2024 Draft Countdown/NFL Prospects thread

[Chopper0080]

He has really weird mechanics I used to think it was being lefty but not sure. he'll throw the ball facing sideways and then turn his whole head and body away from the throw? I don't know if it's to protect himself from getting hit or what it's just really weird. He's had 2 ACL surgeries already too

Agree

 

[Chopper0080]

Let's package our two 2024 firsts and our 2025 first to move up to #1 to get Maye.

This sounds smart. Let's do it.

 

[Chopper0080]

The talk on Pac 12 boards is that Caleb is bored with college and wants to be in the NFL but he's got a dilemma in that as his had already said, he doesn't want to get drafted by just anybody, he has a list of teams.

So he's trying to control his draft position, at least his dad says so, by claiming he will come back to college and get another big NIL. so he's got this weird situation where the whole argument of I can just stay in school seems bogus if he's really tired of college.

First few weeks he was better than ever, but against weak defenses. Last few weeks very mediocre.

I still love the talent but as I've always said with him there are things you're going to have to coach out of him, the tendency to hold the ball really low in the pocket so he's not ready to throw, the backfoot throws, throws into coverage too much.

You could see in the first Q yesterday he was just not going to play well. Not just the first pick the RPO's, he kept handing the ball off when he needed to keep it, even the announcers finally commented on it he's deciding before the snap you can't do that with an RPO

All of the red flags in this. The sense of entitlement is glaring.

 

[Crimson Warrior]

To add to it the big difference for Caleb this year is the sacks, the 3 INT's last night were terrible but that's now 4 on the season, it's not like last night was typical of him turning the ball over he was leading the country in TD to turnover ratio by a QB until last night.

Last year 500 passing attempts, 30 sacks, 5 INT's.

This year 203 passing attempts 17 sacks, the sack rate is up close to 50%. Some of it is him holding the ball too long trying to make a play but much of it is their OL is just not as good this year. THey were projected to be a great OL but 3 of the 5 are new, transfers from other programs and 3 of the 5 OL's changed positions this year from where they played last season(at USC or another school). ND blitzed them heavily and the OL didn't hold up, and Caleb didn't read the blitzes.

If we're being fair to Williams Russ, he's better than he showed last night.

But I honestly don't think he's as good as prospect as Tua or Murray (or stinky Joe Burrow).

To me Williams' ceiling is just a little higher than Hurts. He's Hurts with a little better arm.

 

[Russ Smith]

If we're being fair to Williams Russ, he's better than he showed last night.

But I honestly don't think he's as good as prospect as Tua or Murray (or stinky Joe Burrow).

To me Williams' ceiling is just a little higher than Hurts. He's Hurts with a little better arm.

I like him more than that I think he's got a great arm and he's a very good runner who doesn't seem to get hit that much he has a knack for avoiding the hits when running.

I just don't like his mechanics and if he's still got them now in college I'm not sure how coachable he is? He loves to hold the ball in one hand, really low, while moving around in the pocket. Everyone makes fun of Tedford but holding the ball up high in throwing position allows you to get rid of the ball so much quicker.

I think Caleb will be a great NFL QB but how great will depend on how coachable he is. He just never got into it last night from early on he was botching the RPO's repeatedly handing the ball to a RB when he should have kept it.

UCLA has a freshman QB named Dante Moore who was the #1 rated QB, he's been doing the same thing all year, decides before the snap he's going to hand it off, never keeps it. Teams are just daring him to do it now. Caleb is way better than Moore but same thing, if you aren't going to actually read the play why run an RPO?

 

[Crimson Warrior]

I did a quick search last night, but I couldn't find where Murray has ever had 3 Ints in a game in college or the pros, let alone 3 in a half.

Even the Rams playoff debacle was 2 Ints.

Lemme know if I missed anything.

On the road against Texas Tech Murray threw two quick Ints and OU was in an early 0-14 hole against the Red Raiders.

Murray was great the rest of the way though and led a clutch Q4 drive to provide the winning margin. That was a crazy, crazy season. Riley's defense couldn't stop a nose bleed that year. Every game was a shoot out.

 

[Syracusecards]

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thanks……. thanks a lot…..lol

 

[DVontel]

I love Maye, but it would be gross negligence to draft him or Caleb. We are so talent deficient in so many key areas that even if they were very good off the bat, we still wouldn’t be real contenders & instead just be smoke & mirrors.

 

[Chopper0080]

I love Maye, but it would be gross negligence to draft him or Caleb. We are so talent deficient in so many key areas that even if they were very good off the bat, we still wouldn’t be real contenders & instead just be smoke & mirrors.

Disagree. Talent isn't that bad on offense. Defense...yeah. Can't pass on a potential franchise QB. And Maye at least has some experience winning with equal or less talent around him.

 

[DVontel]

Disagree. Talent isn't that bad on offense. Defense...yeah. Can't pass on a potential franchise QB. And Maye at least has some experience winning with equal or less talent around him.

We’ll just be the Andrew Luck-Colts.

