5/26/2005 Insider - Shaq wins wherever he goes & his best teammates

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Shaq wins wherever he goes


John Hollinger


Few players provide a stronger guarantee of success than Shaquille O'Neal. With three different teams and seven head coaches, O'Neal has been a winner everywhere he's played. All three of his clubs made it to at least the conference finals, and in his 13 NBA seasons, Shaq has never had a losing record.

Most recently, O'Neal turned around the fortunes of the Miami Heat, who went from 42 wins a year ago to 59 this season. Of course, he has had some help in the form of stars such as Dwyane Wade and Eddie Jones, just as he had in other stops. That has us wondering: How does this year's Miami squad stack up against previous Shaq-centered teams?

To answer that question, I developed a method to rank all 13 of Shaq's teams. Here are the criteria:

1. Winning games: I gave each team one point for every regular-season win. In the case of the 1998-99 lockout year, I prorated the Lakers' wins to an 82-game season.

2. Dominating games: If Team A wins by 30 and Team B wins by 1 against a similar opponent, it stands to reason that Team A was better than Team B. To reflect that distinction, I gave each team one point for every point in its average margin of victory. For example, the 2004-05 Heat outscored opponents by 6.5 points per game, so I gave them 6.5 points.

3. Winning when it matters: I gave every team two points for each playoff game won and subtracted one point for each playoff game lost. However, I gave each team a three-point bonus for making the playoffs – that way teams like Shaq's 1993-94 Magic club won't be penalized for making the postseason and losing in the first round. To avoid overrating teams from the past three seasons, since the first round went to a best-of-seven format, I "counted" only the first three wins and losses in the first round.

4. Winning championships: I gave each team two points for winning a round in the playoffs and an additional three points for winning the whole enchilada. It might not seem like much, but once we combine all the playoff bonuses, a team that won Game 7 of the Finals would get a maximum of 38 points, while a team that lost in Game 7 of the Finals would get, at most, 30. So a champion would only rate behind a runner-up if there were huge differences between them in the other categories.

Based on this exercise, here are the results (Click here for full rankings):

No. 13: 1992-93 Magic
41-41, no playoffs
Supporting cast: Scott Skiles, Nick Anderson, Dennis Scott, Tom Tolbert
Coach: Matt Guokas
As the only Shaq team not to make the playoffs (they missed by a game) or finish above .500, the '92-93 Magic easily claimed last place. The rookie O'Neal managed to overcome a weak supporting crew and the worst uniforms in the history of basketball to put up monstrous averages of 23.9 points, 13.9 rebounds and 3.5 blocks. He ran away with the Rookie of the Year trophy, but the expansion Magic had little talent surrounding him.



No. 12: 1993-94 Magic
50-32, swept in first round by Indiana
Supporting cast: Skiles, Anderson, Scott, Anfernee Hardaway
Coach: Brian Hill
Rookie Penny Hardaway arrived on the scene and helped Shaq share the load, resulting in the first of 12 straight 50-win seasons for Shaq (using prorated wins for the 1998-99 lockout year). However, this season would mark the first of several playoff disappointments early in O'Neal's career. The Magic were huge first-round favorites against sixth-seeded Indiana but were swept. However, with rising stars such as Shaq, Hardaway and Anderson on the team, it seemed only a matter of time before the Magic rose to the top.

No. 11: 1998-99 Lakers
31-19, swept in second round by San Antonio
Supporting cast: Kobe Bryant, Jones, Glen Rice, Rick Fox, Derek Fisher
Coaches: Del Harris, Bill Bertka, Kurt Rambis
Shaq's second year in L.A. saw a team in transition, as the Lakers traded Jones and Elden Campbell to Charlotte midway through the season for Rice and endured a disastrous experiment with Dennis Rodman. This season also indirectly ushered in the Phil Jackson era. At the end of Game 2 against San Antonio, the Lakers had a foul to give but failed to use it, instead watching Tim Duncan hit a game-winning hook shot. Coach Kurt Rambis was told to pack his bags, and within days, Jerry West had Big Chief Triangle on the phone.

Amid the chaos, Shaq's playoff reputation was taking a big hit. This marked the fifth time in six seasons that an O'Neal team was swept in the postseason, leading some to mutter that he couldn't handle adversity.


No. 10: 2002-03 Lakers
50-32, lost in second round to San Antonio
Supporting cast: Bryant, Robert Horry, Fisher, Devean George
Coach: Phil Jackson
Shaq's Lakers had two amazingly similar seasons bracketing their three championships, right down to the playoff loss to San Antonio. In 2003, the entire supporting cast got old at once and years of benign neglect from general manager Mitch Kupchak finally took its toll. L.A. did stage one last hurrah, nearly coming back from 25 down to beat San Antonio on the road in Game 5 before surrendering in six games.


