A question

[Cbus cardsfan]

Back when he was draft eligible was there a clamoring for the Cards to take Charlie Ward? Because that's who the Cards would be drafting if they took Vince Young. They are very similar type players and played in a similar offense. FSU's offense was probably a bit more sophisticated but it was pretty much line Charlie up in the shotgun and have him make a play.FSU also won a National Championship doing this,so did Texas.Ward was the most athletic dual threat at QB in his day, so is Young.Ward was a late round pick that played in the NBA.Why is Young considered a top 10 pick?

People are defending Young left and right on this board. Somebody's even trying to claim he's an honor roll student.Well,if he's on the the honor roll at Texas, then Andy Katzenmoyer is valedictorian at Ohio State. Anyone who scores a 6,and i don't care if he was prepared or not, has some serious brainwave issues. People are saying Dan Marino had a 16.I'm sure, unlike Young, he came across as somewhat intelligent in interviews. Plus, he was a prototypical QB who ran a somewhat, for college, complex offense.

Lets's call Young what he is.He's a terrific athlete that has some serious issues at translating his game to the NFL level. He could be the next Randall Cunningham, who btw wasn't a top 10 pick, or the next Michael Bishop. Either way,i would hate to waste a top 10 pick on a guy with such collossal bust potential. I know all draft picks are potential busts but the Cards seem pretty close to contending for a playoff spot. Do we take a flyer on a guy who,at best,can play in 3 years and pass on a potential defensive rookie of the year candidate in Huff/Williams/Hawk who could help the Cards contend next year? I say that's an easy answer. NO.

 

[Card Trader]

VERY well said. Great post.

 

[BigDavis75]

I love Vince but I am always going to take the defensive playmaker.

 

[jefftheshark]

If Huff/Williams/Hawk are gone at 10, do the Cards have your permission to select Young?

The Shark

 

[Cbus cardsfan]

If Huff/Williams/Hawk are gone at 10, do the Cards have your permission to select Young?

The Shark

NO.

 

[Shogun]

VERY well said. Great post.

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[Crimson Warrior]

either young or cutler, whoever is still there at 10.

Got to man up a take the chance. sorry. Time to get a backbone.

 

[WildBB]

Back when he was draft eligible was there a clamoring for the Cards to take Charlie Ward? Because that's who the Cards would be drafting if they took Vince Young. They are very similar type players and played in a similar offense. FSU's offense was probably a bit more sophisticated but it was pretty much line Charlie up in the shotgun and have him make a play.FSU also won a National Championship doing this,so did Texas.Ward was the most athletic dual threat at QB in his day, so is Young.Ward was a late round pick that played in the NBA.Why is Young considered a top 10 pick?

People are defending Young left and right on this board. Somebody's even trying to claim he's an honor roll student.Well,if he's on the the honor roll at Texas, then Andy Katzenmoyer is valedictorian at Ohio State. Anyone who scores a 6,and i don't care if he was prepared or not, has some serious brainwave issues. People are saying Dan Marino had a 16.I'm sure, unlike Young, he came across as somewhat intelligent in interviews. Plus, he was a prototypical QB who ran a somewhat, for college, complex offense.

Lets's call Young what he is.He's a terrific athlete that has some serious issues at translating his game to the NFL level. He could be the next Randall Cunningham, who btw wasn't a top 10 pick, or the next Michael Bishop. Either way,i would hate to waste a top 10 pick on a guy with such collossal bust potential. I know all draft picks are potential busts but the Cards seem pretty close to contending for a playoff spot. Do we take a flyer on a guy who,at best,can play in 3 years and pass on a potential defensive rookie of the year candidate in Huff/Williams/Hawk who could help the Cards contend next year? I say that's an easy answer. NO.

Eagles fans were also decrying taking McNabb at #2 overall instead of R. Williams.

Are any of them complining now? Who has the potential to have his kind of impact?

When is this team going to address the QB situation seriously? What about the fans?

We're ready for the risk, IMO. No Guts, No Glory!

 

[Zeno]

Back when he was draft eligible was there a clamoring for the Cards to take Charlie Ward?

2 things....1) Ward stated publicly he wanted to play in the NBA and made it known to NFL teams not to draft him.
2) The NFL today is different than it was 10+ yrs ago. Most black QBs were considered "athletes" and not viable QBs...Moon and Cunningham (and to a much lesser extent Peete) the exceptions.

You are comparing 2 players based on 2 things...race and college football position. Different offenses, different types of players, different NFL.

I'm surprised you didn't bring up Andre Ware.

I'm not sure what to think about Young...he is an intriguing prospect, he improved every year in college but its also obvious he played in an offense that doesn't translate well to the NFL. He is a talented player and like McNair will probably need to sit a season or 2 but I see no reason to think he wouldn't try to become a pro QB--unless in interviews he comes across as someone not willing to put in the time to learn and can set his ego aside long enough to accomplish that. I haven't heard any details about his team interviews and I doubt we will but there is a reason 31 teams showed up to the workouts...he has potential to be something special.

 

[Duckjake]

Ward was the most athletic dual threat at QB in his day, so is Young.Ward was a late round pick that played in the NBA.

Ward is 6'2" 190lbs. Young is 6'5" and 230. Huge difference so to speak.

 

[sundevilscott]

2 things....1) Ward stated publicly he wanted to play in the NBA and made it known to NFL teams not to draft him.
2) The NFL today is different than it was 10+ yrs ago. Most black QBs were considered "athletes" and not viable QBs...Moon and Cunningham (and to a much lesser extent Peete) the exceptions.

