2024 Draft Countdown/NFL Prospects thread

[Stout]

Transformed them to what, exactly?

To a team that could compete with Levi frickin' Brown on the OL and a monstrous carousel of QBs.

 

[kerouac9]

To a team that could compete with Levi frickin' Brown on the OL and a monstrous carousel of QBs.

Wait—when did they compete without Carson Palmer and Kurt Warner at QB?

 

[oaken1]

Wait—when did they compete without Carson Palmer and Kurt Warner at QB?

right? The only thing Larry gave us was someone to root for and flashes of greatness amongst years of meh...
and the knowledge of exactly where the ball was gonna go on third and nine.

 

[Crimson Warrior]

Transformed them to what, exactly?

to within two minutes of a Superbowl championship.

 

[kerouac9]

right? The only thing Larry gave us was someone to root for and flashes of greatness amongst years of meh...
and the knowledge of exactly where the ball was gonna go on third and nine.

Joe Thomas was a higher-level player at a more valuable position.

I appreciate Larry’s time here and he’s the main Cardinal most people will remember, but if anything he highlights that a great WR chosen with a high pick is still a dependent position if the franchise is going to go anywhere.

 

[oaken1]

Joe Thomas was a higher-level player at a more valuable position.

I appreciate Larry’s time here and he’s the main Cardinal most people will remember, but if anything he highlights that a great WR chosen with a high pick is still a dependent position if the franchise is going to go anywhere.

because he cant even elevate a poor QB if that QB does not have time to make the pass. though we did see lots of chuck it up to Larry and pray as our QB went down, lol

 

[Chopper0080]

Joe Thomas was a higher-level player at a more valuable position.

I appreciate Larry’s time here and he’s the main Cardinal most people will remember, but if anything he highlights that a great WR chosen with a high pick is still a dependent position if the franchise is going to go anywhere.

Yes and no. It seems like an offensive line can only get you so far. I get an argument that starts with, upgrading Humphries with Fashanu is not as impactful as upgrading Brown with MHJ. And we all pretty much agree that it isn't cost effective to use a 1st round pick on an interior OL player.

 

[kerouac9]

I get an argument that starts with, upgrading Humphries with Fashanu is not as impactful as upgrading Brown with MHJ

I get that argument also, but while drafting Fash forecloses the possibility of MHJ, there are a handful of better-than-Hollywood WRs in every draft and we could potentially get such a player with one of our other picks.

I don’t understand falling in love with individual prospects in general tho.

 

[oaken1]

I get that argument also, but while drafting Fash forecloses the possibility of MHJ, there are a handful of better-than-Hollywood WRs in every draft and we could potentially get such a player with one of our other picks.

I don’t understand falling in love with individual prospects in general tho.

and drafting MHJ likely moves us away from getting an elite OT,...while grabbing Fash or Alt, still leaves us in position to get an elite WR prospect with either the Texans pick or pick 34.

Unless Amarius Mims is still available at the Texans pick

 

[DVontel]

Yes and no. It seems like an offensive line can only get you so far. I get an argument that starts with, upgrading Humphries with Fashanu is not as impactful as upgrading Brown with MHJ. And we all pretty much agree that it isn't cost effective to use a 1st round pick on an interior OL player.

I get that argument also, but while drafting Fash forecloses the possibility of MHJ, there are a handful of better-than-Hollywood WRs in every draft and we could potentially get such a player with one of our other picks.

I don’t understand falling in love with individual prospects in general tho.

This is what is tough.

On one hand, you need multiple high level weapons to consistently succeed in the league. That X-Factor with another very good weapon beside him to transform that offense. Even if MHJR isn’t there, I believe Nabers fits this bill as well.

On the other hand, I love the thought of having a dominant OLine. I love the thought of a Nick Bosa or TJ Watt making little to no impact because they’re getting locked down on both sides at EDGE. When you’re in the playoffs, you know you’re going against multiple great/elite EDGE players. Love the thought of a OLine just taking over the game.

It’s so tough. Glad I’m not the one making that decision.

 

[football karma]

i love Fitz, but in the 2004 draft, the right pick should have been either Philip Rivers or Ben Roethlisberger (probably Rivers-- Big Ben and Old Town would have been a really bad mix)

but other than the two QBs -- Fitz was the best player left --

 

[RON_IN_OC]

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[oaken1]

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well,... there is our trade.

