Adam Schefter Feels Cards May Not Pay Kolb's Bonus

[Cardsfanstl]

Wrong, for almost the entire off season to be missed Kolb would have had to miss almost all of Camp and all the Pre Season games. You guys act like Kolb arrived from Philadelphia just in time for kickoff of the Panthers game.

A couple of things I don't understand:

If the OTAs are so important why did the players and teams agree to have them reduced in he new CBA?

If Kolb needed more time to learn the offense why wasn't he playing more in the Pre Season games?

Lets see. Off season is a lot more than just camp and preseason games. You are forgeting the OTA's the mini camps and coaches could not have contact with the players during the lock out. All valuable time for a QB to work with the coaches to learn a new system. I am not saying Kolb is going to go lights out now that he will be able to work with coaches for a whole offseason. Just pointing out due to the labor fight it might have hindered his development.

 

[ASUCHRIS]

Now, a healthy David Garrard...?

Interesting idea...far better than either of our current options.

 

[JAB]

I don't find the report hard to believe. Kevin Kolb averages about 5 million less a season in his contract than Peyton Manning currently does. Kevin Kolb has 14 career starts and has had 4 injuries over that time. Two of which were concussions. It's my personal opinion that if the organization is considering cutting ties with Kolb It has more to do with his health than anything else. It is also my opinion, if we are going to roll the dice on an unhealthy quarterback it might as well be Peyton Manning over Kevin Kolb.

 

[cardsfanmd]

Except winning.

Are you really trying to say that we won because of Skelton? The facts are what they are, the offense scored more points when Kolb was in even though they started with considerably worse field position on average than they did with Skelton and the D gave up more points when Kolb was the QB even though we scored more. Kolb had a significantly better QB Rating, better TD/Int ratio and less turnovers. All while playing with 1 year and a 1/2 less time to learn the O and while playing injured. This is a no brainer.

 

[cardsfanmd]

I watched every snap and 100% disagree with you.

He was playing hurt the entire season? I saw him play injured once and sit the rest.

Watch the games.

As if the other comments weren't ridiculous enough, this solidifies that you just don't know what you're talking about.

 

[RugbyMuffin]

Are you really trying to say that we won because of Skelton? The facts are what they are, the offense scored more points when Kolb was in even though they started with considerably worse field position on average than they did with Skelton and the D gave up more points when Kolb was the QB even though we scored more. Kolb had a significantly better QB Rating, better TD/Int ratio and less turnovers. All while playing with 1 year and a 1/2 less time to learn the O and while playing injured. This is a no brainer.

Agreed. It IS a no brainer.

Skelton won more. It is an easy stat to see. I don't even need a paragraphs of what have you's, stats, and explanations.

He just won.

If you want the reasons I think Doube Deuce is better, then go read one of the 50 explanations. Besides that ? I could really care less if you think I am insane for thinking this. Wouldn't be the first time, and certainly not the last time we disagreed on something that was so amazingingly factual and right in your mind.

 

[BigRedRage]

As if the other comments weren't ridiculous enough, this solidifies that you just don't know what you're talking about.

really? He got the foot injury and sat out for weeks. Once healthy he came in played dallas and then got a concussion vs SF.

How is that playing injured? he missed half the season that is not "playing injured"

Seems pretty simple to me.

 

[RugbyMuffin]

As if the other comments weren't ridiculous enough, this solidifies that you just don't know what you're talking about.

I was thinking the same thing.

 

[kerouac9]

Cardinals are the best fit.

Manning isn't looking for a big Market team or else he would've left Indy years ago. I'm pretty sure he wants to have a great relationship with the coach. What better relationship when you golfing with one of them(Whiz). Nice weather and stadium.√ Top 1-3 Wr in the Game√. Everyone saying its about the money, but wasn't Manning going to take a paycut to try and retain other players so that leaves out Tue money part. Now its down to health. Peyton knows his body better than anyone else does,and if.he thinks he can play, I believe him.

So that being said. Plz let Peyton Manning come to the cardinals.

Wouldn't Miami be a better fit?

1) Playing in a conference that he's familiar with
2) Playing with a better offensive line
3) Playing with a better rushing attack
4) Playing with a Top 10 WR (Brandon Marshall)
5) Small media market

You can make the argument that the Cards have the better defense, but there's no question that the Fins would be better able to protect Manning from taking hits.

 

[RugbyMuffin]

Good God, no. Leftwich had a hard enough time staying upright with that LOOOOOOOONNNNGGGG delivery in an offense with a good OL.

Now, a healthy David Garrard...?

In reality ?

