98.7 finally gets a clue after the Carr extension

[gimpy]

Just the other day, people were just complaining about the slow off season.

 

[BullheadCardFan]

I'm not sure if losing DeAndre Hopkins made that much of a difference or defenses figured Kyler Murray out.

Both

But more of DC's figured how to defend him

 

[iLLmatiC]

Chris Sanders having a meltdown... Going in on the front office with no regard for human life

 

[SoonerLou]

Both

But more of DC's figured how to defend him

I'd say its more defenses figured out how to defend him (Cardinals) without Deandre Hopkins.

We struggled vs teams playing man. Which they were afraid to do vs Hopkins. This caused AJ Green to draw tougher assignments.

The Panthers showed that blueprint during the Panthers game.

 

[Stout]

The other day, people were just complaining about the slow off season.

May you live in interesting times!

 

[AZ Native]

Between keim and kyler they really know how to optimize a one-two punch to alienate their base.

FUN OFFSEASON SO FAR!

Keim should have never been extended but Kyler’s agent is not doing him any favors IMO.

 

[kerouac9]

Chris Sanders having a meltdown... Going in on the front office with no regard for human life

Savage

 

[Chris_Sanders]

Savage

I am as down on this franchise as I was during the end of 2018. At least then I had hope of broad scale changes.

So yeah I would love to tell front office what I think. Sadly I am locked into 2 more years on my contract.

 

[kerouac9]

I am as down on this franchise as I was during the end of 2018. At least then I had hope of broad scale changes.

So yeah I would love to tell front office what I think. Sadly I am locked into 2 more years on my contract.

We’ll see what happens. I think a lot of us broadly expected this kind of offseason and then got sucked into the hype vortex.

IMO, Kyler is still going to be signed to an extension that will make many here queasy and this team will win between 8-10 games.

We should maybe reset our expectations for very little in the first wave of free agency and fill out the roster almost entirely after June 1.

 

[AZ Native]

We’ll see what happens. I think a lot of us broadly expected this kind of offseason and then got sucked into the hype vortex.

IMO, Kyler is still going to be signed to an extension that will make many here queasy and this team will win between 8-10 games.

We should maybe reset our expectations for very little in the first wave of free agency and fill out the roster almost entirely after June 1.

8 maybe. I don't know about the over based on the division and schedule. I hope so.

 

[Finito]

"What reason do we have to wait right now when every day the price tag goes up? I assume it's just to save face at this point because of the agent."

This off season is hilariously...wretchedly...awful.

No way I give Murray that much money.

 

[Chris_Sanders]

No way I give Murray that much money.

It's only going up from here so trade him or sign him ASAP

 

[Finito]

It's only going up from here so trade him or sign him ASAP

It’s not going to go up the bar is already set with Watson, Mahomes and Rodgers. Your looking at 40 a season pretty much

It’s not like the price has come out of nowhere. It’s not going to change from now until the start of the season.

It’s up to the cardinals and how much they value him. No way on earth would I tie up that much money in Murray. He’s flat out collapsed the last two seasons, hasn’t been able to stay healthy and has shown zero leadership or maturation since coming into the league.

Another thing that people are forgetting. Say you sign him for 220 million guaranteed the day that contract is signed the Cardinals need to put that full amount into a trust. You need that money on hand and Bidwill is pretty poor compared to other owners his only source of income is pretty much the Cardinals.

 

[Mainstreet]

If the Cardinals are unsure about Murray it might be cheaper long term to let Murray play out the season than overpay him now.

Sure they will pay more later but there is less long term risk if he is signed to a large contract. They will know exactly what they are getting.

Of course Murray may force a trade but then the Cardinals aren't the bad guy.

 

[Brian in Mesa]

Right. He probably lowballed him into a 30-35M range and it is no wonder Kyler and his agent pulled.

According to all reports, the Cards simply never responded to the offer at all.

 

[Finito]

If the Cardinals are unsure about Murray it might be cheaper long term to let Murray play out the season than overpay him now.

Sure they will pay more later but there is less long term risk if he is signed to a large contract. They will know exactly what they are getting.

Of course Murray may force a trade but then the Cardinals aren't the bad guy.

He’d be crazy to play without a long term contract. He would just sit out and it would be messy as all hell

 

[Mainstreet]

He’d be crazy to play without a long term contract. He would just sit out and it would be messy as all hell

I'm really torn on this.

I was more comfortable paying Deandre Ayton the max last summer than I am paying Kyler Murray and it's a similar situation. Ayton and his agent handled it professionally and Murray is under contract this season as well just like Ayton. Also the Cardinals could pick up his 5th year option. However, unlike the Ayton situation this could turn messy.

The Cardinals had to see this impasse coming with the social media stuff and the other quarterbacks getting paid big money. Now I understand Murray's agent has taken away their contract offer. The way this has been handled by both sides bothers me.

