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...I have to wonder how people would view the QB situation if they had just watched the preseason games and not been influenced by so many other opinions?

While Anderson has had his moments chucking the ball down the field, those passes aren't "real" in a lot of ways. They certainly look good while they happen but with all of the talk of him aggressively pushing the ball down the field, he's only got 2 pass plays of 20+ yards this preseason. That's in 53 attempts for those keeping track.

His yards per attempt is only 5.4 this preseason also. So, it's hard for me to not consider much of this "competition" good, old-fashioned spin. Even with his so-called impressive showing this last game, he only completed 58.3 percent of his passes. Which is what he's done all preseason. In three games, he's right at 58%.

So, while a couple of his throws have been dazzling to watch, his overall game has been that of a backup. He's turned the ball over, he's fumbled, he's missed open receivers in the red zone...other than being in sync with...dang, what's that rookie's name, anyway, other than being in sync with him, likely because of all the time they spent working with the backup units, I haven't seen Anderson do much of anything.

The last game vs. Chicago for example, the first string offense with Anderson to start the game didn't look any better than the first two drives that Leinart got to start each of the first two games. The difference is Anderson got more time to work himself into a rhythm.

But speaking of the Chicago game and Leinart, he looked sharp to me. With very little playing time this preseason he came off the bench and looked good to end the half before Beanie fumbled and looked sharp on the TD drive. For example, the TD he threw was vintage Warner. The Cards were backed up 3rd and long after a penalty and Leinart threw it short of the goal line to Breaston who made a play to get in the end zone.

That was starting QB material. That was how Warner would have done it too. Warner who averaged 7.3 ypa last year. Leinart, supposedly afraid to throw it deep, supposedly only capable of checking the ball down who has a 7.0 ypa this preseason. That's certainly close enough to Warner for me and what Warner was doing was good enough so why not for Leinart. Especially considering Anderson is at 5.4 ypa this preseason.

I think we have to look outside the lines for what's going on and after gazing into my crystal ball for a while, I think Fitzgerald is dictating the anti-Leinart movement. I'm not sure why he would take it so personally when Leinart "got him injured" in the first preseason game but I think all of this stems from that play. It's the only semi-logical reason for all of the unnecessary drama coming from the Cardinals this offseason.

Sure, Leinart hasn't "earned" anything in live action but he's put in his dues and deserved to come into camp and remain the unquestioned starter. I'm certainly hesitant to question Whis but these last few years I've often disagreed with splitting the team on the QB position. Perhaps this whole drama will actually work to solidify Leinart as the starter and garner support from his teammates but I'm not so sure.

But having just watched the preseason games I think it would be obvious that Leinart was the QB that gives the Cardinals the best chance to win.
 

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But having just watched the preseason games I think it would be obvious that Leinart was the QB that gives the Cardinals the best chance to win.

...and that's a big double DUH!!!
 

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Thanks for taking the time to do that Moklerman. I wonder if it isn't Fitz myself. I was just having trouble believing it, because my man crush on Fitz was blinding me to it.
 

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Thanks for taking the time to do that Moklerman. I wonder if it isn't Fitz myself. I was just having trouble believing it, because my man crush on Fitz was blinding me to it.
I think about that some too. I love Fitz but I'm am starting to believe Fitz is having a little say-so here.

BUT until I know for sure, it's pure thought lol.
 

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Excellent post. I noticed the same things when I went back and re-watched the games. Derek Anderson's preseason has been mediocre at best. Definitely not impressive enough to win a starting job from a QB who has actually played pretty well.
 

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...I have to wonder how people would view the QB situation if they had just watched the preseason games and not been influenced by so many other opinions?

While Anderson has had his moments chucking the ball down the field, those passes aren't "real" in a lot of ways. They certainly look good while they happen but with all of the talk of him aggressively pushing the ball down the field, he's only got 2 pass plays of 20+ yards this preseason. That's in 53 attempts for those keeping track.

His yards per attempt is only 5.4 this preseason also. So, it's hard for me to not consider much of this "competition" good, old-fashioned spin. Even with his so-called impressive showing this last game, he only completed 58.3 percent of his passes. Which is what he's done all preseason. In three games, he's right at 58%.

So, while a couple of his throws have been dazzling to watch, his overall game has been that of a backup. He's turned the ball over, he's fumbled, he's missed open receivers in the red zone...other than being in sync with...dang, what's that rookie's name, anyway, other than being in sync with him, likely because of all the time they spent working with the backup units, I haven't seen Anderson do much of anything.

The last game vs. Chicago for example, the first string offense with Anderson to start the game didn't look any better than the first two drives that Leinart got to start each of the first two games. The difference is Anderson got more time to work himself into a rhythm.

