AAAAHHHHHH!!!!!! So damn exicted...

[Cheesebeef]

You have no freaking CLUE what I'm talking about! You see me mention the word "Marion" and you AUTOMATICALLY assume I'm saying something stupid based on my fictitious unrealistic view of him.

He has earned his money as the most underrated player in the NBA, and all you can think about is how good it would be to trade the guy for freaking Kyle Korver and Samuel Dalembert!

Then enlighten me here if I have no clue? You said Marion was the BEST regular season player for the Suns - did you not? I said that's hogwash - which it is. You then said I couldn't be objective - based on what - I have no idea. Then you say above that "all I can think about is how good it would be to trade for the guy for freaking Kyle Korver and SD" when in reality - what I said " I'VE GOT NO PROBLEM BEING AGAINST THAT TRADE" and then said I WOULD do a Magloire and #1 though - with the inference being (and maybe inferences are something you don't understand) that I wouldn't do the first idea but WOULD do the second.

Dude - I think you have serious issues with me and if that's the case maybe you shouldn't respond to what I'm saying because you obviously aren't reading what I'm writing. But if you are - I'm going to continue to call you on on the mis-representations you make.

 

[Cheesebeef]

don't you mean to say "I HATE that MY FAVORITE PLAYER... - best regular season player? Yeah - he was better than the MVP and the best Center in the game this year. Come on Chap. I've got no problme being against that trade, but saying Shawn was the best player in the regular season is ridiculous.

is this where "all I can think about is how good it would be to trade the guy for freaking Kyle Korver and Samuel Dalembert!" Is it where I say "I have no problem being against the trade"? Is that where apparently I am thinking about how great it would be to have SD and Korver?

Dude - you need to take a deep breath, chill and do something that is VERY hard for you to do - admit you were wrong.

 

[Chaplin]

Best center of the year and MVP--MVP obviously is true, but best Center? I love Amare, but come on. Shawn was a better player in the regular season than Amare was. Steve definitely was the MVP and he made the engine run, but does that make him a better player? No it doesn't. The MVP isn't an award for the BEST player, it's for the MOST VALUABLE.

The playoffs, however, are a different animal. Amare dominated and was EASILY better than Marion, no question. Marion was in a major slump. But that doesn't take away the fact that Marion is a great player, and isn't call for you to automatically make the assumption that everything I say about him is homerism. It's just plain wrong and disrespectful.

 

[Cheesebeef]

Best center of the year and MVP--MVP obviously is true, but best Center? I love Amare, but come on. Shawn was a better player in the regular season than Amare was. Steve definitely was the MVP and he made the engine run, but does that make him a better player? No it doesn't. The MVP isn't an award for the BEST player, it's for the MOST VALUABLE.

The playoffs, however, are a different animal. Amare dominated and was EASILY better than Marion, no question. Marion was in a major slump. But that doesn't take away the fact that Marion is a great player, and isn't call for you to automatically make the assumption that everything I say about him is homerism. It's just plain wrong and disrespectful.

I meant to say 2nd best C this year (my bad on that misprint) which he was. He PLAYED CENTER - he was NBA ALL-2ND TEAM - AT CENTER - that's what position he played and I still think it's ridiculous to say that Shawn was the best regular season player. And I don't think EVERYTHING you say about him is homerism - but when you call him our best player - IMO I think that's ajoke and I think it's your homerism clouding your judgement. It's not disrespectful - it's the truth.

 

[Dr. Dumas]

Ranks #3 in the NBA in Rebounds Per Game(11.3) Ranks #4 in the NBA in Steals Per Game(2.01)
Ranks #9 in the NBA in Minutes Per Game(38.8) Ranks #7 in the NBA in Minutes Played(3146.0)
Ranks #14 in the NBA in Field Goals Made(613.0) Ranks #17 in the NBA in Field Goal Attempts(1289.0)
Ranks #15 in the NBA in Offensive Rebounds(235.0) Ranks #16 in the NBA in Offensive Rebounds Per Game(2.9)
Ranks #2 in the NBA in Defensive Rebounds(680.0) Ranks #3 in the NBA in Defensive Rebounds Per Game(8.4)
Ranks #2 in the NBA in Total Rebounds(915.0) Ranks #4 in the NBA in Steals(163.0)
Ranks #18 in the NBA in Blocks(119.0) Ranks #19 in the NBA in Points(1569.0)
Ranks #1 in the NBA in Steals Per Turnover(1.3) Ranks #2 in the NBA in Double-doubles(53.0)
Ranks #14 in the NBA in Defensive Rebounds Per 48 Minutes(10.4) Ranks #19 in the NBA in Rebounds Per 48 Minutes(14.0)
Ranks #13 in the NBA in Steals Per 48 Minutes(2.49) Ranks #5 in the NBA in Total Efficiency Points(2073.0)
Ranks #5 in the NBA in Efficiency Ranking(25.59) Ranks #8 in the NBA in Efficiency Ranking Per 48 Minutes(31.63)

enough said-

 

