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It is about roster spots, we just don't have many open ones. So why spend money on fringe talent?

QB (3)
*Only way we add one is in the draft.

RB (4)
*We have one open spot, unless the Cards want to replace Stepfan Taylor.

TE (3)
*One open spot to replace Greshem, but the Cards might like Momah or Christian enough to not add one.

WR (5)
*Maybe we could replace Jaron or add a 6th spot, but I'm not sure it will happen.

OL (9)
*We carried 10 last year, but I doubt we do this year. This owuld leave 3 open spots to replace Massie, Larsen, and Sendlein.

DL (8)
*Arians likes a rotation, and therefore, probably no open spots. Xavier Williams will probably get a look at the NT spot. They may draft a guy, but I imagine it would be early as they would want someone who could earn a spot.

OLB (5)
*Probably two open spots since they will need to replace Freeney and Woodley. Freeney obviously could be re-signed.

ILB (4)
*With Bucannon officially moved, they probaly want to add one, and then let Fua and Demens compete for the other.

CB (4)
*I am taking the one extra OL spot and moving it here. I'm guessing they want to have more than three active CBs. I will say two open spots.

S (5)
*Allocate one spot to replace Rashad rigth now, which would turn to two if Jefferson is signed. Clemons is a fringe player though.

ST (3)
*Need a long snapper.

So, this breaks down to 12 open spots to replace players we could lose.

1 RB
1 TE
3 OL
2 OLB
1 ILB
2 CB
1 S
1 LS

After that, you can argue that Clemons could easily be replaced along with Kareem Martin, Xavier Williams, and Stepfan Taylor. So, that leads to roughly 16 open spots for fringe players, free agents and draft picks to fight over. The Cards could also go with 8 linemen instead of my projected 9.

So, tops 17, open spots. At least 1 TE, 2 OL, 1 RB, 2 OLB, 1 ILB, 1 CB, 1 LS. 8 potentially open spots depending on position distribution. That being said, I imagine at least a few of the Momah, Christian, X Williams, S Riddick, A Fua, Demens, Martin, Wagenmann, Brooks, White and Eskridge find spots.

So, to be honest, the Cardinals don't have a ton of spots that they have to fill. Now, they will sign some players, but for those who are in panic mode, it's going to be all right. We have a deep roster, but the facts are that FA and the draft just isn't offering solutions for our biggest issue this year.
 

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my theory is they would like to fill most of those spots from the top down. Replacing the last guy on your depth chart does the team zero good.... replacing 1's or 2's on the other hand can make your team better....there was nobody we could get in FA to replace our 1's and 2's..maybe shouldn't say nobody we "could" get...but for one reason or another it didn't work out.

I will be surprised if our top three picks are not trench guys... NT, DE, OC/OG those are areas where we can replace guys from the top down,...and the last guy goes home.
 

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I have one too. At this point hope the rest of the NFC get's worse because we to this point have done nothing to get to the next step.
 

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So, to be honest, the Cardinals don't have a ton of spots that they have to fill. Now, they will sign some players, but for those who are in panic mode, it's going to be all right. We have a deep roster, but the facts are that FA and the draft just isn't offering solutions for our biggest issue this year.

These two statements are ridiculously contradictory. If we can't somehow find solutions for our glaring needs, it's not 'going to be all right' LOL I and other fans simply don't care that we're not being offered solutions--it is the front offices JOB to find those solutions, come hell or high water. If we want to win a Super Bowl, they MUST.
 

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I was going to post a similar thread and you handled it perfectly. The roster has depth and a number of young players the coaches are high on---in fact we may be surprised at how high the coaches are on players such as:

C Taylor Boggs
C Valerian Ume-Ezeoke
G Antoine McClain
G John Fullington
T Rob Crisp
T John Wetzel
TE Gerald Christian
TE Ifeanyi Momah
WR Kerwynn Williams
RB Marion Grice
WR Jaxson Shipley
NT Xavier Williams
DE Olsen Pierre
LB Alani Fua
LB Gabe Martin
LB Zack Wagenmann
LB Tristan Okpalaugo
LB Mike Reilly
CB Asa Jackson
CB Cariel Brooks
CB Joel Wilkinson
CB/S Shaun Prater
S Brandon Person
S Durell Eskridge

Some of these players are still long-shots to make the roster this year---but close to ten of these players are likely to make the team and be solid contributors.