Yea, I know playoff trips sounds fun to people, but I want to be actual Super Bowl contenders. Those Andrew Luck-Colts teams were never that because Luck was carrying smoke & mirrors.

 

[oaken1]

Disagree. Talent isn't that bad on offense. Defense...yeah. Can't pass on a potential franchise QB. And Maye at least has some experience winning with equal or less talent around him.

Agree. We could use a few pieces on offense but overall they all belong...
Defense is rough. We need legit players at every level

 

[oaken1]

We’ll just be the Andrew Luck-Colts.

Yea, I know playoff trips sounds fun to people, but I want to be actual Super Bowl contenders. Those Andrew Luck-Colts teams were never that because Luck was carrying smoke & mirrors.

It all hinges on kyler.
Just sad that five years in and we still don't know if he is the guy....and if he is we wasted five years.

 

[juza76]

Let's hope Garrett williams is a iegit nfl cb
If is the case, We still need one, Keitrel can play the nickle
We need two very good defensive linemen, one in free agency and one in the draft
At olb we can rotate the players we have
We need a LG, and a tackle to fight with Humphries for the starting role, if he win then u trade Humphries
We need a very effective rb, with acceleration and speed

 

[Chopper0080]

We’ll just be the Andrew Luck-Colts.

Yea, I know playoff trips sounds fun to people, but I want to be actual Super Bowl contenders. Those Andrew Luck-Colts teams were never that because Luck was carrying smoke & mirrors.

Maybe. The Colts also had a terrible GM and bad HC. We hope to not have that. If I look at supporting a young QB, I don't feel the offense is Colts level, especially up front. I agree that you can't get it all in one year, but you also can't pass up a top QB. Probably means you need to re-sign Brown and hold onto Conner. I think Petzing can get us running the ball which would help. Defense just needs better players to be average. It's not a terrible FA year from defensive front players.

 

[Chopper0080]

Right now, we are 4 and 12. So Maye isn't really an option. Olu and Newton probably the best options. Draft not looking as great for AZ. WR/OL probably most prevalent positions with round 1 value. I am meh'ing on the EDGE class right now. DL is a need but class is kinda rough.

Love Maason Smith's talent, but not sure about the dude. Thoughts on him @DVontel

 

[DVontel]

Love Maason Smith's talent, but not sure about the dude. Thoughts on him @DVontel

Living on HS hype.

 

[DVontel]

Right now, we are 4 and 12. So Maye isn't really an option. Olu and Newton probably the best options. Draft not looking as great for AZ. WR/OL probably most prevalent positions with round 1 value. I am meh'ing on the EDGE class right now. DL is a need but class is kinda rough.

Love Maason Smith's talent, but not sure about the dude. Thoughts on him @DVontel

And I also think Dallas Turner is really good & would’ve been the best defensive player in the 2023 class after Anderson & Carter.

 

[Chopper0080]

And I also think Dallas Turner is really good & would’ve been the best defensive player in the 2023 class after Anderson & Carter.

I also like Turner but don't see him available at 12(ish) and I don't think I would pass on Olu for him. Some of that is because I think Olu is a special player. Maybe I will see more Parsons in Turner as I get more games, but I don't yet.

 

[Chopper0080]

Top 10 for me is like Caleb, Drake, Olu, Alt, MHJ, Dallas Turner, Alt, and ???

Bowers?
Nabers?
Newton?
Egbuka?
McKinstry?
Latham?
Verse?

A lot more WRs and CBs in round 1 than I would prefer.

 

[TheCardFan]

Top 10 for me is like Caleb, Drake, Olu, Alt, MHJ, Dallas Turner, Alt, and ???

Bowers?
Nabers?
Newton?
Egbuka?
McKinstry?
Latham?
Verse?

A lot more WRs and CBs in round 1 than I would prefer.

You have Alt twice but agree.

I would take off Latham and Verse (what is going on with him)?

WR is so stacked.

 

[Chopper0080]

You have Alt twice but agree.

I would take off Latham and Verse (what is going on with him)?

WR is so stacked.

Verse reminds me a bit of the Basham's when they were in college. DEs who were productive in college but maybe not special players.

Agree on the WRs. So many good ones. Top of the second could land one as well.

 

[ajcardfan]

Taking Bowers in the top 10 would be nuts. JMHO.

 

[Chopper0080]

Taking Bowers in the top 10 would be nuts. JMHO.

Pitts went top 10. I didn't make that list for AZ as much as just an initial idea of who is likely to go top 10.

 

[TheCardFan]

Tankathon 100% believes we should be taking Bowers - seems to be mocked to us no matter where we pick.

We are now setting at #4 and #12 with #35 in round 2.

Olu and Latu would be solid with Troy Franklin at #35.

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[Lomax to Green 84]

I watch most Illinois games. JerZhan Newton constantly get’s double and even triple teamed and still makes plays. On those rare occasions he get’s a one on one, he destroys that lineman. Constant motor with great explosiveness. Don’t look at just the stats with him. Teams know he is the only game wrecker on Illinois and they game plan accordingly. I think he may go top 5 assuming he stays healthy. When I watch Newton, I see a stronger Darnell Dockett.