Enter any re-tread starting QB in the blank.

But, don't worry, we are INSANE for talking about such things cause Kevin Kolb is the man, and we are just too dumb to notice.

Look, all Kolb has to do is:

1. Work on his footwork.
2. Show more patience in the pocket.
3. Improve accuracy on passes over the middle.
4. Improve accuracy on passes to the sideline.
5. Make better decisions.
6. Make better reads.
7. Get in the weight room to be in better shape for the pounded he will take.
8. Get a Jon Beebe football helmet to help with the concussion situation.
9. Learn the offense better.
10. Get better timing with the offense.

Plus he is ONLY going to be 28 years old. Plenty of time to let him develop, and since he doesn't count too much against the cap, who cares how long it take for him to get to where he needs to be.

Frickin' shoe in for MVP next season. I cannot believe I still want John Skelton to start. I must be fricking dumb as a brick.

 

[Phrazbit]

Yes, I am sure missing some training camp and OTAs explain all of Kolb's troubles... as long as you ignore that he put up virtually the exact same numbers in Philly and was making all the same mistakes AND losing at a rate far exceeding his team's winning percentage... all in a system he spent 4 years in.

Kolb is who he is. He is not going to magically change into a competent, winning, healthy QB.

 

[RugbyMuffin]

Yes, I am sure missing some training camp and OTAs explain all of Kolb's troubles... as long as you ignore that he put up virtually the exact same numbers in Philly and was making all the same mistakes AND losing at a rate far exceeding his team's winning percentage... all in a system he spent 4 years in.

Kolb is who he is. He is not going to magically change into a competent, winning, healthy QB.

Agreed.

But I will say this, even with all my highly sarcastic remarks, and my countless posts about my opinion that Kolb will never be starter material, if he were to show up and play solid for this team next year I would be exstatic.

I just don't see that happening, and don't see any reason why that would change.

Furthermore, I do think Skelton could become a solid starter, but that is strictly opinion, and speculation. I don't have too much to prove it, other than wins, what I saw the guy do in games and potential.

 

[BigRedRage]

Agreed.

But I will say this, even with all my highly sarcastic remarks, and my countless posts about my opinion that Kolb will never be starter material, if he were to show up and play solid for this team next year I would be exstatic.

I just don't see that happening, and don't see any reason why that would change.

Furthermore, I do think Skelton could become a solid starter, but that is strictly opinion, and speculation. I don't have too much to prove it, other than wins, what I saw the guy do in games and potential.

+10 but that opinion apparently means you have no idea what you are talking about.

 

[40yearfan]

In reality ?

Enter any re-tread starting QB in the blank.

But, don't worry, we are INSANE for talking about such things cause Kevin Kolb is the man, and we are just too dumb to notice.

Look, all Kolb has to do is:

1. Work on his footwork.
2. Show more patience in the pocket.
3. Improve accuracy on passes over the middle.
4. Improve accuracy on passes to the sideline.
5. Make better decisions.
6. Make better reads.
7. Get in the weight room to be in better shape for the pounded he will take.
8. Get a Jon Beebe football helmet to help with the concussion situation.
9. Learn the offense better.
10. Get better timing with the offense.

Plus he is ONLY going to be 28 years old. Plenty of time to let him develop, and since he doesn't count too much against the cap, who cares how long it take for him to get to where he needs to be.

Frickin' shoe in for MVP next season. I cannot believe I still want John Skelton to start. I must be fricking dumb as a brick.

Mind if I borrow that?

 

[Russ Smith]

I think Kolb's concussions are a HUGE deal inside the office. Kolbs last concussion he struggled a long time....and you can be the DR's said....this isn't good for long term.

Kolb is better IMO than Skelton -

Looks like they are willing to bet the farm on Manning....and I'm with em'. If we get Peyton...I'm gonna dance dance dance and drink till I pass out.

Yep I agree I think Kolb is the better QB and probably will be going forward but his concussion issue is now huge. When he openly admitted he was still foggy right there at the end of the season I think the warning light came on for the Cards we better be sure this guy is going to be able to play next year before we commit to him.

 

[Crazy Canuck]

In reality ?

Enter any re-tread starting QB in the blank.

But, don't worry, we are INSANE for talking about such things cause Kevin Kolb is the man, and we are just too dumb to notice.

Look, all Kolb has to do is:

1. Work on his footwork.
2. Show more patience in the pocket.
3. Improve accuracy on passes over the middle.
4. Improve accuracy on passes to the sideline.
5. Make better decisions.
6. Make better reads.
7. Get in the weight room to be in better shape for the pounded he will take.
8. Get a Jon Beebe football helmet to help with the concussion situation.
9. Learn the offense better.
10. Get better timing with the offense.