BA said at the Combine that he really likes the offensive linemen they were developing on the PS. G Antoine McClain has been mentioned a few times.
 

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This is a quality thread! So frustrating that we couldn't sign an impact pass rusher but none that are difference makers hit the open market. JPP was a risk but the one with the most upside. I think he wanted to return the loyalty that the Giants showed him during is traumatic offseason last year.

Rest of the roster is more than solid and SK has a history of finding some great vets to give us a pop.
 

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I was going to post a similar thread and you handled it perfectly. The roster has depth and a number of young players the coaches are high on---in fact we may be surprised at how high the coaches are on players such as:

C Taylor Boggs
C Valerian Ume-Ezeoke
G Antoine McClain
G John Fullington
T Rob Crisp
T John Wetzel
TE Gerald Christian
TE Ifeanyi Momah
WR Kerwynn Williams
RB Marion Grice
WR Jaxson Shipley
NT Xavier Williams
DE Olsen Pierre
LB Alani Fua
LB Gabe Martin
LB Zack Wagenmann
LB Tristan Okpalaugo
LB Mike Reilly
CB Asa Jackson
CB Cariel Brooks
CB Joel Wilkinson
CB/S Shaun Prater
S Brandon Person
S Durell Eskridge

Some of these players are still long-shots to make the roster this year---but close to ten of these players are likely to make the team and be solid contributors.

BA said at the Combine that he really likes the offensive linemen they were developing on the PS. G Antoine McClain has been mentioned a few times.

Good points Mitch and Chopper.I think these guys stay.
Jaxson Shipley WR _PR-KR return guy
Rob Crisp and John Wetzel T
Gerald Christian 3rd TE- HBack behind Fells and Niklas
Xavier Williams NT rotation
Fua LB
Zach Wagenman OLB pass rusher
Shaun Prater CB vet with some NFL game experience

Momah TE PUP list or PS-stays Cards property because BASK like his potential


Center is still a position of need either FA or draft.Personally I would rather see drafting for players instead of overpaying for average guys.




My draft-guys who I think could be available when Cards pick
1.Emmanuel Ogbah OK ST DE-solid DE with Pass rush skills,not a 1 trick pony
2.kyler Fackrell Southern UTAH OLB-solid LB
3.William Jackson CB Houston-rookie to groom
4.Graham Glasgow C_G MICHIGAN
5.Matt Ioanndis DT TEMPLE- strong run stuffer
5.Corey James OLB Colorado STATE-undersized pass rush specialist
6.Jacoby Brissett QB anorth Carolina state-SK gets one every draft,
 

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Also numbers don't take into account 6-8 draft picks or UDFA will take up some of these roster spots. Very rarely do we draft and cut someone the same year.
 

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I think their FA philosophy is also to focus on players that will accept 1-yr contracts - or at least 1-year guarantees. The payoff is the $252,000 dead money figure for 2016. That's just insane. It has to be a record low. Of course the tradeoff is you don't land the big splash guys. But I think I like this tradeoff. I like that we finally get to utilize the full $155 mil salary cap. No more dead money for the Adam Snyders of the world. The list from 2015 is insane - 51 players for $12,263,906.

http://overthecap.com/salary-cap/arizona-cardinals/

The 2016 list is comical in comparison:

Logan Thomas - 216046
Rob Crisp - 10000
Jaxon Shipley - 6000
C.J. Roberts - 5334
Gannon Sinclair - 3334
Gabe Martin - 3000
Cariel Brooks - 2667
Glenn Carson - 2334
Andrae Kirk - 2000
Edwin Jackson - 1000
Paul Lasike - 334
TOTAL - 252049

Of course you have to wonder what the shelf life is for the 1-yr contract angle. Maybe it's BA. As long as he's around, we can get away with it?
 