You are comparing 2 players based on 2 things...race and college football position. Different offenses, different types of players, different NFL.

I'm surprised you didn't bring up Andre Ware.

VERY well said. Great post

 

[Diamondback Jay]

either young or cutler, whoever is still there at 10.

Got to man up a take the chance. sorry. Time to get a backbone.

Thank you very much.. My sediments exactly.

 

[Zeno]

Ward was the most athletic dual threat at QB in his day, so is Young.Ward was a late round pick that played in the NBA.Why is Young considered a top 10 pick?

Ward was not drafted at all.

He was hardly the dual threat that Young is...Ward had 339 yds rushing under 6 yds a carry and 4 TDs. Young had 1050 yds at 6.8 yds a carry and 12 TDs.

Ward averaged 7.97 yds per attempt. Young 9.34 ypa.

Bad comparison...aside from the obvious :cough:race:cough

 

[joeshmo]

Super Agetn Leigh Steinberg was on ESPN radio on the Dan Patrick show about the same time Youngs score came out.

He stated that 75% of the scores that we here for a player are not their first scores but rather the second go around for them. Its just that we dont here about those scores becuase they are private and for some reason Youngs score got released by an insider who should have never released it of which has not been verified yet by the way. Even the scores that are released may or may not be the correct scores in the first place as all Wonderlic scores are confidential only given to the teams. He went on to say really low scores were not that uncommon and after a day of prep raised their scores by a lot the next day. There is also no statistical correlation between the Wonderlic and a succesful QB, none what so ever.

Alex Smith had a 40 and took forever and is still trying to learn his team offense and playbook.
Joey Harrington got a 32.
And we all know the low scores tht did well.

I guess the only fault which is a pretty big one for Young is that he didnt prepare for it like 99% of the prospects, and the leadership surrounding him sucks. They didnt even want him nor prepare him for the 40 at his own pro day. It took proding from the stands for him to do it and with out the prep or stretching like most other guys. Becuase of it he had a lower then expected time when he could have had a under 4.5 easily. That i will fault him for but not the Wonderlic.

 

[ajcardfan]

Draft him if he's there at #10.

Every once in a while, a player comes along who is "outside the box". Sometimes they don't make it, but sometimes they do. Picks 1 to 3 is too much risk maybe, but he is a very acceptable risk at #10. I also don't agree that it will take 3 years for him to make an impact.

 

[joeshmo]

Thank you very much.. My sediments exactly.

As is mine. It is about time we stop side stepping the issue and stop trying to make a 3-7th rounder into a gem.

 

[ajcardfan]

Ward was not drafted at all.

He was hardly the dual threat that Young is...Ward had 339 yds rushing under 6 yds a carry and 4 TDs. Young had 1050 yds at 6.8 yds a carry and 12 TDs.

Ward averaged 7.97 yds per attempt. Young 9.34 ypa.

Bad comparison...aside from the obvious :cough:race:cough

Yep, the Ward comparison is very weak. Young is a physical freak of a QB.

 

[jefftheshark]

My "sediments" exactly.

I don't want to muddy the waters, but I am also in the draft Young camp. After the number of chances we have had to draft a difference maker at the QB position, and never taken them, to pass on a talent like Young would be asinine.

The Shark

 

[MaoTosiFanClub]

Bad comparison...aside from the obvious :cough:race:cough

Elephant in the room...

 

[seesred]

Again I don't believe he will be there at ten but if he is he one awesome athlete. Can't pass him up IMO.

GBR
40

 

[Goldfield]

Vince Young, on the Cards would get atleast one year to sit and learn. Then he would be throwing to Boldin & Fitz, While handing off to EDGE... That is a formula for success IMO.

His running would only make us unstoppable.

 

[Goldfield]

nice 7 repeat posts...

 

[kerouac9]

either young or cutler, whoever is still there at 10.

Got to man up a take the chance. sorry. Time to get a backbone.

Now, are you saying that because you've seen or heard something you liked about Cutler and he's your guy, or is this "we have to draft a quarterback in the first round eventually, some of the people on TV seem to like this guy, we might as well take him"? Because there's nothing that excites me about Jay Cutler, and I think that's the biggest indictment of why we should take him.

I wouldn't take Vince Young ahead of Hawk/Davis, but I would take him ahead of Huff/Cutler/J. Williams/Greenway.

 

[Crimson Warrior]

Now, are you saying that because you've seen or heard something you liked about Cutler and he's your guy, or is this "we have to draft a quarterback in the first round eventually, some of the people on TV seem to like this guy, we might as well take him"? Because there's nothing that excites me about Jay Cutler, and I think that's the biggest indictment of why we should take him.

I wouldn't take Vince Young ahead of Hawk/Davis, but I would take him ahead of Huff/Cutler/J. Williams/Greenway.

K9, i'm more of a casual observer of the draft. I won't pretend to be too knowledgeable about it.

But a lot of people whose opinions I respect consider him a top ten pick.

I saw he had a great pro day work out.

I mean, I think he has enough upside to warrant being picked at #10, and if he's there, I think we have to gamble that he'll turn out to be a good QB.

edit: if, somehow both young and cutler were still there, I agree that young should be the pick.

 

[Redrage]

How many of tha anit-Young crowd are also members of the Navarre is Qb of the Future sect?