After sleeping on it I'm still mad

[Russ Smith]

Only if he had possesion though?

I think so because if you take Green out of the equation and Battle just fumbles out of the endzone, it's a touchback.

 

[SECTION 11]

That's what I'm thinking. I think if you intentionally bat the ball under any circumstances you're going to get penalized.

 

[Russ Smith]

As usual the rulebook is clear as mud.

http://www.nfl.com/rulebook/penaltysummaries


10 Yards
Offensive pass interference.
Holding, illegal use of hands, arms, or body by offense.
Tripping by a member of either team.
Helping the runner.
Deliberately batting or punching a loose ball.
Deliberately kicking a loose ball.
Illegal block above the waist.

Those are all examples of a 10 yard penalty. Obviously on that play they can't award 10 yards so would it be half the distance from the spot of the fumble and 49er ball?

I admit now I have no clue.

 

[football karma]

Honestly not sure. In the Denver game the penalty was because to avoid the defense recovering the fumble, the offense(The RB) batted it out.

In this case it would have been the defense doing it to prevent the offense, don't honestly know if that's a penalty but I can't see it being a safety?

I think if Green had, lets say, very deliberately swatted at the ball to get it out of bounds -- probably a penalty

But if in diving for the ball, he propelled it forward and out the back of the endzone -- it a touchback and Cardinals ball

the margin between winning and losing is so small

 

[Savage58]

We would've gotten the ball at OUR 20 because of the ball going out the back of their endzone on that play. Even if the Ref throws a flag for batting the ball out, we get the ball at the 10 yard line.

Things are moving fast out there, maybe next time Green will remember the rules.

 

[Duckjake]

We would've gotten the ball at OUR 20 because of the ball going out the back of their endzone on that play. Even if the Ref throws a flag for batting the ball out, we get the ball at the 10 yard line.

Things are moving fast out there, maybe next time Green will remember the rules.

I don't think the Cards would get the ball if Green bats it out of the endzone.

Probably a 10 yard penalty on the Cards from the original line of scrimmage and SF gets to keep the ball.

 

[Shane]

I don't think the Cards would get the ball if Green bats it out of the endzone.

Probably a 10 yard penalty on the Cards from the original line of scrimmage and SF gets to keep the ball.

I think you are right. The commentators were even saying that unless we rcovered it it would have to be placed at the original point of the fumble.

 

[Faithful]

Only if he had possesion though?

It didn't look to me that he had possession to begin with! Oh well, what do I know. This much I will say, Leinart really sucked! Warner would have had his way with their defense just like last year .

 

[DevonCardsFan]

I agree. This team is a nightmare to be a fan of. It gets old.

Way too OLD!!!!

 

[azdad1978]

I think the main thing is we all talked about this when Whiz was hired, is that run first mentality the right fit for a team with Quan and Fitz. I think it CAN work, but what we saw last night wasn't it.

A lot of it was Matt he was missing open RB's all night in the check downs, but it just seemed to me(and I am probably wrong) that we had way too many plays where we had 2 TE's or a FB in there and that allowed SF to just play a CB and Safety on both Fitz and Boldin.

At one point in the game thread I said if we run a RB screen or two we'll score for sure, next play was the middle screen to Edge for a first down. If I as a fan sitting at home can see how open that stuff is why can't the guy calling the play see it? It was so obvious they were doubling the outside
guys and just coming after Matt daring him to use the middle of the field.

Matt wasn't checking down, so call a few screens just to use that aggressiveness on defense against them.

I think that Whiz can coach don't get me wrong, but I think someone last night failed to grasp why we couldn't get the ball downfield and what was open.

Maybe it was really just Matt not seeing it?

I still think Whis taking away the right to audible like Matt did last year did hurt him last night, there was one play where the whiners were bringing the house instead of audibling like he did last year nothing he just stared the rush, Matt threw a pass and it was incomplete. Ugh If Matt is this football genius then give the kid responsibility to audible. Btw I'm still mad my coworkers avoided me the whole day knowing the Cards lost.

