2024-2025 Around the NBA Thread

[Phrazbit]

he sold the team and turned it over to Dumont and Harrison. He hired Harrison so that move is personal with him. He doesn't want to come out and admit that he made mistakes. But that is cuban's tenure in dallas in a nutshell. he's great at building a winner and he is a hard worker, but he makes a lot of mistakes that are ego centric. that's why the mavericks only won a title in the dirk era and wasted one of the greatest clutch shooters in NBA history. That is why the mavericks traded away Luka for a guy that can't even feature in the modern era. it comes down to cuban being great at some things, but being very basic at other things.

Him blowing up that team that literally just won the title is one of the strangest things I've ever seen in sports. None of those guys were washed up, sure it wasn't a young team but all of those guys had a few good years left. I realize what he was doing, he thought he was setting them up for a better outlook in the long term, but good lord... you gotta defend a title.

Also, by biggest... well, only, knock on Jerry Colangelo is that he sold to Robert Sarver, who immediately showed himself to be a penny pincher.

Bad times, Colangelo rushed the sale of the Suns to raise capitol for the D-Backs and then the D-Backs group forced him out anyway... and both both franchises were worse off for losing him.

 

[Ronin]

Ja Morant criticized by Kenny Smith, Charles Barkley for new grenade celebration, but says he'll keep doing it

Ja Morant seems determined to draw more ire from the NBA.

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[Ronin]

76ers announce Joel Embiid had successful knee surgery, will be re-evaluated in 6 weeks

Philadelphia 76ers center Joel Embiid had successful arthroscopic surgery on his left knee earlier this week, the team announced on Friday. He'll be re-evaluated in six weeks.

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[Lorenzo]

Him blowing up that team that literally just won the title is one of the strangest things I've ever seen in sports. None of those guys were washed up, sure it wasn't a young team but all of those guys had a few good years left. I realize what he was doing, he thought he was setting them up for a better outlook in the long term, but good lord... you gotta defend a title.

Also, by biggest... well, only, knock on Jerry Colangelo is that he sold to Robert Sarver, who immediately showed himself to be a penny pincher.

Bad times, Colangelo rushed the sale of the Suns to raise capitol for the D-Backs and then the D-Backs group forced him out anyway... and both both franchises were worse off for losing him.

that is something that doesn't get talked about enough. and for as great as dirk was in 2011 he was really amazing in 2012 (at least in the regular season) in clutch performances. Cuban squandered dirk's prime multiple times if you factor Nash being let go. Cuban was obsessed with chasing other superstar players that never came to dallas, and in the process lost great players on multiple occasions that went on to improve at other locations. I don't think cuban is getting enough critique for his role in squandering Luka Doncic. Cuban is more interested in himself than he is in the mavericks.

 

[Russ Smith]

Jimmy Butler impact stat

Pre Butler the Warriors were 30th in FT attempts, since Butler 5th. And they are 1st in FT's made since they got Butler. adding 1 guy has been huge, he draws so many fouls they get in the bonus now

 

[Phrazbit]

Jimmy Butler impact stat

Pre Butler the Warriors were 30th in FT attempts, since Butler 5th. And they are 1st in FT's made since they got Butler. adding 1 guy has been huge, he draws so many fouls they get in the bonus now

Great... all I needed was more reasons to dislike Durant.

 

[GatorAZ]

that is something that doesn't get talked about enough. and for as great as dirk was in 2011 he was really amazing in 2012 (at least in the regular season) in clutch performances. Cuban squandered dirk's prime multiple times if you factor Nash being let go. Cuban was obsessed with chasing other superstar players that never came to dallas, and in the process lost great players on multiple occasions that went on to improve at other locations. I don't think cuban is getting enough critique for his role in squandering Luka Doncic. Cuban is more interested in himself than he is in the mavericks.

The Mavs never made a finals with Nash. He was getting worked by Mike Bibby in the playoffs.

Dirk was just a late bloomer as far as championship superstars develop.

 

[Hoop Head]

The Mavs never made a finals with Nash. He was getting worked by Mike Bibby in the playoffs.

Dirk was just a late bloomer as far as championship superstars develop.

Dirk and Nash needed to separate to reach their full potential. Dirk doesn't ever ascend to the next level and neither does Nash if they stayed paired up in Dallas.

 

[Yuma]

Jimmy Butler impact stat

Pre Butler the Warriors were 30th in FT attempts, since Butler 5th. And they are 1st in FT's made since they got Butler. adding 1 guy has been huge, he draws so many fouls they get in the bonus now

Plus, the defense not breaking down from his position. AT the Suns game, there was a play where Butler was heading towards the guy in the corner to guard him, and one of the Suns tried to pass around him since Butler's back was turned, and Jimmy snaked his arm out and caught the ball before it went past his back! It was like he taunted the guy into the pass, or has excellent peripheral vision, or both.