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I think their FA philosophy is also to focus on players that will accept 1-yr contracts - or at least 1-year guarantees. The payoff is the $252,000 dead money figure for 2016. That's just insane. It has to be a record low. Of course the tradeoff is you don't land the big splash guys. But I think I like this tradeoff. I like that we finally get to utilize the full $155 mil salary cap. No more dead money for the Adam Snyders of the world. The list from 2015 is insane - 51 players for $12,263,906.

http://overthecap.com/salary-cap/arizona-cardinals/

The 2016 list is comical in comparison:

Logan Thomas - 216046
Rob Crisp - 10000
Jaxon Shipley - 6000
C.J. Roberts - 5334
Gannon Sinclair - 3334
Gabe Martin - 3000
Cariel Brooks - 2667
Glenn Carson - 2334
Andrae Kirk - 2000
Edwin Jackson - 1000
Paul Lasike - 334
TOTAL - 252049

Of course you have to wonder what the shelf life is for the 1-yr contract angle. Maybe it's BA. As long as he's around, we can get away with it?

WOW. Great information and very impressive job by our front office. I do expect there to be years when the dead money spikes up but hopefully that remains the exception.
 

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I think their FA philosophy is also to focus on players that will accept 1-yr contracts - or at least 1-year guarantees. The payoff is the $252,000 dead money figure for 2016. That's just insane. It has to be a record low. Of course the tradeoff is you don't land the big splash guys. But I think I like this tradeoff. I like that we finally get to utilize the full $155 mil salary cap. No more dead money for the Adam Snyders of the world. The list from 2015 is insane - 51 players for $12,263,906.

http://overthecap.com/salary-cap/arizona-cardinals/

The 2016 list is comical in comparison:

Logan Thomas - 216046
Rob Crisp - 10000
Jaxon Shipley - 6000
C.J. Roberts - 5334
Gannon Sinclair - 3334
Gabe Martin - 3000
Cariel Brooks - 2667
Glenn Carson - 2334
Andrae Kirk - 2000
Edwin Jackson - 1000
Paul Lasike - 334
TOTAL - 252049

Of course you have to wonder what the shelf life is for the 1-yr contract angle. Maybe it's BA. As long as he's around, we can get away with it?

That maybe the most impressive thing ever in regards to a philosophy great post
 
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These two statements are ridiculously contradictory. If we can't somehow find solutions for our glaring needs, it's not 'going to be all right' LOL I and other fans simply don't care that we're not being offered solutions--it is the front offices JOB to find those solutions, come hell or high water. If we want to win a Super Bowl, they MUST.

Meh...our team that went to the NFC Championship game will still lack a dominant edge rusher...it isn't contradictory, you can be a contender when having a hole in your roster. Lot's of teams have done it. The Broncos won the title with a fraction of the QB play that the Cardinals had. You seem like you are in panic mode, but the era of rosters without holes or weaknesses went away back in the mid 90's.
 
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I was going to post a similar thread and you handled it perfectly. The roster has depth and a number of young players the coaches are high on---in fact we may be surprised at how high the coaches are on players such as:

C Taylor Boggs
C Valerian Ume-Ezeoke
G Antoine McClain
G John Fullington
T Rob Crisp
T John Wetzel
TE Gerald Christian
TE Ifeanyi Momah
WR Kerwynn Williams
RB Marion Grice
WR Jaxson Shipley
NT Xavier Williams
DE Olsen Pierre
LB Alani Fua
LB Gabe Martin
LB Zack Wagenmann
LB Tristan Okpalaugo
LB Mike Reilly
CB Asa Jackson
CB Cariel Brooks
CB Joel Wilkinson
CB/S Shaun Prater
S Brandon Person
S Durell Eskridge

Some of these players are still long-shots to make the roster this year---but close to ten of these players are likely to make the team and be solid contributors.

BA said at the Combine that he really likes the offensive linemen they were developing on the PS. G Antoine McClain has been mentioned a few times.

I don't know about 10, but there will at least be a few that will take the step from PS to the bottom end of the roster.
 
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It is about roster spots, we just don't have many open ones. So why spend money on fringe talent?

QB (3)
*Only way we add one is in the draft.

RB (4)
*We have one open spot, unless the Cards want to replace Stepfan Taylor.

TE (3)
*One open spot to replace Greshem, but the Cards might like Momah or Christian enough to not add one.

WR (5)
*Maybe we could replace Jaron or add a 6th spot, but I'm not sure it will happen.

OL (9)
*We carried 10 last year, but I doubt we do this year. This owuld leave 3 open spots to replace Massie, Larsen, and Sendlein.

