A treatise on dumb statements about Garnett for Stoudemire.

[The_Matrix]

#1 are you kidding? Amare makes MORE freethows, in much less playing time and not only that he is taking almost 5 shot attempts LESS per game.

So how many more free throws will Garnett take paired with Nash? And KG will shoot a higher percentage from the field, meaning less shot attempts needed.

#2 Wow, Amare scored most of his points against the Spurs when Steve Nash couldn't get anything going against Bowen. Amare scored on midrange Js or driving to the basket.. Nash had maybe 1 great pass per game that series.

Nash's 12.6 apg in the series were essential to Amare's success. No possible doubt.

Not to mention making great passes to someone requires 2 players. One who makes the pass and one who gets into positions where he can receive such a pass and catch it.

I agree, you need Marvin Harrison and Peyton Manning. But I think Peyton is much more important. Remember:

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Your final statement is ridiculous. Without Amare we were extremely lucky not to lose to a terrible Lakers team and a fluke Clippers team.

And if you want to go that way, Steve Nash played a worse series against the Spurs. His inability to guard anyone, consitently make stupid turnovers and disappearing for long stretches offensively killed the Suns.

I think this is the first time I've heard a someone, let alone a Suns fan trash Steve Nash over his effort these playoffs.

 

[sharkman]

Just curious...who was FIRST team all NBA THIS season....and who was THIRD team all NBA?

Amare was first team all NBA this season. Not to mention that he is younger...hasn't reached his potential...and at half the price. The Suns have the better team you say? Then Garnett's numbers should have been even better since he was his team's only option. But he can put the Suns over the top? Did he do it when he had Cassell, Sprewell and company? Garnett has done nothing post-season. Amare has....his stats were better than Duncan's (look them up).

I'd love to have Garnett on the Suns instead of Marion (and I love Marion)....but for Amare?

Nope.

 

[OldDirtMcGirt]

Please...

Duncan guards Garnett because with Garnett there is no danger of Garnett putting Duncan in foul trouble while when he guards Amare he has to foul him.

Your stats are ridiculous and false!

You took their stats from this season and put a wrong FG% next to it , plus you didn't put their mpg down because it hurts you argument.

Garnett 23ppg 15rpg 6apg 39%FG 44mpg
Duncan 19ppg 9rpg 3apg 63%FG 34mpg

Duncan KILLED Garnett. If the Minnesota Timberwolves were any decent and Duncan forced to play some more minutes his total stats would have been ridiculous against the Wolves at way over 60%FG.

Plus the Wolves like 90% of NBA team double team Tim Duncan. The Suns basically never did that.

You misread. For the final pair of statistics I took the past two years to see how Duncan did against Garnett recently. And looking at it over a career prospective when both of them were entering their prime (or when they were both like 24), Garnett typically played less minutes than Duncan.

And I would've posted Duncan's stats against Amare, but Amare almost never guards him, or else he'd be on the bench with three fouls in like a minute.

 

[OldDirtMcGirt]

Just curious...who was FIRST team all NBA THIS season....and who was THIRD team all NBA?

Amare was first team all NBA this season. Not to mention that he is younger...hasn't reached his potential...and at half the price. The Suns have the better team you say? Then Garnett's numbers should have been even better since he was his team's only option. But he can put the Suns over the top? Did he do it when he had Cassell, Sprewell and company? Garnett has done nothing post-season. Amare has....his stats were better than Duncan's (look them up).

I'd love to have Garnett on the Suns instead of Marion (and I love Marion)....but for Amare?

Nope.

Who played better this year? Kevin Garnett. The only reason Amare is on the first team is because there are no quality centers and Yao got hurt.

And how well has Amare done with Nash and Marion (which are about infinitely better than Cassell and Sprewell).

 

[SunsTzu]

And I would've posted Duncan's stats against Amare, but Amare almost never guards him, or else he'd be on the bench with three fouls in like a minute.

Actually the reverse is true for Duncan. Amare actually spends some time defending Duncan but TD rarely guards Amare for fear of foul trouble.

 

[sharkman]

And I would've posted Duncan's stats against Amare, but Amare almost never guards him, or else he'd be on the bench with three fouls in like a minute.

