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I've texted numerous players to my scout friend and all I would ask is are they worth the 24th pick. The players I've asked are guys who I think have a legit shot to be there. Guys like DGB, Eli Harold, Gurley, Erving, Dupree, UCLA LB's(both of them), McKinney, Thompson, and there's a couple more I can't remember right now. I didn't ask about Melvin Gordon because I don't want him.

The only 2 he has said yes to so far are Gurley and Erving with Harold maybe sneaking in there. For some reason he's not a big fan of Dupree. TFWIW, as it's only 1 guy's opinion, but it is an informed/inside opinion and he has been wrong before.

This tells me the Cards, to get a player at a position of need, should trade up for an impact pass rusher, sit still and hope Erving is there, or trade back for a lower rated guy, like Harold, and accumulate so picks in the process.

So, my prediction is either the Cards will either trade up, stand pat, or trade back :D :D :D.
 

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erving just in this site is considered a top 30pick,outside of it ,saw several sites putting with a second round grade.
harold is the player i prefer,with dwash back and pairing him with weatherspooon we have the mest ILB corp in the nfl
in the 2nd i would also possibly target a wr,next yeat is last year of floyd rookie contratc and will be last year of contract for both fitz and jaron brown
this wr rookie class is deep
 

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I've texted numerous players to my scout friend and all I would ask is are they worth the 24th pick. The players I've asked are guys who I think have a legit shot to be there. Guys like DGB, Eli Harold, Gurley, Erving, Dupree, UCLA LB's(both of them), McKinney, Thompson, and there's a couple more I can't remember right now. I didn't ask about Melvin Gordon because I don't want him.

The only 2 he has said yes to so far are Gurley and Erving with Harold maybe sneaking in there. For some reason he's not a big fan of Dupree. TFWIW, as it's only 1 guy's opinion, but it is an informed/inside opinion and he has been wrong before.

This tells me the Cards, to get a player at a position of need, should trade up for an impact pass rusher, sit still and hope Erving is there, or trade back for a lower rated guy, like Harold, and accumulate so picks in the process.

So, my prediction is either the Cards will either trade up, stand pat, or trade back :D :D :D.

I'd like to know his opinion on Melvin Gordon. Just because you don't like him doesn't mean he might not be highly regarding by those in the business. Wouldn't you like to have an unbiased "informed/inside opinion" about all the possible players that might be available?
 

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This is where I fall on #24

RB
Todd Gurley

OL
Cameron Erving

OLB
Dante Fowler
Vic Beasley
Shane Ray
Alvin Dupree
Eli Harold
Owa Odighizuwa
Preston Smith

ILB
Shaq Thompson
Eric Kendricks

CB
Marcus Peters

Kendricks, Peters, Owa, Smith and Harold are all probably trade down options, but I could stomach them at #24.
 

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This is where I fall on #24

RB
Todd Gurley

OL
Cameron Erving

OLB
Dante Fowler
Vic Beasley
Shane Ray
Alvin Dupree
Eli Harold
Owa Odighizuwa
Preston Smith

ILB
Shaq Thompson
Eric Kendricks

CB
Marcus Peters

Kendricks, Peters, Owa, Smith and Harold are all probably trade down options, but I could stomach them at #24.

I get the feeling that this guy might be our pick. He seems to fit what we look for in OLB. If he's good medically he would be a great pick. Let's get "Diggy" wid it.

From Fox Sports on his pro day:
DE Owamagbe Odighizuwa: He's turned heads since the combine. The 6-foot-3, 267-pound Odighizuwa wanted to erase the questions about his versatility and athleticism with a good pro day. He participated in drills at both defensive end and standup outside linebacker and he's got himself a considerable buzz as the draft approaches.
"Owa goes to the combine and jumps out in the gym, he ran a great 40 and he's very athletic," Mora said. "Today, teams really got a chance to see him work in space a little bit. You put him on a sled and you can really feel the power, he's got heavy hands. I think people are really starting to appreciate him."
 