No. 9: 1996-97 Lakers
56-26, lost in second round to Utah
Supporting cast: Jones, Nick Van Exel, Elden Campbell, Jerome Kersey
Coach: Harris
Shaq's first season in L.A. didn't produce a title, but much of the building for the Lakers' three championship teams took place. Shaq signed as a free agent, the Lakers drafted a high-school project named Kobe Bryant, and at midseason, L.A. acquired disgruntled forward Horry from Phoenix. On the court, the Lakers improved to 56 wins before meeting their demise against Utah.


No. 8: 1995-96 Magic
60-22, swept in conference finals by Chicago
Supporting cast: Hardaway, Anderson, Horace Grant, Scott
Coach: Hill
The 1995-96 Magic were an outstanding team. They just had the misfortune of playing in the same conference as the greatest team of all time and as a result were bulldozed in four games by the 72-10 Bulls. However, Orlando's success on the court took a backseat to the rumors about Shaq's impending departure as a free agent. Thanks to a collective bargaining agreement that didn't include restricted free agency, O'Neal soon skipped off to L.A., while the Magic screamed bloody murder about tampering.



No. 7: 1994-95 Magic
57-25, swept in Finals by Houston
Supporting cast: Hardaway, Anderson, Grant, Scott
Coach: Hill
This is the one that got away from O'Neal. The Magic knocked off formerly retired Michael Jordan and the Bulls in the second round and looked like champions in the making. However, Orlando couldn't recover after Anderson bricked four straight foul shots in the final seconds of Game 1 of the Finals and the Rockets came back to win in overtime. Hardaway famously turned his back and looked away as Anderson shot No. 3, only to turn around and see it carom away. From O'Neal's perspective, it's amazing that this is only the seventh-best team on which he played.



No. 6: 1997-98 Lakers
61-21, swept in conference finals by Utah
Supporting cast: Jones, Van Exel, Fox, Horry
Coach: Harris
Despite the ignominious sweep by Utah, the Lakers rate better than the Magic team that advanced to the Finals. If you think about it, it makes sense. This team won more games, had a better victory margin, and played better in the early playoff rounds. Besides, the Jazz of the late '90s might be the best team to not win a championship in history, so it's no shame losing to them.



However, this season did carry a whiff of disappointment. On pure talent, the Lakers should have crushed Utah and given Chicago all it could handle in the Finals. Jones, Van Exel, Fox, Horry and Campbell were in their primes, Bryant was coming into his own, and the bench was deep (Fisher, Corie Blount, Sean Rooks, Jon Barry). It was Shaq's fourth postseason sweep in five playoffs.



No. 5: 2003-04 Lakers
56-26, lost in Finals to Detroit
Supporting cast: Bryant, Gary Payton, Karl Malone, Fisher
Coach: Jackson
A 56-win season that ends with a trip to the Finals normally is cause for celebration, but this one was a crushing disappointment. With the offseason additions of Malone and Payton to the squad, some suggested the Lakers could break the Bulls' record of 72 wins. L.A. lived up to the early hype before a knee injury sidelined Malone, but when he returned late in the season, L.A. again became the favorite to win the title.



Shaq seemed destined for ring No. 4 after a last-second shot by Fisher helped knock off San Antonio in the second round, but the Pistons proved a much tougher adversary than L.A. expected. Throw in a second knee injury to Malone and a growing feud between Shaq and Kobe, and the dynasty was doomed. After the season, L.A. made it official by trading Shaq to Miami.



No. 4: 2004-05 Heat
59-23, tied 1-1 in conference finals with Detroit
Supporting cast: Wade, Eddie Jones, Damon Jones, Udonis Haslem
Coach: Stan Van Gundy
Believe it or not, this is already the best of Shaq's non-championship teams. While the margin between teams No. 4 and No. 8 on this list is infinitesimal, the Miami gang moves to the top of that heap by rating well in every department. The +6.5 victory margin is the second-best of that five-team group; the 8-0 blitz through the first two rounds all but guarantees them the best playoff record of the bunch; and the 59 wins rate strongly, too.



However, they might not hold this spot for long. If Miami loses to Detroit in five games, then the Heat drop to the bottom of that five-team scrum and finish No. 8. If Miami takes it to six games, then it ends up at No. 7. Miami would have to take the Pistons to seven games in order to hang onto its perch at No. 4.



