the offseason.

 

[Hoop Head]

This makes me very happy. Since they don't have to pay him and their team is going nowhere this season, the Heat have very little reason to give him what he wants, at least till the offseason.

I agree plus I like how owners are standing up to ridiculous player demands. Butler dug his own grave by restricting the list of team's he'd be willing to play for. I can sympathize if a player just wants out of a dysfunctional organization but if you want to choose your landing then become a free agent. Butler reportedly said no to a package that would have landed him in Memphis, which is a good team so he had his chance out of Miami and sabotaged it.

 

[Mainstreet]

I agree plus I like how owners are standing up to ridiculous player demands. Butler dug his own grave by restricting the list of team's he'd be willing to play for. I can sympathize if a player just wants out of a dysfunctional organization but if you want to choose your landing then become a free agent. Butler reportedly said no to a package that would have landed him in Memphis, which is a good team so he had his chance out of Miami and sabotaged it.

One of the teams that was a potential trade partner was going to use Butler's contract as an expiring contract.

If Memphis was that team, I understand why Butler didn't want to be traded there. However, I disagree how he has handled the matter.

I wish by worries consisted of wanting two or more $50 million dollar contracts.

 

[Mainstreet]

FWIW.

The Bucks are reportedly interested in trading for Zach LaVine.

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[Russ Smith]

I've never been a fan of his. He has spells where he looks alright, but it is usually playing for a trash team who is typically trailing by 15. When he has been in a position to make an impact on a team that matters, he stinks, IMO, he tries way too hard to prove himself.

Yeah I hate to say it but my opinion of the deal was largely based on one game this year for the Nets where he torched the Warriors leading the nets to a win.

To be fair the 8-12 is also during the time Kuminga has been out with an ankle injury, Podz was out, Draymond has been out, so not just Schroder to blame but it's definitely been a factor.

 

[Hoop Head]

ne of the teams that was a potential trade partner was going to use Butler's contract as an expiring contract.

If Memphis was that team, I understand why Butler didn't want to be traded there. However, I disagree how he has handled the matter.

I think that gets complicated. Even if they wanted his expiring, it is a contract for this season so how does someone rationalize that internally. I could see if they'd bench him but Miami is doing that now. Everyone knows what he brings to the table so he'll have suitors in free agency. It may not be what he wanted but that's life.

I wish by worries consisted of wanting two or more $50 million dollar contracts.

Amen to that.

 

[Mainstreet]

I think that gets complicated. Even if they wanted his expiring, it is a contract for this season so how does someone rationalize that internally. I could see if they'd bench him but Miami is doing that now. Everyone knows what he brings to the table so he'll have suitors in free agency. It may not be what he wanted but that's life.

Butler has a player option of $52,413,394 for next season, so the real issue seems to be he wants to be extended for another year or two beyond that for similar type money.

He is not going to be able to get anywhere close to that type of money in free agency.

Amen to that.

We could afford to throw a great party and have generational wealth for that type of money.

Even get some decent healthcare without waiting for insurance approval.

 

[hcsilla]

FWIW.

The Bucks are reportedly interested in trading for Zach LaVine.

Great news, since they can do it directly with the Bulls without including the Suns and Jimmy Butler.