[Chaplin]

Ranks #3 in the NBA in Rebounds Per Game(11.3) Ranks #4 in the NBA in Steals Per Game(2.01)
Ranks #9 in the NBA in Minutes Per Game(38.8) Ranks #7 in the NBA in Minutes Played(3146.0)
Ranks #14 in the NBA in Field Goals Made(613.0) Ranks #17 in the NBA in Field Goal Attempts(1289.0)
Ranks #15 in the NBA in Offensive Rebounds(235.0) Ranks #16 in the NBA in Offensive Rebounds Per Game(2.9)
Ranks #2 in the NBA in Defensive Rebounds(680.0) Ranks #3 in the NBA in Defensive Rebounds Per Game(8.4)
Ranks #2 in the NBA in Total Rebounds(915.0) Ranks #4 in the NBA in Steals(163.0)
Ranks #18 in the NBA in Blocks(119.0) Ranks #19 in the NBA in Points(1569.0)
Ranks #1 in the NBA in Steals Per Turnover(1.3) Ranks #2 in the NBA in Double-doubles(53.0)
Ranks #14 in the NBA in Defensive Rebounds Per 48 Minutes(10.4) Ranks #19 in the NBA in Rebounds Per 48 Minutes(14.0)
Ranks #13 in the NBA in Steals Per 48 Minutes(2.49) Ranks #5 in the NBA in Total Efficiency Points(2073.0)
Ranks #5 in the NBA in Efficiency Ranking(25.59) Ranks #8 in the NBA in Efficiency Ranking Per 48 Minutes(31.63)

enough said-

Pretty good resume there.

I think YOUR homerism, cheese, for Amare and Nash has clouded what the statistics CLEARLY show.

 

[Cheesebeef]

Pretty good resume there.

I think YOUR homerism, cheese, for Amare and Nash has clouded what the statistics CLEARLY show.

I'm not saying Marion ISN'T A GOOD PLAYER Chap - there's a difference - Marion was a KEY cog of the team but to argue that he was the best regular season player over the MVP and the 2nd All-NBA Team C - the two guys who made the offense move because of a list of statistics is ridiculous.

Besides - even if using your ridiculous idea that Marion was THE BEST REGULAR SEASON PLAYER - that don't mean squat if you curl up in the fetal position once you get to the biggest point of the season.

 

[Chaplin]

I'm not saying Marion ISN'T A GOOD PLAYER Chap - there's a difference - Marion was a KEY cog of the team but to argue that he was the best regular season player over the MVP and the 2nd All-NBA Team C - the two guys who made the offense move because of a list of statistics is ridiculous.

Besides - even if using your ridiculous idea that Marion was THE BEST REGULAR SEASON PLAYER - that don't mean squat if you curl up in the fetal position once you get to the biggest point of the season.

Why can't you say "I disagree" and leave it at that? Must you get personal? I don't understand, maybe it's because we've met in person, I'm not sure. But there's no need for you to be an a-hole in every single post you ever write. Seriously.

 

[Cheesebeef]

I'm still waiting to see where I was salivating over the SD and Korver trade? Got a list of statistics to back that whopper up Chap?

 

[Chaplin]

I'm still waiting to see where I was salivating over the SD and Korver trade? Got a list of statistics to back that whopper up Chap?

It was simply an implication--I disagreed with that trade saying that Marion is worth more, you started in with your little tirade about how Marion isn't worth as much as I think, blah, blah, blah. If you disagree with the trade, maybe you should have said it, and maybe I shouldn't have implied it--but stop your whining.

 

[Joe Mama]

The biggest problem with that trade (Dalembert and Korver for Marion) is that I don't think either team would do it... at least not this summer. As much as I like Shawn Marion I actually think that trade would probably help the Phoenix Suns. Dalembert is a young Marcus Camby without the serious injury problems. There are questions about his health, but he doesn't have the record that can be does. Korver would kill as a three-point shooter on this Phoenix Suns team.