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This is where I fall on #24

RB
Todd Gurley

OL
Cameron Erving

OLB
Dante Fowler
Vic Beasley
Shane Ray
Alvin Dupree
Eli Harold
Owa Odighizuwa
Preston Smith

ILB
Shaq Thompson
Eric Kendricks

CB
Marcus Peters

Kendricks, Peters, Owa, Smith and Harold are all probably trade down options, but I could stomach them at #24.
I pretty much agree with all of them. I don't know why, but when it comes to the Cards 1st round pick, Kendricks and Thompson are doing nothing for me.
 

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I pretty much agree with all of them. I don't know why, but when it comes to the Cards 1st round pick, Kendricks and Thompson are doing nothing for me.

I think there are many who would agree. I just believe there isn't a big gap between either of them and Daryl Washington. I also believe that the ability to rush up the middle will do more vs QBs than edge pressure. I would rather have that athleticism in the middle of the field. T

I am a big believer of Shaq Thompson, but that is because I view him as a similar player to Tyrann Mathieu. Both are hybrid players, but are extremely versatile and make game changing plays.
 

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I get the feeling that this guy might be our pick. He seems to fit what we look for in OLB. If he's good medically he would be a great pick. Let's get "Diggy" wid it.

From Fox Sports on his pro day:
DE Owamagbe Odighizuwa: He's turned heads since the combine. The 6-foot-3, 267-pound Odighizuwa wanted to erase the questions about his versatility and athleticism with a good pro day. He participated in drills at both defensive end and standup outside linebacker and he's got himself a considerable buzz as the draft approaches.
"Owa goes to the combine and jumps out in the gym, he ran a great 40 and he's very athletic," Mora said. "Today, teams really got a chance to see him work in space a little bit. You put him on a sled and you can really feel the power, he's got heavy hands. I think people are really starting to appreciate him."

The heavy hands is what I like about both Odig and Preston Smith. I think I read somewhere that Harold has heavy hands as well which is key for an edge guy in a 3-4.
 

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As much as I love Shaq Thompson I don't think he plays ILB in the nfl. I think he plays SS. And is an absolute beast at that position.
 

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The heavy hands is what I like about both Odig and Preston Smith. I think I read somewhere that Harold has heavy hands as well which is key for an edge guy in a 3-4.

I like Harold too and won't be upset if he's the pick. I like the speed but he looks thin.
 

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I think there are many who would agree. I just believe there isn't a big gap between either of them and Daryl Washington. I also believe that the ability to rush up the middle will do more vs QBs than edge pressure. I would rather have that athleticism in the middle of the field. T

I am a big believer of Shaq Thompson, but that is because I view him as a similar player to Tyrann Mathieu. Both are hybrid players, but are extremely versatile and make game changing plays.

Or like Deone Bucannon where he would play SS in base and move up to LB in nickel and dime.
 

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I was listening to Daniel Jeremiah on one of the local stations--

he said something i found interesting:

after the first 10-12 players where there is consensus, the 13th rated player on one team's board might be the 53rd rated player on another --- and vice/versa. He noted there is a group of 40 players or so where rankings are purely dependent on individual team's preferences/ systems/ style.

He noted that typically there are more 10-15 player tiers --- this year there is a giant 2nd group and he thinks it might result on lots of movement / some surprising picks
 

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I've texted numerous players to my scout friend and all I would ask is are they worth the 24th pick. The players I've asked are guys who I think have a legit shot to be there. Guys like DGB, Eli Harold, Gurley, Erving, Dupree, UCLA LB's(both of them), McKinney, Thompson, and there's a couple more I can't remember right now. I didn't ask about Melvin Gordon because I don't want him.

The only 2 he has said yes to so far are Gurley and Erving with Harold maybe sneaking in there. For some reason he's not a big fan of Dupree. TFWIW, as it's only 1 guy's opinion, but it is an informed/inside opinion and he has been wrong before.

This tells me the Cards, to get a player at a position of need, should trade up for an impact pass rusher, sit still and hope Erving is there, or trade back for a lower rated guy, like Harold, and accumulate so picks in the process.