 

[Ronin]

Clippers hold off Kings 101-100 to remain tied with Nuggets for No. 4 in tight Western Conference

James Harden had 23 points, 11 rebounds and 10 assists, Kawhi Leonard scored 28 points and the Los Angeles Clippers held off a late flurry in the final two minutes and beat the Sacramento Kings 101-100 on Friday night. Ivica Zubic had 17 points and 10 rebounds to help the Clippers win their...

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[Ronin]

Anthony Edwards facing suspension from Timberwolves' regular-season finale after picking up 18th technical foul

That's some bad timing for the Timberwolves, who still have a lot to play for.

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[Russ Smith]

Plus, the defense not breaking down from his position. AT the Suns game, there was a play where Butler was heading towards the guy in the corner to guard him, and one of the Suns tried to pass around him since Butler's back was turned, and Jimmy snaked his arm out and caught the ball before it went past his back! It was like he taunted the guy into the pass, or has excellent peripheral vision, or both.

Yeah the defense is markedly better both because of Butler and because around the same time they got Payton back and then shortly after Kuminga. Losing Wiggins didn't help the defense Wiggs was a good defender, but as well as he was playing on offense the Butler impact has been huge, he not only shoots more Ft's he makes them. I haven't seen a stat but it seems like Stephs' FT's are up almost entirely because of Butler, they get into the bonus regularly now and then Steph can get to the line on non shooting fouls. If Kuminga starts making his FT's, he's too inconsistent, it will be huge.

 

[GatorAZ]

Dirk and Nash needed to separate to reach their full potential. Dirk doesn't ever ascend to the next level and neither does Nash if they stayed paired up in Dallas.

I think Dirk’s arc is still what it was but Nash needed to break out somewhere where he controlled everything. Aaron Nelson and the Suns alternative style of training at the time was also key for him.

 

[Yuma]

I think Dirk’s arc is still what it was but Nash needed to break out somewhere where he controlled everything. Aaron Nelson and the Suns alternative style of training at the time was also key for him.

It was the system. Nash is a fast processor, and he needed to be in a fast system where he literally could process faster than his defenders. Yes he was great, but also his skills fit perfectly with the system we were running. Perfect mesh.

 

[Ronin]

Eastern Conference playoffs set: Cavaliers, Celtics, Knicks earn top three seeds

Orlando, Atlanta, Chicago and Miami are headed o the play-in.

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[Ronin]

Do you guys/gals want a mega thread for the playoffs? Or single threads for each individual playoff series?

 

[Mainstreet]

JMHO, but I think one thread would suffice.

 

[Yuma]

JMHO, but I think one thread would suffice.

Actually, zero for me. The NBA is dead to me until the next Suns season starts. LOL! I actually would like maybe someone new to run the table. IDK, I have no dog in this fight.

 

[Hoop Head]

Do you guys/gals want a mega thread for the playoffs? Or single threads for each individual playoff series?

Thread for each round?

 

[Ronin]

Thread for each round?

Yes

 

[Lorenzo]

The Mavs never made a finals with Nash. He was getting worked by Mike Bibby in the playoffs.

Dirk was just a late bloomer as far as championship superstars develop.

I think that dirk would have developed the same with nash on the team. He was always hard worker and a clutch shooter. and so was nash. Maybe losing nash motivated him to work even harder, but I still think that they would have had a chance to win multiple titles together if surrounded by the same type of players that dirk had in 2011. I think statistics show that dirk was the most clutch shooter of his era. Even more than Kobe. A lot of people didn’t associate dirk with that until he finally won a title, but he did that his entire career.

 

[Raindog]

JMHO, but I think one thread would suffice.

Yeah, are people here going to be that motivated to follow the playoffs? Personally, I would rather just ignore that they exist until the Suns are relevant again in whatever decade that ends up being.

But maybe that's just me (shrugs shoulders)...

 

[Lorenzo]

Dirk and Nash needed to separate to reach their full potential. Dirk doesn't ever ascend to the next level and neither does Nash if they stayed paired up in Dallas.

yeah I don’t agree. Nash impacted dirk and was sort of like a big brother mentor that dirk needed to be great. If not for nash dirk may have never wanted to stay in the NBA because he had a big culture shock early in his career. Mark Cuban changed the mavs roster constantly in dirk’s tenure. Dirk also out played KG and at times Tim Duncan in the playoffs and those 2 are put ahead of dirk by most people. I think dirk would have been better off having more stability around him and probably could have won more championships if he did. But 21 years with one team is probably his most incredible stat.

 

[Phrazbit]

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ARE YOU KIDDING ME?!?!

The source behind this statement had better be fake because I cannot comprehend the absurdity of this line. In a world full of lunacy and crazy takes, this is one of the most absurd I've ever seen.

Kroenke owned an NFL team, IN MISSOURI and moved it to LA under extreme controversy, meanwhile Porter played THREE TOTAL GAMES games for Mizzou and THAT is an unbreakable bond?

 

[Carolinacacti]

Do you guys/gals want a mega thread for the playoffs? Or single threads for each individual playoff series?

East West ?