#4 it is

[sunsfan88]

Yeah this is a top 3 heavy player draft.

 

[Hoop Head]

No one talked about this being a "3 player draft" until we fell out of the top 3. I suspect the same would have happened if we landed at 2, people would be talking up the top 2 picks.

 

[Chaplin]

Fox could end up being the best player in this draft and the gap is huge? Come on.

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

Not even close to "huge". Come on now.

I think it's huge too.

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

No one talked about this being a "3 player draft" until we fell out of the top 3. I suspect the same would have happened if we landed at 2, people would be talking up the top 2 picks.

What?!? A bunch of us have been saying that for months and many publications have as well. They said it had a two player tier and then a one player second tier and then it dropped off to like a six player tier. That's revisionist history on your part.

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

Fox could end up being the best player in this draft and the gap is huge? Come on.

There's always someone that could surprise. Kobe wasn't drafted until the teens. But that doesn't change the pre-draft perceptions of the talent.

 

[Chaplin]

Give me a break. You all spend multiple pages talking about how Lonzo Ball has all these deficiencies in his game and all of a sudden the gap is huge between 3 and 4? You guys don't see how ridiculous that is? And kingdad is right -- you didn't all start complaining about players beyond the top 3 until we got the #4.

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

Give me a break. You all spend multiple pages talking about how Lonzo Ball has all these deficiencies in his game and all of a sudden the gap is huge between 3 and 4? You guys don't see how ridiculous that is? And kingdad is right -- you didn't all start complaining about players beyond the top 3 until we got the #4.

Fake news

 

[elindholm]

For what it's worth, Jay Bilas had Jackson 4th on his board in the ESPN draft show. I can't remember whether Tatum or Fox was 3rd.

 

[JCSunsfan]

No one talked about this being a "3 player draft" until we fell out of the top 3. I suspect the same would have happened if we landed at 2, people would be talking up the top 2 picks.

Where have you been? It's been talked about as a three player draft for months. There are other good players , but tier one is clearly the top three.

Fox is a project player. He has huge talent and could develop but he is not the shooter he should be, favors his left way too much, and is not the best decision maker. Those flaws have to be corrected. Fultz is the top prospect. Ball is a transcendent distributor and Jackson is an animal two way player. Yes, Fox could be really good but he has much more to change than the top three.

 

[JCSunsfan]

Give me a break. You all spend multiple pages talking about how Lonzo Ball has all these deficiencies in his game and all of a sudden the gap is huge between 3 and 4? You guys don't see how ridiculous that is? And kingdad is right -- you didn't all start complaining about players beyond the top 3 until we got the #4.

Sorry. Totally not true on both counts. We have been talking about the top three for months. You are just flat wrong on this one.

 

[elindholm]

It's annoying that the Suns continue to suffer through bad lottery luck, but I don't think it's that great a loss. I will go on record as saying I think Ball will be a bust. Fultz, Jackson, and Tatum all look like solid prospects to me. (I haven't looked at Fox.) Given that we can trust the Lakers to take Ball, one of the other three has to fall to the Suns. Maybe "everyone" has been saying that it's a three-player draft, but it seems to me that the names in the 3-5 range are moving around pretty fluidly.

 

[ColdPickleNachos]

For what it's worth, Jay Bilas had Jackson 4th on his board in the ESPN draft show. I can't remember whether Tatum or Fox was 3rd.

He had Tatum 3rd.

 

[Chaplin]

It's annoying that the Suns continue to suffer through bad lottery luck, but I don't think it's that great a loss. I will go on record as saying I think Ball will be a bust. Fultz, Jackson, and Tatum all look like solid prospects to me. (I haven't looked at Fox.) Given that we can trust the Lakers to take Ball, one of the other three has to fall to the Suns. Maybe "everyone" has been saying that it's a three-player draft, but it seems to me that the names in the 3-5 range are moving around pretty fluidly.

Exactly. And there is no evidence to the contrary, even if JC claims there is.

 

[AzStevenCal]

No one talked about this being a "3 player draft" until we fell out of the top 3. I suspect the same would have happened if we landed at 2, people would be talking up the top 2 picks.

From memory, I'd say I've heard it called mostly a 1 or 2 player draft, then a 5 player draft, a 6 player draft, an 8 player draft and lastly a 3 player draft.