On the bright side, this year's Heat also can move up. Should Miami run the table in their next seven games and win the title, it'd finish No. 2. If the Heat win it all while losing fewer than five games combined in the last two series, they'll rank No. 3.



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No. 3: 2000-01 Lakers
56-26, beat 76ers in Finals
Supporting cast: Bryant, Fisher, Fox, Grant
Coach: Jackson
It seems incongruent to rank this team only third since it had one of the most dominant playoff runs ever – a 15-1 rampage that included several blowout wins. However, one can't ignore what a humdrum regular season these guys had. L.A. won 56 games and was lucky to do even that, posting a +3.4 victory margin that was among the worst of Shaq's career. Additionally, Shaq and Kobe spent most of the year feuding – foreshadowing the Lakers' 2004 implosion – before getting their act together for the postseason.



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No. 2: 2001-02 Lakers
58-24, swept Nets in Finals
Supporting cast: Bryant, Fisher, Fox, Horry
Coach: Jackson
Despite a very solid regular season, L.A.'s three-peat quest looked dicey in the conference finals. The Lakers trailed Sacramento by 24 points in Game 4 with the Kings already leading the series 2-1. But Horry hit a buzzer-beating 3-pointer to cap the comeback, and L.A. managed to squeak out a Game 7 overtime win in Sacramento to keep its vise grip on the trophy. Unfortunately for L.A., this was the end of the line, as age would soon take its toll on the supporting cast.



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No. 1: 1999-2000 Lakers
67-15, beat Pacers in Finals
Supporting cast: Bryant, Rice, Ron Harper, Horry
Coach: Jackson
O'Neal won his only MVP trophy in this season, and he richly deserved it in his best season, both individually and teamwise. Under new coach Jackson, Shaq won a career-best 67 games and had the best victory margin of his career.



That achievement nearly came unraveled in the playoffs, however, as the Lakers' habit of postseason underachievement proved tough to shake. L.A. blew a 2-0 lead against Sacramento and a 3-1 lead against Portland before rallying to win each series. The Portland series was the most famous, of course, as L.A. came from 16 down in the second half to avoid one of the greatest collapses in history. The capper, fittingly enough, came on a volcanic dunk by Shaq, who went over the square on the backboard to catch a pass from Bryant and ripped it through the net in one motion.




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Stacking up Shaq's teammates





Between his three teams and 13 seasons in the NBA, Shaquille O'Neal has had a mob of teammates – nearly 100, in fact. Players as diverse as Tree Rollins, Dennis Rodman, Bison Dele and Greg Kite played at least one season with the Diesel. Three others (Tom Tolbert, Steve Kerr and John Salley) are in the booth, while two former colleagues (Scott Skiles and Byron Scott) now coach against him.



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Right now, the Diesel is enjoying his new amigos in Miami and extolling the virtues of Dwyane Wade compared to former cohorts like Kobe Bryant and Penny Hardaway. But how do Wade and company size up against the Kobes and Pennys of the world? Let's take a look back through history and see. I devised a formula to rate each of Shaq's former and current mates and ranked them from top to bottom. The formula focused on two aspects of performance: How well the player performed during his career as Shaq's teammate, and how good that player was at his peak with Team Shaq.

For the first part, I began with each player's Player Efficiency Rating (PER). I then subtracted 8.5 and squared it, which weighted great seasons much more heavily than a mediocre performance. Finally, I added that number for all the seasons that player was O'Neal's teammate and played a minimum of 500 minutes.

For example, Corie Blount played with Shaq for two seasons and had a PER of 11.9 in each season. Subtract 8.5 from 11.9 and square the result and you get 11.6, add it over two seasons and that's 23.2 points for Blount.

For the second part, I squared the player's PER in his best season with Shaq and added that to his score. For Blount, that added 141.6 points to his score, for a total of 164.8.

Also, since PER doesn't account for defense beyond blocks and steals, I increased or decreased the rating of certain players who were especially good or bad in this aspect. The players who received an increase included Robert Horry, Derek Fisher and Horace Grant (Orlando years only); the "decreased" players were Glen Rice, Dennis Scott, Christian Laettner and Slava Medvedenko.

After repeating the same rating exercise we did with Blount for a hundred other players, we can now present the top 40 teammates of Shaq's career thus far. Since Casey Kasem wouldn't count them down for us, you'll have to settle for this list instead:

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40. Kareem Rush (L.A., 2002-04)
Will go down in history as the second-best Laker named Kareem. But for one glorious night against Minnesota in the 2004 conference finals, he was The Man.