You must be in politics with your selective use of statistics. What has Garnett ever done in the post season? Even with Cassell and Sprewell? I can understand if you were pimping Kobe...a guy with a ring...but you are touting Garnett as the next messiah....only he has no credentials for that role.

At least Amare had better stats than Duncan...even more rebounds...

...but you are trying to convince the board to take Garnett over Amare with.....nothing more than opinion.

 

[SunsTzu]

And how well has Amare done with Nash and Marion (which are about infinitely better than Cassell and Sprewell).

It's Amare's fault those guys laid an egg against the Spurs? Guess what Nash and Marion will face the same problems against ths Spurs with KG on the team as they do with Amare on the team. Solution trade Marion for someone that can force SA to change the way they play the Suns.

 

[slinslin]

So how many more free throws will Garnett take paired with Nash? And KG will shoot a higher percentage from the field, meaning less shot attempts needed.

Please...

KG had Cassell in his best season ever and he was still the same player.

Garnett is a jumpshooter and doesn't nearly draw as many fouls as Amare, that is not going to change because of Steve Nash.

 

[OldDirtMcGirt]

You must be in politics with your selective use of statistics. What has Garnett ever done in the post season? Even with Cassell and Sprewell? I can understand if you were pimping Kobe...a guy with a ring...but you are touting Garnett as the next messiah....only he has no credentials for that role.

At least Amare had better stats than Duncan...even more rebounds...

...but you are trying to convince the board to take Garnett over Amare with.....nothing more than opinion.

Not really. Garnett is a better defender. That's not really an opinion, it's proven statistically, and through eight all NBA defensive teams compared to Amare's zero. Garnett is the better passer. He has what five assists per game compared to Amare's one. He doesn't get called out by team leaders about effort and hunger. This stuff is all pretty well documented.

And when has Nash ever done anything with this team? Sprewell and Cassell are pittance compared to what we have. Would you consider Nash to be a choker or less effective in the post season? Of course not (hopefully). You can't have it both ways.

 

[sharkman]

Who played better this year? Kevin Garnett. The only reason Amare is on the first team is because there are no quality centers and Yao got hurt.

You have to be joking right? Amare had the highest efficency rating of any player in the playoffs...any player...including Duncan, Kobe, LeBron...anyone. Period. Look it up.

http://www.nba.com/statistics/playe...litScope=GAME&qualified=N&yearsExp=-1&splitDD=

 

[YouJustGotSUNSD]

Make The Madness Stop


Amare FTW

 

[OldDirtMcGirt]

It's Amare's fault those guys laid an egg against the Spurs? Guess what Nash and Marion will face the same problems against ths Spurs with KG on the team as they do with Amare on the team. Solution trade Marion for someone that can force SA to change the way they play the Suns.

Nash didn't lay an egg. I was happy with his performance. You can't expect the world going against the second best perimeter defender in the world.

Agreed on Marion though. If we don't trade Amare I'll be fine, and I'll still think that we have a shot at the title. I just think we're better off with Garnett.

Oh, and it is Amare's fault for getting suspended for game five.

 

[OldDirtMcGirt]

You have to be joking right? Amare had the highest efficency rating of any player in the playoffs...any player...including Duncan, Kobe, LeBron...anyone. Period. Look it up.

http://www.nba.com/statistics/playe...litScope=GAME&qualified=N&yearsExp=-1&splitDD=

Okay? What's with this non sensical business.

Garnett had the better season.

 

[OldDirtMcGirt]

Please...

KG had Cassell in his best season ever and he was still the same player.

Garnett is a jumpshooter and doesn't nearly draw as many fouls as Amare, that is not going to change because of Steve Nash.

Cassell in his best season wasn't close to Nash as a playmaker. And Garnett can play inside and outside, especially with a guy like Nash who makes everybody better.

 

[sharkman]

Oh, and it is Amare's fault for getting suspended for game five.

True...but it's Stern's fault that Duncan wasn't suspended as well.

 

[The_Matrix]

Just curious...who was FIRST team all NBA THIS season....and who was THIRD team all NBA?

