2024 Draft Countdown/NFL Prospects thread

[DVontel]

I’m eyeing Byron Murphy out of Texas with Houston’s pick.

I also wonder what’s the chances of trading into the first with our 2nd rounder?

 

[oaken1]

I’m eyeing Byron Murphy out of Texas with Houston’s pick.

I also wonder what’s the chances of trading into the first with our 2nd rounder?

Murph is probably a good bet with that pick. who did you have in mind to trade up for?

 

[DVontel]

Murph is probably a good bet with that pick. who did you have in mind to trade up for?

Probably someone like a Kingsley Suamataia. Though I’m still not sure if we’ll need to trade up for him.

 

[TheCardFan]

Watching some of the recent draft picks with teams (2,3,5 years ago) - shows you how bad this team really is talent wise and how good we could have been with better picks.

If all these guys were even solid, we would have a completely different situation.
Only 2 guys have made it to second contracts with us and Haason got his but for another team.

We also traded the 2022 pick for Hollywood - haven't seen the ROI on that one by a mile either.

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[TheCardFan]

Here is some Marvin Harrison hype (in a good way).

Two great articles that go deep into analysis and comparisons.

What makes Marvin Harrison Jr. so hard to defend? Inside his prosperous route tree

Standout Ohio State wide receiver Marvin Harrison Jr. presents challenges Michigan's defense has not yet seen in 2022.

theathletic.com

Where Does Marvin Harrison Jr. Rank Among Generational Wide Receiver Prospects?

The Ohio State Buckeyes star is lighting up college football—and NFL draft boards. He entered the 2023 season with plenty of hype; he’ll enter the pros with even more.

www.theringer.com

 

[DVontel]

Hot take, but I can see us drafting Safety before CB.

Not sure how much younger we want to get there at CB when we’re already extremely young.

 

[SoonerLou]

I’m eyeing Byron Murphy out of Texas with Houston’s pick.

I also wonder what’s the chances of trading into the first with our 2nd rounder?

Kingsley is going to go before Murphy. We might just get Murphy (if the Cards value him) at the top of the 2nd round.

 

[DVontel]

Kingsley is going to go before Murphy

Wanna avi bet?

Byron will probably be the 2nd DT off the board while Kingsley might not even be top 8. I expect Byron to shoot up the boards even more than he has between now & draft season.

 

[RON_IN_OC]

Hot take, but I can see us drafting Safety before CB.

Not sure how much younger we want to get there at CB when we’re already extremely young.

Wouldn't doubt it at all...I can see CB more of a FA target, than impact draft pick....but maybe safety is a target in the draft, getting ready for Buddas eventual departure.

 

[kerouac9]

Hot take, but I can see us drafting Safety before CB.

Not sure how much younger we want to get there at CB when we’re already extremely young.

Thats pretty spicy. Our Safety corps is young and talented; Rallis seems to like Chachare quite a bit.

Our corner group is fairly young and very bad. You can move everyone but Williams to full-time ST role without huge costs.

 

[SoonerLou]

Wanna avi bet?

Byron will probably be the 2nd DT off the board while Kingsley might not even be top 8. I expect Byron to shoot up the boards even more than he has between now & draft season.

Deal.
Edit: wait for how long?

 

[SoonerLou]

Thats pretty spicy. Our Safety corps is young and talented; Rallis seems to like Chachare quite a bit.

Our corner group is fairly young and very bad. You can move everyone but Williams to full-time ST role without huge costs.

It is interesting because Johnny Venerable says his sources are telling him that management will reevaluate Budda this offseason. Not that they'll try to trade him, but 2024 will pretty much be his last season as a Cardinal. If that.

 

[DVontel]

Deal.
Edit: wait for how long?

First preseason game.

 

[SoonerLou]

First preseason game.

Lets get back to this around combine time. Want to make sure there are no medical red flags first.

 

[Harry]

It is interesting because Johnny Venerable says his sources are telling him that management will reevaluate Budda this offseason. Not that they'll try to trade him, but 2024 will pretty much be his last season as a Cardinal. If that.

At some point they need more of a ballhawk at Safety. I like Baker but the Safety combo is not a good fit.

 

[Chopper0080]

It is interesting because Johnny Venerable says his sources are telling him that management will reevaluate Budda this offseason. Not that they'll try to trade him, but 2024 will pretty much be his last season as a Cardinal. If that.

You lost me at johnny V and sources.

 

[Chopper0080]

At some point they need more of a ballhawk at Safety. I like Baker but the Safety combo is not a good fit.

Jalen Thompson is tied for 7th in the NFL in interceptions.

 

[SoonerLou]

You lost me at johnny V and sources.

Johnny V may be kinda goofy with his own opinions, but he's actually improved upon his track record since joining PHNX.

 

[slanidrac16]

At some point they need more of a ballhawk at Safety. I like Baker but the Safety combo is not a good fit.

Baker has the culture that MO and JG desire. How much ? We’ll see.

 

[GatorAZ]

Johnny V may be kinda goofy with his own opinions, but he's actually improved upon his track record since joining PHNX.

His “sources” are reporting common sense. Everyone pretty much knows where the Budda situation is at and that it could go either way.

 

[slanidrac16]

For all those lobbying for OT. I have a serious question. If PJJ and Alt were to blossom into all -pros, would it create a problem to fit two all pro tackles into your cap situation?

 

[oaken1]

For all those lobbying for OT. I have a serious question. If PJJ and Alt were to blossom into all -pros, would it create a problem to fit two all pro tackles into your cap situation?

Fitting all pros into your cap is a problem regardless of their position with those two specific guys you get past it by front loading the first guy signed...say, PJ...and if he plays well sign him early ..then make the LT play out his contract and sign him after five years.or five years and a tag.

The issue is the same with Harrison too...the timing is the issue

 

[Chopper0080]

For all those lobbying for OT. I have a serious question. If PJJ and Alt were to blossom into all -pros, would it create a problem to fit two all pro tackles into your cap situation?

Not really. It is not so different than having two all pros at any two important positions. Just have to get cost savings at other positions.

 

[kerouac9]

Not really. It is not so different than having two all pros at any two important positions. Just have to get cost savings at other positions.

Yeah. I totally disagree with this. I think that paying two top-five contracts on the same offensive line or any position unit is an inefficient use of resources.

The reality is that you get three max contracts on offense and defense, maybe seven max contracts total (for a little while). Concentrating those resources at QB and both OT positions really stresses the ability of a front office to keep drafting strong role players across the rest of the offense.

I always think about how the Colts built their roster around Peyton Manning's max contract -- Marvin Harrison and then Reggie Wayne plus Tarik Glenn and then Jeff Saturday. Then they had to really save money on off-ball linebacker and cornerback (usually solving with scheme).

 

[FB94]

For all those lobbying for OT. I have a serious question. If PJJ and Alt were to blossom into all -pros, would it create a problem to fit two all pro tackles into your cap situation?

Not sure the Cardinals know what that’s like. Would like to be in that position.