Plus he is ONLY going to be 28 years old. Plenty of time to let him develop, and since he doesn't count too much against the cap, who cares how long it take for him to get to where he needs to be.

Frickin' shoe in for MVP next season. I cannot believe I still want John Skelton to start. I must be fricking dumb as a brick.

Look, all Skelton has to do is:

1. Work on his footwork.
2. Improve accuracy on passes over the middle.
3. Improve accuracy on passes to the sideline.
4. Make better decisions.
5. Make better reads.
6. Get better timing with the offense.
7. Show up in the first half

 

[BigRedRage]

Look, all Skelton has to do is:

1. Work on his footwork.
2. Improve accuracy on passes over the middle.
3. Improve accuracy on passes to the sideline.
4. Make better decisions.
5. Make better reads.
6. Get better timing with the offense.
7. Show up in the first half

skeltons list is smaller must mean hes the easy starter.

 

[RugbyMuffin]

skeltons list is smaller must mean hes the easy starter.

And 4 years younger, and not getting paid 20 million.

 

[RugbyMuffin]

Mind if I borrow that?

Sure. Make some copies, they will be in demand.

 

[LoyaltyisaCurse]

Kolb blows, good riddance.

 

[Duckjake]

Sure. Make some copies, they will be in demand.

Not to worry Rugby. The same people who said the Cards were smart to let Antonio Smith go because the talent didn't equal the money and to let Leonard Davis go because the talent didn't equal the money and to let Karlos Dansby go because the talent didn't equal the money and to let Antrel Rolle go because the talent didn't equal the money and to let Anquan Boldin and DRC go because the attitude didn't work are the same people who are calling us out for saying it would be ok to let Kevin Kolb and Early Doucet go because the talent doesn't equal the money.

 

[SoCal Cardfan]

Not to worry Rugby. The same people who said the Cards were smart to let Antonio Smith go because the talent didn't equal the money and to let Leonard Davis go because the talent didn't equal the money and to let Karlos Dansby go because the talent didn't equal the money and to let Antrel Rolle go because the talent didn't equal the money and to let Anquan Boldin and DRC go because the attitude didn't work are the same people who are calling us out for saying it would be ok to let Kevin Kolb and Early Doucet go because the talent doesn't equal the money.

Leaving this one out, would have bolstered your argument significantly.

 

[Duckjake]

Leaving this one out, would have bolstered your argument significantly.

Why, because his talent did exceed the money? I don't get it.

The whole point of my post is that if the Cards were able to replace all those guys with better players why is it ******** to think they could replace Doucet and Kolb with better players.

 

[Cards Czar]

Not to worry Rugby. The same people who said the Cards were smart to let Antonio Smith go because the talent didn't equal the money and to let Leonard Davis go because the talent didn't equal the money and to let Karlos Dansby go because the talent didn't equal the money and to let Antrel Rolle go because the talent didn't equal the money and to let Anquan Boldin and DRC go because the attitude didn't work are the same people who are calling us out for saying it would be ok to let Kevin Kolb and Early Doucet go because the talent doesn't equal the money.

Dansby, Rollen Boldin pretty much got the same offer from the Cardinals but THEY choose to leave. DRC might be good but he is a nut job. DRC did not fit into the scheme Horton wanted to use. You can leed a hourse to water but getting it to drink is another thing.

 

[PACardsFan]

Wouldn't Miami be a better fit?

1) Playing in a conference that he's familiar with
2) Playing with a better offensive line
3) Playing with a better rushing attack
4) Playing with a Top 10 WR (Brandon Marshall)
5) Small media market

You can make the argument that the Cards have the better defense, but there's no question that the Fins would be better able to protect Manning from taking hits.

Let's not forget that if he chose Miami he would then have to play road games in such lovely climates as New York, New England & Buffalo. Peyton loves playing in dome like conditions, so AZ would be ideal. Plus one of his road games would be another dome game in St. Louis. He is NOT playing for Miami. Their ownership group is odd at best & they have an unproven HC. The Cardinals are a far better option for Manning. Other than on this board, Whiz's reputation around the league is gold. There's a reason we haven't chosen a QB coach yet. That's because Peyton will be making that decision. He DOESN'T want to play in the same division as Eli, as that would almost eliminate one of them from the postseason. That leaves the Skins out of the equation. Plus, Shanahan does not have the winning reputation he once had. Let's not forget that Warner & Manning talk often. Peyton saw what is possible in AZ. If Manning can play, we are most definitely his first choice.