I agree with those who believe it's Craig's job to lose. He fits best and he's earned the opportunity to continue in the starting role. I can also seeing it be matchup dependent. Some nights it might be better to go a little smaller with Ross in there or start Okogie for defense. I hope Monty experiments a little but he seems to tighten the rotation this time of the year. For once I'm for management telling him to loosen the reins a little.
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Craig is a solid and versatile defender and he's shot very well from 3 this year. Even when his shot isn't going they guy is a hustle machine.
IMO, he's the obvious choice.
IMO, he's the obvious choice.
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Tough to call that with limited knowledge. But if he came through there it would be huge. Bang corner threes and play long defensively.
I hope he isn't on the roster. Like Kevin Love
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It sounds like Cavs won’t be buying out Love?
I had seen it was still a possibility just a day ago. He doesn't like the reduced role
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Remember the looks Ray Allen, Mike Miller and Shane Battier were getting in Miami? There is so much opportunities for 2-3 of these role guys to become dangerous weapons.
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I was hoping Kevin Love might become a buyout option for the Suns but it doesn't seem like there is any pressure for it to happen.
Cavaliers not expecting buyout with veteran Love
Cavs president Koby Altman said he hasn't had any discussions with Kevin Love or his agent about a contract buyout.
I went with Ross, based on reports about him. Craig is an emergency starter who can do a little of everything but nothing really good enough, just a poorman's Crowder. Ross is supposed to be an athletic and good perimeter defender, his career 3pt % is consistent, seems to be a more steady and experienced version of Okogie we saw lately. He'd take the def. assignment Mikal used to have, to say energy for Book and Paul; and KD is a better help rim protector than Craig. However, if Craig could miraculously improve his 3pt confidence, it'd be a draw with Ross, IMO.
I think Ross is most likely to start if not Craig. Craig will play inside on defense and allow KD to play more as a SF so I think Craig will start most games against bigger teams so Durant doesn't get banged up. When a team goes smaller against us and doesn't have a real PF like Denver, Memphis, or LA (when healthy), then we'll see Ross at SF and KD at PF.
Regardless of who starts though I think a lineup of Paul, Booker, Ross, KD, and Ayton will be the crunch time lineup unless someone else has a hot hand.
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Not sure I play Ross over Craig.
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for a backup center he is better than average.
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Don't tell us, tell Monty.
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His stats say he is pretty bad defensively.
perhaps he will put forth more effort, but his stats say he has never been an above average defender his whole career.
i Know we all hate shamet, but he is a better defender and shoots the same percentage from 3.
even though I have seen very little of Ross, I find those defensive ratings to be quite accurate for the players I am familiar with, so I mostly trust them.
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I think starting okogie in the last game was a test, and I think he passed it.
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Maybe he will play the role Monty wanted Duane Washington Jr. to play as an explosive scorer, however, I wanted another point guard more.
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Guys… I am continually flummoxed here. We all watch a TON of basketball and consume NBA news so how do sone of you forget that KD can’t stand Westbrook?
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We will just have to disagree.
He has better defensive ratings than Shamet in the playoffs. They've played roughly the same number of playoff games as well so I feel that's a fair comparison as Ross has 41 games, starting in 11, to Shamet's 43, starting 10. He has a better defensive rating and defensive win share and defensive box +/- there. Shamet has been better offensively in the playoffs though.
As I've mentioned and most know, he's been playing in Orlando for the last 7 years. A team going nowhere and lucky to compete for the play-in tournament. He's not going all out on defense. He has the capability and has shown he can be an average defender when it matters. I'll take that over Shamet.
I don't dislike Landry as a lot of fans do. He's overpaid, no doubt about that and he's done a respectable job when he fills in for Booker. Where I don't like him though is as a wing off the bench. He's played best here off the bench as a combo guard doing more playmaking than looking for his own offense. We saw that in the New Orleans series and in the Dallas series. I wish he'd play more like that than as what he does usually. I don't know if that's a Monty issue, Landry issue, or both. I suspect it's both though.
Go ahead and continue bashing a guy for defense played on a last place team surrounded by guys on rookie contracts too. He didn't dog it but he didn't go all out either. I've based my comments on what I've seen of him. Granted I haven't seen a lot but I've seen a handful of games and he's not the type who just stands around like a cone.
For anyone interested, heres a comparison of Shamet and Ross' stats, both regular and advanced stats.
Player Comparison: Terrence Ross vs. Landry Shamet | Stathead.com
Player Comparison: Terrence Ross vs. Landry Shamet
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I've been pleasantly surprised by Okogie's play this year, he's a dog on defense. But I don't think that was a test... we didn't really have any other options, next man up after Okogie was Wainwright, and he still played 26 minutes!
I hope Okogie continues to see playing time, he's been fun, but whoever that 5th man in the starting group is... that dude is going to see a LOT of open looks, and Craig is a way better shooter than Okogie.
They're similar players, lots of hustle, lots of D, but Craig's shooting wins out. Also, I think Okogie is better at defending smaller guys, while Craig can hold his own against a lot of 4s in this league, and that position is going to require defending some bigger dudes.
Allow me to unflummox you. I don't care if KD and Westbrook like each other. That's not what I asked.
I don't want Westbrook but I saw a video today talking about him coming to the Suns. Which is why I asked that question.
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You literally asked if Kevin can be a Westbrook whisperer. We’ve literally already seen that he can’t. You also asked if either Monty or CP3 could. But the fact that KD hates Russ means it’s immaterial if either could because there’s no way we’re immediately alienating our new superstar.
So considering all that, I’m still flummoxed. Do you really see a scenario where the team immediately decides to piss in KD’s face and bring someone on the team he hates?