39. Tyronn Lue (L.A., 1998-2001)
Picked up the nickname "the Answering Machine" for his defense on Allen Iverson in the 2001 Finals. Also provided the inspiration for the Jar-Jar Binks character in the "Star Wars" movies.

38. Tree Rollins (Orlando, 1993-95)
Tree was older than many forests by the time he was backing up Shaq in Orlando, but he held his own enough for Orlando to make the Finals.

37. Jeff Turner (Orlando, 1992-96)
Pedestrian talent was one of the rare few to play with both Jordan ('84 Olympics) and Shaq (in Orlando) yet not own a championship ring.

36. Bryon Russell (L.A., 2003-04)
Had a solid year shooting 3s off the bench as a Laker, but he did more to foil Shaq while he was a member of the Jazz.

35. J.R. Rider (L.A., 2000-01)
An ardent recycler who creatively found an alternate use for discarded Coke cans, Rider was a decent scorer off the bench for half a season until the Lakers got sick of his act.

34. Brian Shaw (Orlando 1994-96, L.A. 1999-2003)
Had an alley-oop play with Shaq that O'Neal nicknamed "Shaw-Shaq redemption." Otherwise, his main contribution was accidentally banking a 3-pointer at the end of the third quarter to start the Lakers' Game 7 comeback against Portland in 2000.

33. Jerome Kersey (L.A., 1996-97)
He was near the end of the line when he got to L.A., but was a useful emergency starter at small forward for a season after Cedric Ceballos flaked out.

32. Anthony Bowie (Orlando, 1992-96)
Most famous for calling a timeout with seconds remaining in a regular season game so he could get the assist he needed for a triple-double. He got the assist, making him among the worst players ever to record a triple-double.

31. Corie Blount (L.A., 1996-99)
Shaq's a great player, but man, he's had some awful backups. Greg Kite, Jon Koncak, Tree Rollins, John Salley, Anthony Avent, Michael Doleac ... ick. Compared to those guys, Blount looked like Bill Walton on the '86 Celtics.

30. Ron Harper (L.A., 1999-2001)
One of many ex-Bulls to arrive in L.A. with Phil Jackson, Harper was an important contributor to Shaq's first championship team in 2000 before the injuries finally caught up to him for good.

29. Luke Walton (L.A., 2003-04)
29th? That's horrible. Walton's passing skills helped the Lakers win Game 2 against Detroit in the Finals, but that appears to be his only asset.

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28. Mark Madsen (L.A., 2000-03)
Not the worst teammate Shaq ever had, but definitely the worst dancer. His performance at the 2001 championship celebration was epic, and as he's Mormon, he can't even use the "I was drunk" excuse.

27. Derek Harper (L.A., 1998-99)
Harper was a one-year rental used to patch up the point guard spot in 1998-99 after the Lakers traded Nick Van Exel. He did a decent job, but it would be the last of his 16 NBA seasons.

26. Devean George (L.A., 1999-2005)
Colossally overrated for most of his time with Shaq, he did play fairly well in the 2002 Finals against New Jersey – at which point Mitch Kupchak immediately overpaid him.

25. Byron Scott (L.A., 1996-97)
Played better against Shaq (with Indiana in the 1994 playoffs) than he did with him in a brief career-ending stint with the Lakers. As with Harper, it would be his final season.

24. Slava Medvedenko (L.A., 2001-04)
Held down the fort last year while Karl Malone was out with a knee injury. Enjoys shooting more than most people enjoy breathing.

23. Sean Rooks (L.A., 1996-99)
Rooks had his most productive seasons as Shaq's backup. Granted, that's not saying much considering the rest of his career.

22. Travis Knight (L.A., 1996-97, 1998-2000)
Another of the many Shaq understudies from early in his Laker career, Knight managed to parlay a quasi-decent rookie season into a gold-plated free-agent contract from Rick Pitino. Within a year he was back in L.A.

21. Christian Laettner (Miami, 2004-05)
Of all Shaq's teammates to be named after a major religious sect, he's the best.

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20. Alonzo Mourning (Miami, 2004-05)
Suddenly healthy after he whined his way out of New Jersey and joined Shaq in Miami, Mourning decided to celebrate by wildly pumping his fists after even the most minor of accomplishments.

19. Damon Jones (Miami, 2004-05)
This underrated 3-point specialist was born to play with Shaq. Just don't portray him as a butler.

18. Udonis Haslem (Miami, 2004-05)
Five years ago, Shaq would have been the smaller of these two. Now that Haslem's back under three bills, he's become a top-20 power forward.