Amare was first team all NBA this season. Not to mention that he is younger...hasn't reached his potential...and at half the price. The Suns have the better team you say? Then Garnett's numbers should have been even better since he was his team's only option. But he can put the Suns over the top? Did he do it when he had Cassell, Sprewell and company? Garnett has done nothing post-season. Amare has....his stats were better than Duncan's (look them up).

I'd love to have Garnett on the Suns instead of Marion (and I love Marion)....but for Amare?

Nope.

Come on, try to be intelligent about this. Swap Garnett and send Amare to Minny or Atlanta and who's first team and who's third team? There's a certain point guard on the Suns who can make either big man First Team NBA. This is not hard to understand.

Garnett's numbers should be better when he has no point guard? Riiiight. Nah, I'd say Nash is better than Cassell and Marion/Barbosa is better than Wally/Sprewell. Can you disagree with that?

 

[SunsTzu]

Oh, and it is Amare's fault for getting suspended for game five.

A mistake I'd wager he will not repeat so it has no bearing on what will happen next year. The reason Nash was facing Bowen was because the Spurs were able to hide Parker on Marion.

 

[sharkman]

Okay? What's with this non sensical business.

Garnett had the better season.

1. Amare's stats were better.
2. Amare's team did better.
3. Amare was voted FIRST team all NBA...Garnett was THIRD team all NBA

In what world do you claim that Garnett had the better season...

...at least I backed my statement up with statistics...Amare had the highest efficiency rating (the benchmark used by many in the NBA to evaluate productivity on the court) of any player in the playoffs...period.

 

[slinslin]

Okay? What's with this non sensical business.

Garnett had the better season.

Regular Season doesn't mean ****. Anyone knows that Amare was getting more rest than normal, less touches than normal and probably was simply coasting through the regular season. We were winning the Pacific anyway.

 

[OldDirtMcGirt]

1. Amare's stats were better.
2. Amare's team did better.
3. Amare was voted FIRST team all NBA...Garnett was THIRD team all NBA

In what world do you claim that Garnett had the better season...

...at least I backed my statement up with statistics...Amare had the highest efficiency rating (the benchmark used by many in the NBA to evaluate productivity on the court) of any player in the playoffs...period.

1. What bizarro world do we live in where 20.4 PPG, 9.6 RPG, 1 APG are better than 22.4 PPG, 12.8 RPG, and 4.1 APG?

2. That's because the Wolves are a sorry excuse for a franchise and Garnett has nobody around him.

3. Only because Forward is the most stacked position in the league, Yao got injured, and all the other centers suck. Are you going to now tell me that Amare is better than LeBron because LeBron was second team?

 

[sharkman]

I'd love to have Garnett on the Suns...but I'll bet every team in the League would choose Amare over Garnett to be on their team...and if the rumors are true....it seems Minnesota would agree too...or else they wouldn't be asking for him.

 

[OldDirtMcGirt]

Regular Season doesn't mean ****. Anyone knows that Amare was getting more rest than normal, less touches than normal and probably was simply coasting through the regular season. We were winning the Pacific anyway.

You do realize if we were the number one seed we'd have won the championship right? The regular season means a hell of alot.

 

[slinslin]

1. What bizarro world do we live in where 20.4 PPG, 9.6 RPG, 1 APG are better than 22.4 PPG, 12.8 RPG, and 4.1 APG?

32mpg compared to 39mpg

About 10%FG difference, more blocks and steals..

 

[slinslin]

You do realize if we were the number one seed we'd have won the championship right? The regular season means a hell of alot.

LOL

We would still play the Spurs in the WCF.

The regular season means nothing, the Spurs beat us in 2005 and 2007 despite us having homecourt. Really homecourt is overrated when 2 even teams play each other. I would want to say that not having homecourt is even an advantage because you can first go and play 2 on the road and if you only win 1 you can basically close out the series at home.
(Take the comparison to soccer, in the championsleague, EVERY team prefers to play the 2nd game at home and the first on the road).

The only reason homecourt teams have such an overwhelming record in the playoffs is simply because most of the time the team with homecourt is simply the much better team.

 

[OldDirtMcGirt]

LOL

We would still play the Spurs in the WCF.

The Mavericks would have beaten the Spurs in the second round. At least that's the way I look at it.