DL (8)
*Arians likes a rotation, and therefore, probably no open spots. Xavier Williams will probably get a look at the NT spot. They may draft a guy, but I imagine it would be early as they would want someone who could earn a spot.

OLB (5)
*Probably two open spots since they will need to replace Freeney and Woodley. Freeney obviously could be re-signed.

ILB (4)
*With Bucannon officially moved, they probaly want to add one, and then let Fua and Demens compete for the other.

CB (4)
*I am taking the one extra OL spot and moving it here. I'm guessing they want to have more than three active CBs. I will say two open spots.

S (5)
*Allocate one spot to replace Rashad rigth now, which would turn to two if Jefferson is signed. Clemons is a fringe player though.

ST (3)
*Need a long snapper.

So, this breaks down to 12 open spots to replace players we could lose.

1 RB
1 TE
3 OL
2 OLB
1 ILB
2 CB
1 S
1 LS

After that, you can argue that Clemons could easily be replaced along with Kareem Martin, Xavier Williams, and Stepfan Taylor. So, that leads to roughly 16 open spots for fringe players, free agents and draft picks to fight over. The Cards could also go with 8 linemen instead of my projected 9.

So, tops 17, open spots. At least 1 TE, 2 OL, 1 RB, 2 OLB, 1 ILB, 1 CB, 1 LS. 8 potentially open spots depending on position distribution. That being said, I imagine at least a few of the Momah, Christian, X Williams, S Riddick, A Fua, Demens, Martin, Wagenmann, Brooks, White and Eskridge find spots.

So, to be honest, the Cardinals don't have a ton of spots that they have to fill. Now, they will sign some players, but for those who are in panic mode, it's going to be all right. We have a deep roster, but the facts are that FA and the draft just isn't offering solutions for our biggest issue this year.

Gresham re-signing takes one roster spot, leaving 16 open spots. One of those could be taken from Momah or Christian as well, but we will see.
 

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The fact there are few desperate needs is precisely why they should have overpaid to improve the pass rush. Hayes or Ayers would have been affordable, sound additions.
 

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The fact there are few desperate needs is precisely why they should have overpaid to improve the pass rush. Hayes or Ayers would have been affordable, sound additions.

This was a terrible year for FAs. The only teams that spent big and/or overpaid were desperate, terrible teams to begin with.
 

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This was a terrible year for FAs. The only teams that spent big and/or overpaid were desperate, terrible teams to begin with.


I agree. What's the difference if we overpay for a guy who gets 8 sacks at most when we already have 2 guys on our team that will do it for less. There wasn't any elite pass rushers that hit the market this year, so instead of overpaying, Keim brought back some role players on the team and still has enough if he sees someone he likes. We still have the draft and there's a lot of raw talent in the field so hopefully we can find one and develop him and golden improves to convert those hurries into sacks.


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The fact there are few desperate needs is precisely why they should have overpaid to improve the pass rush. Hayes or Ayers would have been affordable, sound additions.

My issue with this thought is similar to my thoughts on the Texans signing Brock. He is better than what they had, but it doesn't mean that he is worth the money he is signing for. For most of the pass rushers, it is the same for me. What you are getting for your money is not worth it.
 

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Meh...our team that went to the NFC Championship game will still lack a dominant edge rusher...it isn't contradictory, you can be a contender when having a hole in your roster. Lot's of teams have done it. The Broncos won the title with a fraction of the QB play that the Cardinals had. You seem like you are in panic mode, but the era of rosters without holes or weaknesses went away back in the mid 90's.

I'm not in panic mode; I'm disappointed we're not putting our team over the top for a SB mode. I fully expect us to win our division again and have a high seed in the playoffs. At this point, I think we have very little real chance to actually win the big game.

The Broncos only won that title with a weak QB because their entire defense was historically dominant, like the Ravens did with Dilfer. If we can put up a fifty burger ever game on offense, I'd be more inclined we can overcome what is an abysmal pass rush situation and our glaring weaknesses in the front 7. And we haven't done anything to address those weaknesses either. We need a historically great offense to overcome that. So, okay, if there weren't the right options at edge rusher, there most certainly WERE options to vastly upgrade at C. We haven't availed ourselves of that either. So we'll plug along with an average running game, and we'll see what we saw in the playoffs last year--our offense getting shut down by those great defenses because it is too one-dimensional.