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

In one game they fixed our run game.

One game!


This looked like every other Cardinal game in history until you figure they fixed the defense and the run game in one night, the offense moved the ball enough to win.

first of all, if the defense crumbles when it's most important, they have NOT fixed defense.

and you're "One game!" argument goes both ways . . . they've only done it for One game! that hardly spells permanent fix, though i'll give 'em the benefit of the doubt on that one, the run game does look markedly improved from prior seasons.

unlike you russ, i did not wake up mad. i woke up shaking my head. literally as i climbed outta bed i was already shaking my head. unreal. and yet, so real.

 

[Cheesebeef]

first of all, if the defense crumbles when it's most important, they have NOT fixed defense.

and you're "One game!" argument goes both ways . . . they've only done it for One game! that hardly spells permanent fix, though i'll give 'em the benefit of the doubt on that one, the run game does look markedly improved from prior seasons.

unlike you russ, i did not wake up mad. i woke up shaking my head. literally as i climbed outta bed i was already shaking my head. unreal. and yet, so real.

i got woken up by a text from Jeff at 6 a.m. that just said: I'm so sorry.

Yeah, like I needed to be reminded of that as I woke up with a wicked hangover, had to catch the L to get downtown and then, on the way to work, got rear-ended by some moron who a) didn't have a license b) gave us a fake phone number and c) actually had FAKE DRIVER'S INSURANCE.

I love this team though - there's just nothing like them in the world.

 

[Renz]

I don't think the Cards would get the ball if Green bats it out of the endzone.

Probably a 10 yard penalty on the Cards from the original line of scrimmage and SF gets to keep the ball.

A fumble that goes through the endzone is a touchback. Batting the ball out is legal. If Green had kicked it out then it would have been a penalty.

Regardless, it is irrelevant now.

 

[Russ Smith]

first of all, if the defense crumbles when it's most important, they have NOT fixed defense.

and you're "One game!" argument goes both ways . . . they've only done it for One game! that hardly spells permanent fix, though i'll give 'em the benefit of the doubt on that one, the run game does look markedly improved from prior seasons.

unlike you russ, i did not wake up mad. i woke up shaking my head. literally as i climbed outta bed i was already shaking my head. unreal. and yet, so real.

Here's how mad I was. At the end of the game I was almost relieved that Matt threw the 2nd pick. Because part of me just knew if we got into FG range, Rackers would miss anyways.

 

[Gambit]

Here's how mad I was. At the end of the game I was almost relieved that Matt threw the 2nd pick. Because part of me just knew if we got into FG range, Rackers would miss anyways.

We need a win to save us from ourselves. I wouldn't say I expected that but I sure feared it.

 

[Cheesebeef]

A fumble that goes through the endzone is a touchback. Batting the ball out is legal. If Green had kicked it out then it would have been a penalty.

Regardless, it is irrelevant now.

that's just it - he didn't need to bat it - he tried to scoop it up - the play to make is to jump at it and make sure you either get it, or you slide it out with you so that no one else can get it.

I mean, EVERYONE knew the game was over at that point, right? My best friend (and also a die-hard fan) just walked out of the bar right after that play. He didn't even need to see the next play. Just tragically hilarious.

 

[Cbus cardsfan]

I'm not mad at all. I think the Cards showed the signs that will make them a winning team. The thing that worries me most is that if they get off to an 0-3 start will Whiz lose the team because of all the past losing. I think this week it's imperative to win. I think it would be hard for anyone who watched that game to come out thinking SF was the better team. The Cards need to make the play at the end of the game to win. I know that's been a problem for year but, in this game, the Cards controlled both sides of the ball on the LOS and that hasn't happened too much in the past. Plus, it was a road game. I think they beat Seattle this week. I watched them and they weren't very impressive against TB.