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

Exactly. And there is no evidence to the contrary, even if JC claims there is.

Except all the talk on this board for months and the articles that stated it too. And no, I'm not doing research I freely admit working from memory. But it's a pretty damn good memory. One that I believe in more than I believe in any of yours.

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

It's a tiered draft with several really good levels

Fultz
Ball

Jackson

Fox
Tatum

Isaac
NCST pg (name escapes me for a moment)
Markenaan
Nkitkinka

 

[Chaplin]

It's a tiered draft with several really good levels

Fultz
Ball

Jackson

Fox
Tatum

Isaac
NCST pg (name escapes me for a moment)
Markenaan
Nkitkinka

I actually agree with your list here, except for the opinion that there is a "huge" gap between Jackson and Fox.

 

[sunsfan88]

It's a tiered draft with several really good levels

Fultz
Ball

Jackson

Fox
Tatum

Isaac
NCST pg (name escapes me for a moment)
Markenaan
Nkitkinka

Close.

Tier should be:

Fultz
Ball

Jackson






Fox
Isaac

Markennan
Smith
Tatum
Nkitkinka

 

[Chaplin]

Close.

Tier should be:

Fultz
Ball

Jackson






Fox
Isaac

Markennan
Smith
Tatum
Nkitkinka

Please, enlighten us and prove that gap exists. And quoting an obscure sports magazine doesn't work.

 

[sunsfan88]

No one talked about this being a "3 player draft" until we fell out of the top 3. I suspect the same would have happened if we landed at 2, people would be talking up the top 2 picks.

Maybe you've been living under a rock, every major draft site and draft analysts have said that there are only 3 elite prospects from this draft in Fultz, Ball and Jackson.

Now that doesn't mean the best player from the draft 2 years from now will be one of those guys. But as prospects, those 3 are the elite ones. Guys like Fox, and few others aren't bad but their not on the same tier.

If the Suns got the 2nd pick, most people would've been happy with it.

 

[Chaplin]

Maybe you've been living under a rock, every major draft site and draft analysts have said that there are only 3 elite prospects from this draft in Fultz, Ball and Jackson.

Now that doesn't mean the best player from the draft 2 years from now will be one of those guys. But as prospects, those 3 are the elite ones. Guys like Fox, and few others aren't bad but their not on the same tier.

If the Suns got the 2nd pick, most people would've been happy with it.

What's their reasoning for that analysis? You seem to buy it hook, line and sinker, and I'm wondering why. It can't be statistically, right?

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

Bah here's the truth:

We have all been reading the same talent evaluators over the last year, we've all watched some games (but rarely all) of every prospect, we've all read each other's opinions, and we may have all watched vids. Literally every one of the prospects have holes of some sort. We literally have no idea who is going to translate at the next level.

I've been spot on with some:

Finley
Person

And way off on others:

Marion
The Syracuse forward (John somebody) I wanted over Nash

And I'm sure so have most of you over the years

 

[Chaplin]

Bah here's the truth:

We have all been reading the same talent evaluators over the last year, we've all watched some games (but rarely all) of every prospect, we've all read each other's opinions, and we may have all watched vids. Literally every one of the prospects have holes of some sort. We literally have no idea who is going to translate at the next level.

I've been spot on with some:

Finley
Person

And way off on others:

Marion
The Syracuse forward (John somebody) I wanted over Nash

And I'm sure so have most of you over the years

Ok?

I think there's a pretty good chance I'll be off on Tatum and he'll actually be really good. But I'm not enamored by high picks from Duke, and that colors my opinion.

The Lonzo Ball thread is rife with people saying he's not as good as advertised -- and in fact, use Fox as the reason why that is. No, the gap isn't huge.

 

[elindholm]

I've been spot on with some:

And way off on others:

And I'm sure so have most of you over the years

I haven't kept track of my own prediction accuracy, but I'd be willing to bet that it's below average. Even so, some weaknesses bother me more than others.

I'm tired of hearing that someone's lousy shooting form can be "fixed." There are very few cases of that actually happening. Jackson makes barely half of his free throws. That's terrifying to me. To me, Jackson looks like a poor man's Brandon Ingram.

As for Ball, his father is going to be a distraction his entire career. We know that. The list of NBA stars whose fathers were overbearing nut cases is very short.