17. Rick Fox (L.A., 1997-2004)
Skillful passer and gritty defender, but had those aspects overshadowed by Chia-pet hairdo and 2002 preseason brawl with Doug and Jackie Christie.

16. Scott Skiles (Orlando, 1992-94)
Allegedly, he once challenged Shaq to a fight in practice. I say "allegedly" because Skiles is still alive. Little known fact: Skiles holds the record for assists in a game with 30 – and he did it before Shaq arrived.

15. Glen Rice (L.A., 1998-2000)
Rice had lost some of the zip in his step by the time he reached L.A., but he still had that feathery touch on his jumper. The trade of Eddie Jones and Elden Campbell to acquire him was disastrous in terms of talent, but Rice's shooting helped Lakers win title in 2000.

14. Donald Royal (Orlando, 1992-96)
Wasn't as good as a few of the guys beneath him on this list, but his best years coincided perfectly with the seasons Shaq was his teammate.

13. Dennis Scott (Orlando, 1992-96)
The first of many great shooters to benefit from all the double-teaming of Shaq. Would have benefited longer had he kept the daily calorie intake under five digits.

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12. Gary Payton (L.A., 2003-04)
Put together a solid one-year stint as the Lakers' point guard despite complaining nearly the entire time that he wasn't getting enough shots. Might have been the least shocking free-agent departure in history.

11. Karl Malone (L.A., 2003-04)
Convinced Payton to come to L.A. with him and almost immediately became the peacemaker between Shaq and Kobe. He ultimately failed, but he managed to keep order long enough to make a third trip to the Finals.

10. Derek Fisher (L.A., 1996-2004)
He's most famous for the 0.4-second shot in San Antonio, but his scorching-hot shooting in the 2002 playoffs after returning from an injury was a major reason the Lakers blew everyone out of the water.

9. Elden Campbell (L.A., 1996-99)
Far and away the best player to serve as Shaq's backup, he also started next to O'Neal for a time at power forward. In retrospect, including him in the Rice trade was a huge mistake.

8. Nick Van Exel (L.A., 1996-98)
One of the first brilliant moves made by Jerry West to rebuild the team when he selected Van Exel with the 37th overall pick in 1993, but Nick was exiled to Denver before he could get a ring.

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7. Robert Horry (L.A., 1996-2003)
When he teamed up with Shaq, Big Play Bob perfected his routine of sleepwalking through the regular season and then waking up to deliver big shots in the playoffs. As a Laker, those included the game-tying 3 in Game 7 against Portland in 2000, and the Game 4 trifecta at the buzzer to beat Sacramento two years later.

6. Eddie Jones (L.A. 1996-99, Miami 2004-05)
Traded to Charlotte to make room for Kobe Bryant or he would have ranked higher. Jones was just coming into his prime in L.A. and is past it now that he's back with Shaq in Miami, but in between he was one of the best off guards in the league.

5. Horace Grant (Orlando 1994-96, L.A. 2000-01, 2003-04)
His arrival as a free agent turned the Magic into instant contenders, but Grant is remembered more for the comical eyeware. In history, the only two people seen wearing those neon-framed goggles are Grant and the guy who owned the night club in "Purple Rain." That's the entire list.

4. Nick Anderson (Orlando, 1992-96)
He's infamous for the four missed free throws against Houston, so people tend not to give Anderson his due as a player. He averaged 19.9 points his first year with Shaq, shot 41.5 percent from the arc the year Orlando made the Finals, and yanked five rebounds a game during his career.

3. Dwyane Wade (Miami, 2004-05)
Shaq says Wade is the best running mate he's had, but I'm not signing off on that yet. Both Penny and Kobe had seasons that rated significantly better, so Wade will need to surpass those marks first. I have no doubt he can do it, but he has to prove it first.

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2. Anfernee Hardaway (Orlando, 1993-96)
In his last two seasons with Shaq, Penny averaged 21 a game and shot 51 percent ... as a 6-7 point guard. No wonder he seemed like the next big superstar – how were we supposed to know his knees were made of Swiss cheese?

1. Kobe Bryant (L.A., 1997-2004)
Shaq won his only three championships with Kobe riding shotgun, so until Wade gets at least one ring under his belt, he has no claim to the top spot. Like Wade, Bryant also did a lot of heavy lifting when Shaq was on the shelf, including the amazing 40-point-games streak of




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Tree Rollins, LOL. I never would have remembered that he was still playing in the mid-90s.
 
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