 

[Minski]

well,... there is our trade.

What we need is for Giants to suck enough to get the 3rd pick behind us at 2. So we can get another pick out of them and still take MHJ

 

[Cheesebeef]

What we need is for Giants to suck enough to get the 3rd pick behind us at 2. So we can get another pick out of them and still take MHJ

Yup. Pull off the 1998 draft redux where we moved from 2 to 3 and picked up a number 1 for the next season and more.

 

[SoonerLou]

This is what is tough.

On one hand, you need multiple high level weapons to consistently succeed in the league. That X-Factor with another very good weapon beside him to transform that offense. Even if MHJR isn’t there, I believe Nabers fits this bill as well.

On the other hand, I love the thought of having a dominant OLine. I love the thought of a Nick Bosa or TJ Watt making little to no impact because they’re getting locked down on both sides at EDGE. When you’re in the playoffs, you know you’re going against multiple great/elite EDGE players. Love the thought of a OLine just taking over the game.

It’s so tough. Glad I’m not the one making that decision.

So lets say you cant get MHJ. You end up drafting OLU at 5 (some QB will emerge and be overdrafted)

Would you trade up from the 20s to get to the early teens and draft Nabers?

I know we gotta lot of holes on the roster, but I'd move up to get two prime picks.

I guess I'd have to check to see what exactly did the Lions give up to get Jameson Williams.
Edit: Eh..

 

[DVontel]

Would you trade up from the 20s to get to the early teens and draft Nabers?

Yup.

 

[Cheesebeef]

Yup.

Same.

 

[daves]

I appreciate Larry’s time here and he’s the main Cardinal most people will remember, but if anything he highlights that a great WR chosen with a high pick is still a dependent position if the franchise is going to go anywhere.

Indeed... a superstar WR may put up stats, but won't help a team to a Super Bowl trophy without a franchise QB and other supporting pieces.

But, the entire supposition behind taking MHJ is that the team is convinced that Murray is a franchise QB. If he's not, then the team won't be taking a WR or OL, they'll be taking a QB.

So now assuming Murray is the guy we all want him to be... taking MHJ and filling in the OL and D pieces later in the draft and via FA may be a viable strategy, no?

 

[Cbus cardsfan]

Why are people overthinking this?
Harrison is the best player in the draft. If you can take him, you take him.

The only way you don’t is if you get a blown away multi first round trade offer you can’t refuse.

Fashanu might not even be better than Alt. There’s no one in Harrison’s class at WR. Taking Fashanu over Harrison is taking Levi over AP part 2.

 

[TheCardFan]

So lets say you cant get MHJ. You end up drafting OLU at 5 (some QB will emerge and be overdrafted)

Would you trade up from the 20s to get to the early teens and draft Nabers?

For scenario below - let's say it would be too expensive to trade back up to get Nabers.

If we want to play around with the WR and OL combo in round 1.

Which scenario would you prefer at this point?

A) Take MHJ and either Mims, Latham, or Fuaga

B) Trade down a few spots (get 2025 #1 pick) take Olu or Alt and then take Franklin or Egbuka

C) Trade down a few spots (get 2025 #1 pick) take Nabers and either Mims, Latham, or Fuaga

 

[Stout]

Wait—when did they compete without Carson Palmer and Kurt Warner at QB?

Ah, moving the goal posts, I see. You want to support the QB by building the trenches and eschewing a top WR, but then circle back and change the QB. Not the discussion we were having.

 

[Stout]

Indeed... a superstar WR may put up stats, but won't help a team to a Super Bowl trophy without a franchise QB and other supporting pieces.

But, the entire supposition behind taking MHJ is that the team is convinced that Murray is a franchise QB. If he's not, then the team won't be taking a WR or OL, they'll be taking a QB.

So now assuming Murray is the guy we all want him to be... taking MHJ and filling in the OL and D pieces later in the draft and via FA may be a viable strategy, no?

Exactly. Thank you for nailing his attempt to move the goal posts.

 

[TheCardFan]

Trading down one spot with NE and then up to #10 with Giants.

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[BullheadCardFan]

First-round prospect Jer'Zhan Newton will enter draft, play Saturday but skip bowl game

Illinois defensive tackle Jer'Zhan Newton has confirmed he will enter the 2024 NFL draft, where he is expected to be a first-round pick.

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