I think Dalembert is going to get a near maximum contract offer from somebody. If he doesn't he should consider a lawsuit against Jim O'Brien for tanking his value. I just don't see Philadelphia willing to trade away their big man and popular three-point specialist for a small forward. I know Shawn Marion isn't just another small forward, but he doesn't create his own shot.

The Phoenix Suns are not going to trade Shawn Marion this year. They are going to keep this core of players together, work on defense, and strengthen the bench. These trade ideas just aren't going to happen anytime soon.

Joe Mama

 

[Chaplin]

The biggest problem with that trade (Dalembert and Korver for Marion) is that I don't think either team would do it... at least not this summer. As much as I like Shawn Marion I actually think that trade would probably help the Phoenix Suns. Dalembert is a young Marcus Camby without the serious injury problems. There are questions about his health, but he doesn't have the record that can be does. Korver would kill as a three-point shooter on this Phoenix Suns team.

I think Dalembert is going to get a near maximum contract offer from somebody. If he doesn't he should consider a lawsuit against Jim O'Brien for tanking his value. I just don't see Philadelphia willing to trade away their big man and popular three-point specialist for a small forward. I know Shawn Marion isn't just another small forward, but he doesn't create his own shot.

The Phoenix Suns are not going to trade Shawn Marion this year. They are going to keep this core of players together, work on defense, and strengthen the bench. These trade ideas just aren't going to happen anytime soon.

Joe Mama

You actually think that Dalembert deserves a new max contract?

 

[JS22]

Best center of the year and MVP--MVP obviously is true, but best Center? I love Amare, but come on. Shawn was a better player in the regular season than Amare was. Steve definitely was the MVP and he made the engine run, but does that make him a better player? No it doesn't. The MVP isn't an award for the BEST player, it's for the MOST VALUABLE.

The playoffs, however, are a different animal. Amare dominated and was EASILY better than Marion, no question. Marion was in a major slump. But that doesn't take away the fact that Marion is a great player, and isn't call for you to automatically make the assumption that everything I say about him is homerism. It's just plain wrong and disrespectful.

The questions is, would you rather have a player that does great in the regular season, but faulters against any defense that is average or better? Or, would you rather win a few less games, play a SLIGHTLY more traditional game, and have a team that is built for the playoffs?

I love Marion just as much as the next guy, but his 38 points 15 rebounds one game, followed by a 5 point 10 rebound game the next kinda pisses me off. He cannot create for himself AT ALL. If the Suns arent running, then he is just a slightly below average offensive player who can get 10 rebounds.

It's only going to get worse as he ages, and that max contract is going to look worse also. I hope he proves me wrong next season.

 

[Chaplin]

The questions is, would you rather have a player that does great in the regular season, but faulters against any defense that is average or better? Or, would you rather win a few less games, play a SLIGHTLY more traditional game, and have a team that is built for the playoffs?

I love Marion just as much as the next guy, but his 38 points 15 rebounds one game, followed by a 5 point 10 rebound game the next kinda pisses me off. He cannot create for himself AT ALL. If the Suns arent running, then he is just a slightly below average offensive player who can get 10 rebounds.

It's only going to get worse as he ages, and that max contract is going to look worse also. I hope he proves me wrong next season.

Maybe the fact that he was defended by Bruce Bowen and had to defend Tim Duncan had something to do with his poor production in the last round of the playoffs?

 

[JS22]

The biggest problem with that trade (Dalembert and Korver for Marion) is that I don't think either team would do it... at least not this summer. As much as I like Shawn Marion I actually think that trade would probably help the Phoenix Suns. Dalembert is a young Marcus Camby without the serious injury problems. There are questions about his health, but he doesn't have the record that can be does. Korver would kill as a three-point shooter on this Phoenix Suns team.

I think Dalembert is going to get a near maximum contract offer from somebody. If he doesn't he should consider a lawsuit against Jim O'Brien for tanking his value. I just don't see Philadelphia willing to trade away their big man and popular three-point specialist for a small forward. I know Shawn Marion isn't just another small forward, but he doesn't create his own shot.

The Phoenix Suns are not going to trade Shawn Marion this year. They are going to keep this core of players together, work on defense, and strengthen the bench. These trade ideas just aren't going to happen anytime soon.

Joe Mama

Oh, I agree 100%. But it's kinda fun to see some action on this board. Its going to be a loooooooooong offseason, with nothing but proposed trades..should be interesting.