If the Cardinals are unsure they want to pay Murray, they should trade him before it really gets ugly. Maybe that's where it's at. It's hard to repair these relationships when they fall apart.

 

[Finito]

I'm really torn on this.

I was more comfortable paying Deandre Ayton the max last summer than I am paying Kyler Murray and it's a similar situation. Ayton and his agent handled it professionally and Murray is under contract this season as well just like Ayton. Also the Cardinals could pick up his 5th year option. However, unlike the Ayton situation this could turn messy.

The Cardinals had to see this impasse coming with the social media stuff and the other quarterbacks getting paid big money. Now I understand Murray's agent has taken away their contract offer. The way this has been handled by both sides bothers me.

If the Cardinals are unsure they want to pay Murray, they should trade him before it really gets ugly. Maybe that's where it's at. It's hard to repair these relationships when they fall apart.

I can tell you right now the Cardinals front office already knows if they want to give Murray 200 million dollars. If there’s even a doubt they have to move him and move him now before or at the draft when his value is the highest. I’d move him QB is the one position more than any where intangibles matter and honestly I just don’t see any in him.

You sign him now or you move him. Put on your big boy pants and get it done.

 

[Finito]

I'm really torn on this.

I was more comfortable paying Deandre Ayton the max last summer than I am paying Kyler Murray and it's a similar situation. Ayton and his agent handled it professionally and Murray is under contract this season as well just like Ayton. Also the Cardinals could pick up his 5th year option. However, unlike the Ayton situation this could turn messy.

The Cardinals had to see this impasse coming with the social media stuff and the other quarterbacks getting paid big money. Now I understand Murray's agent has taken away their contract offer. The way this has been handled by both sides bothers me.

If the Cardinals are unsure they want to pay Murray, they should trade him before it really gets ugly. Maybe that's where it's at. It's hard to repair these relationships when they fall apart.

We’ve also seen Ayton come up big when it mattered most and his improvement has been really good

We’ve seen Kyler come up small really small in games where it mattered most

 

[Solar7]

For people that don't understand the collective bargaining agreement, here is the language

• Multiple Pro Bowls: Players who are named to two or three Pro Bowls on the original ballot (not as an alternate) will be eligible for a fifth year base salary equal to the franchise tender at their position.

Upon being exercised, the fifth year option is fully guaranteed, and any base salary in the player's fourth year that was not fully guaranteed will become so.

So that is 45 million fully guaranteed after next year. All of it eating into the cap at once.

I genuinely mean it when I say, thanks for spelling this one out for me. I had no idea about this clause.

We've touched on this in other threads, but what gives me pause is that I don't know if Kyler is going to be worth any kind of an extension. I sure was eating my words at the midpoint of last season, and we all know i'm not his biggest supporter. Where we're at now with the guy is making me actively dislike him instead of having some doubts.

If ASFN is representative of the fanbase, he's no longer our biggest star, but a guy who has us scratching our heads.

(Also haven't read past quoting this post, so apologies if I have more past this.)

 

[Solar7]

We’ve also seen Ayton come up big when it mattered most and his improvement has been really good

We’ve seen Kyler come up small really small in games where it mattered most

Yep. I dislike Kyler, but the difference between he and Ayton is that someone told Deandre to grow up, be great, and he's started responding. Kyler doesn't have anyone to tell him that his **** doesn't stink. And I'm not sure that he'd listen to that person if he had them.

Coach Kool sure isn't going to challenge him, he's been chasing him like a girl he saw on Palm Walk as a freshman since he was a teenager.

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

I wonder what the odds would’ve been 6 years ago regarding “who will become the worse franchise, suns or cards?”

 

[RON_IN_OC]

For people that don't understand the collective bargaining agreement, here is the language

• Multiple Pro Bowls: Players who are named to two or three Pro Bowls on the original ballot (not as an alternate) will be eligible for a fifth year base salary equal to the franchise tender at their position.

Upon being exercised, the fifth year option is fully guaranteed, and any base salary in the player's fourth year that was not fully guaranteed will become so.

So that is 45 million fully guaranteed after next year. All of it eating into the cap at once.

Over the years, listening to Vic Carucci on NFL radio, he always says once a team exercises the 5th year option, any extension needs to start at that 5th year amount. So, for Murray, $45 million is the floor, regardless of any previous offers talked about.

 

[BritCard]

Sure you could have. However, this organization needs to be MORE proactive than others, because they still don't know how to win.

Sure. Texans are such a power house of winning.

This is pure "Cards suck" rhetoric again. We have to be different because we suck. We don't and we aren't.

 

[Stout]

He’d be crazy to play without a long term contract. He would just sit out and it would be messy as all hell

That won't happen. That's lose/lose for KM. Now, he might ruin himself by sitting out most of training camp, but no way he loses game checks/tenure time.