We have not made our team better thus far, and pinning all our hopes on the draft to do so is the way to fail, not to succeed. We'll still be good, but, at this point, I feel we lack the greatness necessary to win the big game.

The fact there are few desperate needs is precisely why they should have overpaid to improve the pass rush. Hayes or Ayers would have been affordable, sound additions.

I'm with you, Harry.
 

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I'm not in panic mode; I'm disappointed we're not putting our team over the top for a SB mode. I fully expect us to win our division again and have a high seed in the playoffs. At this point, I think we have very little real chance to actually win the big game.

The Broncos only won that title with a weak QB because their entire defense was historically dominant, like the Ravens did with Dilfer. If we can put up a fifty burger ever game on offense, I'd be more inclined we can overcome what is an abysmal pass rush situation and our glaring weaknesses in the front 7. And we haven't done anything to address those weaknesses either. We need a historically great offense to overcome that. So, okay, if there weren't the right options at edge rusher, there most certainly WERE options to vastly upgrade at C. We haven't availed ourselves of that either. So we'll plug along with an average running game, and we'll see what we saw in the playoffs last year--our offense getting shut down by those great defenses because it is too one-dimensional.

We have not made our team better thus far, and pinning all our hopes on the draft to do so is the way to fail, not to succeed. We'll still be good, but, at this point, I feel we lack the greatness necessary to win the big game.



I'm with you, Harry.

Some good points guys.
Drafting 29th Cards should have vthe choice of; Chris Jones DT Miss ST,Sheldon Rankins DT-DE Louisville,Emmanuel Ogbah DE Oklahoma st,Vernon Butler DT La-Tech,Noah Spence DE-LB EKU,Darron Lee OLB Hio State.All have some pass rush skills and are solid overall players.A smart selection of a solid player in Round ONE and then Round TWO take Best Center or Best CB depending on need.Round 3 Best CB or CENTER depending on RD 2.There will be many solid skilled players who fit needs for the Cards.Cards don`t need to draft RB,WR,TE,S,K,P,QB.
So that's 7 picks to improve C,DL,Pass rusher,CB.
Personally I would rather see a 4-3 defense instead of gimmicky 3-4 relying on blitzing to get pressure on QB.A pass rush can come up the inside and be just as disruptive.A solid DE who can show passrusher skills and hold his ground vs the run would make more pressure than just relying on CC and the blitz.More pressure from front 4 with some blitzing thrown in has to be more effective than having 3 DL stonewalled at the LOS and a LB trying to sack coming from outside.
 

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I'm not in panic mode; I'm disappointed we're not putting our team over the top for a SB mode. I fully expect us to win our division again and have a high seed in the playoffs. At this point, I think we have very little real chance to actually win the big game.

The Broncos only won that title with a weak QB because their entire defense was historically dominant, like the Ravens did with Dilfer. If we can put up a fifty burger ever game on offense, I'd be more inclined we can overcome what is an abysmal pass rush situation and our glaring weaknesses in the front 7. And we haven't done anything to address those weaknesses either. We need a historically great offense to overcome that. So, okay, if there weren't the right options at edge rusher, there most certainly WERE options to vastly upgrade at C. We haven't availed ourselves of that either. So we'll plug along with an average running game, and we'll see what we saw in the playoffs last year--our offense getting shut down by those great defenses because it is too one-dimensional.

We have not made our team better thus far, and pinning all our hopes on the draft to do so is the way to fail, not to succeed. We'll still be good, but, at this point, I feel we lack the greatness necessary to win the big game.



I'm with you, Harry.

That 'd' you're trashing gave up 19 pts a game, less than 100 on the ground. And that one dimensional '0' averaged over 100 yds a game on the ground and scored 31 per.

Would you have paid over $80m for a guy who totaled 7.5 sacks?

Don't know how we'll stack up in the playoffs, nor does anyone else.
 
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That 'd' you're trashing gave up 19 pts a game, less than 100 on the ground. And that one dimensional '0' averaged over 100 yds a game on the ground and scored 31 per.

Would you have paid over $80m for a guy who totaled 7.5 sacks?

Don't know how we'll stack up in the playoffs, nor does anyone else.

Correct. This team is also more talented than the team that went to the SB in 08. You don't need the best team on paper to go all of the way.
 