So, my prediction is either the Cards will either trade up, stand pat, or trade back :D :D :D.

Or somewhere north, east, west or south of there. :D
 

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im thinking our top pick will either be an offensive player or a defensive player.
 

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The players that I think the Cardinals are intrigued with at #24:

QB Brett Hundley, UCLA---the Cardinals brought him in for a reason and this is he has unquestionable talent. I went back this weekend and watched more tape of him this past season---did you know Hundley threw at nearly a 70% completion rate? I watched the Texas game at Texas (AT&T Stadium, Arlington) where Hundley sprained his left elbow and had to sit out---but before that he was on the money on all 10 of his throws and had two huge plays called back for penalties, a long pass play and a 35 yard, electrifying scramble. The fact is, his protection this past year was well below par and sure sometimes he bolted the pocket a tad sooner than one would like, but in the Texas game and the USC game, for example, he hung in the pocket and delivered passes right in stride to his receivers. I think he is a much more accurate passer than Colin Kaepernick and is very much on a par with Russell Wilson in terms of accuracy and ability to throw on the run. This may be a moot point because if the Eagles don't move up to take Mariota, I think Hundley is their option 1A.

RB Melvin Gordon, Wisconsin---I read somewhere that not only did the Cardinals bring Gordon in for a visit, they consider him a better fit in their offense than Todd Gurley because of the way Gordon runs behind his blocks and the way he can bust the home run any time he touches the ball, either by hand off or throw.

RB Todd Gurley, Georgia---He's so supremely talented that he is going to be hard for any team to pass up. Seriously, if he weren't coming off an ACL, the Jags would be crazy to pass him up at #3. Even the Raiders at #4. It won't happen but those teams may wind up regretting not taking Gurley the way the Cardinals have in passing on Adrian Peterson.

C Cameron Erving, Florida St.---Everyone seems to have Erving going to the Chiefs at #18, which makes perfect sense. However, should the Chiefs go in a different direction and Erving makes it to #24, he becomes an instant part of the discussion because of how dominant the Cardinals' line could become with the addition of such a big, strong, athletic and naturally gifted center. Put it this way too---the worry about Iupati is not straight up pass blocking, it is being quick enough to block the A gap on stunts and blitzes. With Erving next to Iupati, the Cardinals have the perfect help scenario built in.

WR Breshad Perriman, Central Florida---Any time a WR at 6-2, 220 runs a 4.2-4.3 40, the Cardinals have to be intrigued because of their style of offense. Perriman could be an even faster version of Brandon Marshall.

WR Phillip Dorsett, Miami---Again, we are talking about blazing speed (4.2) and some gifted hands to boot in what has become a need area regarding the return game. Do the Cardinals already have their version of Dorsett in John Brown? I say no, because Dorsett is bigger and far more polished. He averaged 24.2 yards per catch last season with 871 yards and 10 TDs.

WR Devin Smith, Ohio St.---Best deep threat in the draft for an offense that thrives on throwing the ball deep, but lacks the combination speed/ ball tracking to cash in. He averaged 28.2 yards per catch last season playing for 3 different QBs for 931 yards and 13 TDs.

NT Malcom Brown, Texas---Has the thickness, the strength, the feet and closing ability to be one heckuva force in the miiddle.

NT Danny Shelton, Washington---This kid is a dancing bear. At his size to have the kind of agility and bounce that he does is remarkable. NTs tend to slide some in drafts, so who knows?

DE Michael Bennett, Ohio St.----I would take him over Arik Armstead any day because Bennett is a legitimate penetrator and pass rushing force who isn't as easily blocked.

OLB Eli Harold, Virginia---Has the length, strong hands and edge speed the Cardinals are looking for.

OLB Bud Dupree---Can thump on the edge and close in quickly on the QB.

OLB Randy Gregory, Nebraska---Angular and disruptive force off the edge who should be a top 15 pick, but may slide due to positive testing for MJ.