 

[Cbus cardsfan]

btw, i'm not 100% sure,but i think it's illegal for the offense to bat the ball out of bounds but the defense can as long as they don't kick it out of bounds.

 

[Skkorpion]

I liked the play calling -- until our last possession when Whisenhunt turned gutless and called a middle run on 3rd and 10. At that point, he played not to lose, so of course, we lost.

Let's see if the coach learns from this. I think he will.

 

[az1965]

I liked the play calling -- until our last possession when Whisenhunt turned gutless and called a middle run on 3rd and 10. At that point, he played not to lose, so of course, we lost.

Let's see if the coach learns from this. I think he will.

I understand what he was thinking. Leinart was awful most of the night. Whiz did not want to take a chance and milk the clock some more. But, I would prefer to lose with trying to win instead of not trying to lose!

 

[yukmouth2005]

This game made me sick.4 false starts in a row to start the secon half. Matt Lenart Piss me off. The last 3 mins I was nevous ass hell I smoke like 3 ciggarents when the 49ers had the ball and Alex smith ran on 4 and 1 this game was wrose then last year game vs the bears.

 

[ThunderCard]

This game made me sick.4 false starts in a row to start the secon half. Matt Lenart Piss me off. The last 3 mins I was nevous ass hell I smoke like 3 ciggarents when the 49ers had the ball and Alex smith ran on 4 and 1 this game was wrose then last year game vs the bears.

 

[Duckjake]

btw, i'm not 100% sure,but i think it's illegal for the offense to bat the ball out of bounds but the defense can as long as they don't kick it out of bounds.

I haven't been able to find the rule on it anywhere.

Renz how do you know batting the ball out of the endzone is legal? Batting the ball out of bounds got the Broncos a penalty. So is the rule different for the endzone or for the defense like Cbus thinks?

It isn't irrelevant to me because I'm interested in knowing the rules.

 

[Renz]

I haven't been able to find the rule on it anywhere.

Renz how do you know batting the ball out of the endzone is legal? Batting the ball out of bounds got the Broncos a penalty. So is the rule different for the endzone or for the defense like Cbus thinks?

It isn't irrelevant to me because I'm interested in knowing the rules.

I suppose I was wrong (Imagine that! ) If you try to bat the ball out, you need to make it "look" like you are trying to recover it. From Urban's blog:

I know, I know, it's time to move on, but ...

With Cards cornerback Eric Green, among others, talking about that last fumble -- and whether he should have just knocked it out of bounds -- there is a point to be made. He couldn't have. The rule on such a play, confirmed by NFL officials guru Mike Pereira, is that any batted ball is a penalty. What that means is that had Green just punched it out of the end zone, he would have been flagged and the 49ers would have been given the ball anyway. So Green wasn't out of line trying to pick it up (no matter how frustrating it was to some fans).

Here is the official rule:

Rule 12, Section 1, Article 8, subsection b
A player may not bat or punch…
(a) a loose ball (in field of play) toward opponent’s goal line
(b) a loose ball in any direction if it is in either end zone
(c ) a backward pass in flight may not be batted forward by an offensive player

Penalty: 10-yards (or in this case, half the distance to the goal).

Now, had Green tried to "pick it up" and "accidentally" knocked it out of bounds, well ....

 

[JeffGollin]

I watched a lot of NFL football over the weekend. It was a rare game where even one of the teams didn't make at least a few glaring errors. The flow of those games went up and down. And in the end, the ball bounced fortuitously for half the teams and badly for the other half.

Every week, the ball will bounce funny, and benefit or hurt half the teams.

But one variable is how each team reacts to the bad bounces. The ones who let the bad stuff get to them tend to pack it in earlier than the ones who shrug it off, learn from their mistakes and move onward in the belief that the bounces will eventually even out.

If we, the coaches and players view the SF loss as a base-line game representing "the worst we figure to play all season", the focus can be solely on correcting the miscues and playing better week by week. If the coaches can do this effectively (&, unlike the previous regime, I think they can), I really believe we'll be OK.