 

[Cheesebeef]

It was simply an implication--I disagreed with that trade saying that Marion is worth more, you started in with your little tirade about how Marion isn't worth as much as I think, blah, blah, blah. If you disagree with the trade, maybe you should have said it, and maybe I shouldn't have implied it--but stop your whining.

an implication that FLEW in the face of EXACTLY what I wrote - that's the problem here Chap - you were being a jerk because you made a ridiculous statement and had to battle it by making something up. It was YOU who started things out by saying how sick you were of me - after all I did was offer an opinion (one that would be shared by most people that the idea that Shawn was a better player than Amar eor Nash was ridiculous). You were wrong - it happens - a lot - now apologize and get over it. I'm not whining - I mean it's not like I'm gonna go pick up my ball and start another board or something.

 

[Cheesebeef]

Maybe the fact that he was defended by Bruce Bowen and had to defend Tim Duncan had something to do with his poor production in the last round of the playoffs?

sorry - but the first two games HUnter was playing 30 minutes a game and I don't think he was out there guarding Mohammed. So - your second argument doens't hold water. And even after that Amare was matched-up on Duncan for most of the rest of the series. After that - I'll give Bowen some credit but to just be a complete ghost out there on offense is just as much on Shawn as it is on Bowen - especially when Bowen was switched on to JJ and Shawn still couldn't do jack squat. Oh - and he played terrible D on Ginobli as well.

 

[JS22]

an implication that FLEW in the face of EXACTLY what I wrote - that's the problem here Chap - you were being a jerk because you made a ridiculous statement and had to battle it by making something up. It was YOU who started things out by saying how sick you were of me - after all I did was offer an opinion (one that would be shared by most people that the idea that Shawn was a better player than Amar eor Nash was ridiculous). You were wrong - it happens - a lot - now apologize and get over it. I'm not whining - I mean it's not like I'm gonna go pick up my ball and start another board or something.

That was a low blow.

Hey Chap, don't leave. I like having you around, you have always been one of the more interesting posters on this board. It was kinda dull when you left.

 

[Cheesebeef]

That was a low blow.

Hey Chap, don't leave. I like having you around, you have always been one of the more interesting posters on this board. It was kinda dull when you left.

Relax - I'm not telling Chap to leave - just pointing out what real whining is. I like these spirited debates.

 

[ajcardfan]

Relax - I'm not telling Chap to leave - just pointing out what real whining is. I like these spirited debates.

Chap vs. cheese:

Please stop, someone is going to get hurt!

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[playstation]

*in Dave Chapelle/Rick James voice*

THAT'S RIGHT *******! I SAID 70 WINS!

 

[Joe Mama]

You actually think that Dalembert deserves a new max contract?

that's not what I wrote. I said I think that Dalembert will get a near maximum offer from somebody. Do I think he's worth it? I think young, athletic centers who can dominate the boards and block shots are getting huge contracts because they are few and far between. As much as I like JJ I think the team would probably be better next year if they spent the same money (not possible I realize) on Dalembert that they will probably have to spend on JJ.

Joe Mama

 

[JS22]

Relax - I'm not telling Chap to leave - just pointing out what real whining is. I like these spirited debates.

Me too.

 

[Chaplin]

that's not what I wrote. I said I think that Dalembert will get a near maximum offer from somebody. Do I think he's worth it? I think young, athletic centers who can dominate the boards and block shots are getting huge contracts because they are few and far between. As much as I like JJ I think the team would probably be better next year if they spent the same money (not possible I realize) on Dalembert that they will probably have to spend on JJ.

Joe Mama

I know you didn't say that, but I'm just trying to understand what you DO think about Dalembert getting a near max contract. Foyle got one of those last year, and we all know what happened there.

 

[Chaplin]

sorry - but the first two games HUnter was playing 30 minutes a game and I don't think he was out there guarding Mohammed. So - your second argument doens't hold water. And even after that Amare was matched-up on Duncan for most of the rest of the series. After that - I'll give Bowen some credit but to just be a complete ghost out there on offense is just as much on Shawn as it is on Bowen - especially when Bowen was switched on to JJ and Shawn still couldn't do jack squat. Oh - and he played terrible D on Ginobli as well.

As much as I wish he scored more, he did have double digit rebounding in 3 of the 5 games, with the other 2 having 9. That's not being a ghost. And that's no reason to all of a sudden turn him into the scapegoat of everything you dislike about the Suns.

And PLEASE, for the love of God, stop with the personal attacks!