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I'm not in panic mode; I'm disappointed we're not putting our team over the top for a SB mode. I fully expect us to win our division again and have a high seed in the playoffs. At this point, I think we have very little real chance to actually win the big game.

The Broncos only won that title with a weak QB because their entire defense was historically dominant, like the Ravens did with Dilfer. If we can put up a fifty burger ever game on offense, I'd be more inclined we can overcome what is an abysmal pass rush situation and our glaring weaknesses in the front 7. And we haven't done anything to address those weaknesses either. We need a historically great offense to overcome that. So, okay, if there weren't the right options at edge rusher, there most certainly WERE options to vastly upgrade at C. We haven't availed ourselves of that either. So we'll plug along with an average running game, and we'll see what we saw in the playoffs last year--our offense getting shut down by those great defenses because it is too one-dimensional.

We have not made our team better thus far, and pinning all our hopes on the draft to do so is the way to fail, not to succeed. We'll still be good, but, at this point, I feel we lack the greatness necessary to win the big game.



I'm with you, Harry.

Yeah, panic mode was not an accurate statement. You seem more concerned with our deficiencies than I am is probably the more accurate way to describe it.

Here is where I start and end with our offseason.

We signed a more athletic S than we had in Jefferson, Johnson or Swearinger. I like that.

We lost Massie whose replacement was drafted last year, and I am confident that they would have paid what the Bears paid if they were concerned about Humphries.

We need to figure out the C, RG and swing OT spot, but Sendlein is still available, and so is Larsen. So, IMO, worst case we sign the guys we had or their similar talent level.

Our offensive skill groups is the same, so add 1 year of continuity, and full offseason for David Johnson. That is a good thing.

On defense, we didn't add an edge guy, but it isn't a great offseason for and edge player, so I am not mad we didn't throw money at it.

I want to see us draft a stud DE, but I also see that we need secondary players which the draft matches up well to provide.

Essentially, I want to see the following moves made. I want competition to be brought in for C or RG. I would like a vet RT brought in to backup Humphries. I would like to sign a starting vet CB. I would like our first round pick to be a DE, LB or CB. I would like two LBs drafted. I would like two DBs drafted. I would like one OL drafted.

If those moves are made, I will feel like we had pretty good offseason.
 

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Yeah, panic mode was not an accurate statement. You seem more concerned with our deficiencies than I am is probably the more accurate way to describe it.

Here is where I start and end with our offseason.

We signed a more athletic S than we had in Jefferson, Johnson or Swearinger. I like that.

We lost Massie whose replacement was drafted last year, and I am confident that they would have paid what the Bears paid if they were concerned about Humphries.

We need to figure out the C, RG and swing OT spot, but Sendlein is still available, and so is Larsen. So, IMO, worst case we sign the guys we had or their similar talent level.

Our offensive skill groups is the same, so add 1 year of continuity, and full offseason for David Johnson. That is a good thing.

On defense, we didn't add an edge guy, but it isn't a great offseason for and edge player, so I am not mad we didn't throw money at it.

I want to see us draft a stud DE, but I also see that we need secondary players which the draft matches up well to provide.

Essentially, I want to see the following moves made. I want competition to be brought in for C or RG. I would like a vet RT brought in to backup Humphries. I would like to sign a starting vet CB. I would like our first round pick to be a DE, LB or CB. I would like two LBs drafted. I would like two DBs drafted. I would like one OL drafted.

If those moves are made, I will feel like we had pretty good offseason.

You nailed it on the head with the opening statement there. Yeah, I think we have some gaping holes--not a ton, not even a lot, but a few--and to me it seems like we're standing pat rather than being proactive in dealing with those holes.

Counting on DJ as a sure-fire starter is nothing short of grossly irresponsible. Yes, if we get a vet RT that we KNOW can start, I will feel better, but it doesn't seem like that's in the cards. Saying we have a safety net of Larsen and Sendlein is saying it's okay, we can always take the same two steps backwards we took last season. It doesn't improve us; it only weakens us. I'm pretty meh on the safety signing, but that's not a position I'm terribly worried about, so I'm okay with it.

We have big deficiencies, in the front 7 and on the OL, and we aren't addressing them thus far, at all. This is my concern, dude :)
 
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