3-4-1 headed for 3-5-1 - time to trade PP21?
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Rohinaz
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Hes played 2 games and had a major positive impact in both. You dont trade a HOF cb in his prime. When alford gets back we will finally have real depth at cb.
He wants to be here, he wants to be extended and we should extend him. Hey, remember when we refused to match the offer the jags made for Calais? How did that work out? Peterson has made the whole defense better. We need more pieces and will get them this off season.
Every time we lose a game there 2 or 3 people on the board who keep making trade peterson threads. It's getting old.
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He wants to be here, he wants to be extended and we should extend him. Hey, remember when we refused to match the offer the jags made for Calais? How did that work out? Peterson has made the whole defense better. We need more pieces and will get them this off season.
Every time we lose a game there 2 or 3 people on the board who keep making trade peterson threads. It's getting old.
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I’m not trading nor extending him. I don’t want to nuke Kliff’s first season trading good players when the season is at the brink. I also don’t think PP would fetch anything significant enough to pull the trigger anyway.
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We didn’t show it on Sunday but we are T9 in the league in sacks. We get pressure we just can’t cover or stop the run.
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that’s an inflated stat because of getting 8 sacks against NY last week.
or the best way to fix a team with so many holes becomes an addition by subtraction and adding more numbers to the equation. If the deal was for multi picks I like it. If it was for a sole #1 no thanks. I know Keim is the stumbling block but if he is gone the new guy will have options with multi picks.
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"Inflated Stats" = Stats I do not want to recognize.
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True. I’ve always hated posters removing any data from an argument to prove a point. That said, I don’t think sacks alone tell the whole story. Occasional sacks don’t offset a general lack of pressure. And that’s what I see when watching the cards. For long stretches there’s zero pressure and QBs carve us up. Then we pop a sack. Now the sacks this year have come with a larger number of strips than I think the norm, so they’ve had big impact, but there’s still a general lack of consistent pressure (at least according to the eyeball test - I’d be interested to see hurries stats). Suggs is a great example of feast or famine. When he feasts it’s like a Caligula orgy, but otherwise it’s like the great potato famine.
DeAnna
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Cause some people think football is like the stock market. When they decide to overhaul everything and rebuild, then they'll trade him while his value is still high.
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I was just about to say something similar, I would consider it if we had a real GM that could make it work for us but we don't so, Keim would get a 4th in the 2026 draft and a conditional 7th in the 2021 draft....or he'd just trade straight up for Matt Bryant
That's not what I question. I'm sure Keim could get a 1st from a contender right now, and may even another 2nd or 3rd. But what I question is who Keim would draft with that pick...
Bottom line: Keep our best players and try adding. Not vice versa.
TJ
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So if we're talking about trading PP21, why aren't we expelling as much energy talking about trading Chandler Jones? He's older than Peterson, is at worst top-3 at his position like Peterson, and would net us a king's ransom in the trade market.
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- Plays a more premier position.
- Has been more consistent than Peterson since he got here.
- Pass-rushers ages better than CBs.
- Chandler hasn’t shown signs of wanting out.
Obvious answer, really.
You better hope yesterday wasn’t a preview of Peterson against good CBs from now on.
BW52
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Has Chandler Jones ever pitched a bitch about being in AZ or demanded a trade or been suspended for PEDS? I do think the answer is no the all the above.
TJ
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Finding a 10+ sack/season pass rusher is easier than finding an elite shutdown CB. There are maybe 5 in the league that do it on a consistent basis
Aside from his rookie year and 2014, Peterson has played at an elite level every year. If anything, he's been one of the most consistent CBs in the NFL as his game plan has always been covering half the field and limiting targets in his general direction
Is there data that supports this statement?
This speaks more to fan emotion than anything. There isn't anything today that shows Peterson is actively seeking a way out of AZ like Ramsey. This relationship is entirely reparable if it even needs to be repaired at all.
I thought Peterson was fine yesterday. Most of Thomas's catches were when Peterson was playing 10-15 yards off the line and Brees hit him for quick slants/drags. He also had an athletic INT. Vance has to learn how to use Peterson against elite WRs. He's done his best when he's asked to shadow the opposition's top target.
My point is: I don't want to trade either because both can be cornerstones for a top-tier defense, but if you were so inclined to trade either, you can make equal arguments for why to trade both - pick up significant draft capital for a rebuild.
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TJ
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All in the past. Peterson isn't faking injuries to skip games and telling people he wants out immediately.
Again, why are people so desperate to trade known commodities for question marks?
I don't get this mentality. I don't. Picks are a crap shoot. You want to trade a proven commodity and position that is rare to find a legit pro bowl caliber player for picks that may or may not turn into anything? The chances of us finding another corner at that level is probably less than 10%.
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Wow Ouchie, that comment may have went over half the posters in here's heads. LOL!
TJ
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Bingo.
Also, the teams likely to trade for Peterson would be playoff teams, so if you were to get, say, a first and a third. Both would be on the backend of their respective rounds. The types of guys we've gotten on the backend are Deone Buchannon and DJ Humphries.
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Chandler Jones can play at this level till 35
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- I don’t know, I think one of the hardest things to do in this league is to find a guarantee 10+ sacks per year pass-rusher.
- I think Peterson’s truly elite years were 2015 & 2016. While every year, he has just been good. He’s not a Stephon Gilmore or Marlon Humphrey anymore.
- Just read this thread for examples.
https://www.arizonasportsfans.com/forum/threads/belated-agreement.325028/page-3#post-4059203
- That doesn’t mean he still wants out. This honestly tells me he won’t resign here. Which we’ll only fetch a 3rd comp pick instead a 1st + more picks. I don’t know why it’s a forgone conclusion that Peterson is going to sign the contract he will be offered by a lot of people here. I really don’t know at all.
Vance didn’t do him any favors, but he was still getting beat on press. Michael Thomas is a great WR, but as a truly “elite” CB, that should not be happening.
If Chandler was 34 or Peterson was 25, I would wholeheartedly agree with you. Chandler’s game relies on technique instead of athleticism in which his game will continue to be consistent for a long time. I cannot 100% say the same for Peterson. Peterson should not be Teflon around here.
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