CB Byron Jones, Connecticut---Possesses rare physical traits and plays the game tenaciously.

CB P.J. Williams, Florida St.---Big physical CB who brings aggressiveness and toughness. His DUI is a red flag, but not necessarily a deal breaker if the FO is satisfied that this won't be an issue moving forward. Plus, at his size they can use him on TEs when necessary, as they did with Cromartie.

CB Quinten Rollins, Miami (Ohio)---A wild card this early---but his tape is so good and the way he confirmed his talent at the Senior Bowl as a textbook technique cover CB who jumps routes like Aeneas Williams.

Not So Sure But Maybe?:

WR Dorial Green-Beckham, Oklahoma---Has the talent for sure. Can the red flags be overlooked?

WR Jaelen Strong, Arizona St.---Impressive gamer who battles for everything he gets on the field and has very impressive physical talents.

WR Sammie Coates, Auburn---Every time I saw him play he had an uncanny way of getting open deep and making clutch plays.

DT Jordan Phillips, Oklahoma---Huge physical specimen who makes a bunch of plays because of his active hands, strength and feet.

DE Arik Armstead, Oregon---Some compare him to Calais Campbell, but I would say he's more like Chris Canty. Still---nice length and athleticism.

LB Shaq Thompson, Washington---Whatever team that drafts him will have to find a niche for him---and if it is the Cardinals, it could mean a greater commitment to their hybrid three safeties scheme.

LB Erik Kendricks, UCLA---Active and smart. Good leader. On the smallish side but then again so are some of the best LBers in the NFL.

OLB Owamagbe Odighiwuza, UCLA---Physical dynamo when healthy.

CB Kevin Johnson, Wake Forest---Cagy and smooth. Has all the skills.

CB Jalen Collins, LSU---Has the size and athleticism, but has flaws in his technique.

Note: I left the tackle and guard spots out because I just don't see the Cardinals using the #24 pick on one this year.
 

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They're doing a mock draft on a NYG site and they have the Cards taking Bud Dupree in the 1st and Byron Jones in the 2nd
 

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Danial Jerrimiah and another guy ( Conway?) said the other night on

path to the draft that Harold is going in the first round. If we try to trade

down to land him the Colts could scoop him up. They had Orchard going first

pick in the second round.
 

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As much as I love Shaq Thompson I don't think he plays ILB in the nfl. I think he plays SS. And is an absolute beast at that position.

Daryl Washington was 2 lbs heavier at the combine, and was 2 inches taller. Thompson's ability to play ILB just depends on what you want you LBs to do.
 

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Daryl Washington was 2 lbs heavier at the combine, and was 2 inches taller. Thompson's ability to play ILB just depends on what you want you LBs to do.

wise words chopper
he can put 7lb more of muscle and playing at 235 without losing speed
our ilb's need to be quick,playing fast,has literally speed, drop back easily in coverage
 
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I'd like to know his opinion on Melvin Gordon. Just because you don't like him doesn't mean he might not be highly regarding by those in the business. Wouldn't you like to have an unbiased "informed/inside opinion" about all the possible players that might be available?
He likes Gordon. When talking to him during the college football season I thought he preferred Tevin Coleman to Gordon. But, I texted him last night and he said Gordon is very good and better than Coleman. Gurley is still #1 though.
 

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I aint no scout, but Cards are starting to sound like me after a decade. I still have Hill and Hyde graded higher than any RB in this draft, and they were available when we to took John Brown in the 3rd.

Gurly would be close to even grade if he wasn't hurt! He's hurt don't trust him in the 1st rd! Gurly and Gorden are 6"1' and much lighter than both Hill and Hyde at under 6'. I know what I know, Ive seen what Ive seen.

Keim boo booed last year by passing on the 2 top RBs and not waiting on John Brown that late. Ellington did not hold up as a cow bell and needs to play the role he is perfect at.

I hate being right this often Hill had a 1000 yards and Hyde replaces gore for our rivals, stupid move on Keims part, whether we got John Brown or not.
 
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