But speaking of the Chicago game and Leinart, he looked sharp to me. With very little playing time this preseason he came off the bench and looked good to end the half before Beanie fumbled and looked sharp on the TD drive. For example, the TD he threw was vintage Warner. The Cards were backed up 3rd and long after a penalty and Leinart threw it short of the goal line to Breaston who made a play to get in the end zone.

That was starting QB material. That was how Warner would have done it too. Warner who averaged 7.3 ypa last year. Leinart, supposedly afraid to throw it deep, supposedly only capable of checking the ball down who has a 7.0 ypa this preseason. That's certainly close enough to Warner for me and what Warner was doing was good enough so why not for Leinart. Especially considering Anderson is at 5.4 ypa this preseason.

I think we have to look outside the lines for what's going on and after gazing into my crystal ball for a while, I think Fitzgerald is dictating the anti-Leinart movement. I'm not sure why he would take it so personally when Leinart "got him injured" in the first preseason game but I think all of this stems from that play. It's the only semi-logical reason for all of the unnecessary drama coming from the Cardinals this offseason.

Sure, Leinart hasn't "earned" anything in live action but he's put in his dues and deserved to come into camp and remain the unquestioned starter. I'm certainly hesitant to question Whis but these last few years I've often disagreed with splitting the team on the QB position. Perhaps this whole drama will actually work to solidify Leinart as the starter and garner support from his teammates but I'm not so sure.

But having just watched the preseason games I think it would be obvious that Leinart was the QB that gives the Cardinals the best chance to win.

What I've learned over the past 2 months is this is just another thread of many for all the ML groupies to pat themselves on the back. Those with alternate points of view don't count either and neither will change the minds of the other side. It's like talking politics.
If you are here for the team trust in the coach.
Seriously, these opinions don't mean squat. The coach will determine how it ultimately plays out.
 

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I would point out that a big part of YPA is completion percentage. Anderson looks good in YPC, but not in YPA, because he's not an accurate passer.

It is true though that it's hard to judge such a comparison in preseason because you don't know how the defense is really playing things.

IF teams blitz us as much in the regular season as we saw in game 2, then yeah constantly dumping it off would be a big problem, in the preseason why not take the easy throw and not put yourself at risk of taking a big hit?
 

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. I think Fitzgerald is dictating the anti-Leinart movement. I'm not sure why he would take it so personally when Leinart "got him injured" in the first preseason game but I think all of this stems from that play. It's the only semi-logical reason for all of the unnecessary drama coming from the Cardinals this offseason.

I'm starting to believe that as well, after hearing some talk about why Cris Carter keeps ragging on Matt.

Larry wants the ball thrown (to him, of course) down the field. Matt is Capt. Checkdown.
 

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Because your career is on the line maybe? :shrug:

Well to be fair only if Matt knew that in the first 2 games and it's apparent he didn't based on the reaction to DA starting game 3.

If I know I'm the starting QB and I'm getting blitzed on every down with a shaky OL, I'm probably going to check it down too. Manning would do the same thing if his OL played as badly as ours the first 2 games. There's simply no point in taking the risk of getting your QB hurt in the preseason.

Now if the starting QB is not yet determined, then yes you play differently.
 

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Sorry but I re-watched the Bear game and came out with the conclusion that Matt threw only one pass 9 yards (his first completion) the rest under 5 yards with the players gaining the yardage after the catch. The TD to Breaston- the ball was on the 15 yard line- the pass was to the 10 and Breaston ran it in. The one play where a pass was deeper was the incompletion where he bounced the ball about 5 yds from the receiver. Hightower's runs were the highlight of Matt's drive.
 

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Sorry but I re-watched the Bear game and came out with the conclusion that Matt threw only one pass 9 yards (his first completion) the rest under 5 yards with the players gaining the yardage after the catch. The TD to Breaston- the ball was on the 15 yard line- the pass was to the 10 and Breaston ran it in. The one play where a pass was deeper was the incompletion where he bounced the ball about 5 yds from the receiver. Hightower's runs were the highlight of Matt's drive.

So you missed the nice pass to the TE Dray?
 

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After watching the game again I realized just how bad Faneca is in pass protection...he was constantly beat one on one and confused in stunts....great in run blocking though....
 

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After watching the game again I realized just how bad Faneca is in pass protection...he was constantly beat one on one and confused in stunts....great in run blocking though....

And he quit on the sack. If he would have continued to work, he could have blocked his man as the QB stepped up. If you watch it...he just quits.
 

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What I've learned over the past 2 months is this is just another thread of many for all the ML groupies to pat themselves on the back. Those with alternate points of view don't count either and neither will change the minds of the other side. It's like talking politics.
If you are here for the team trust in the coach.
Seriously, these opinions don't mean squat. The coach will determine how it ultimately plays out.

Kind of funny, given that the guy starting the thread spent quite a bit of time being accused of hating Leinart because he preferred Warner.

I get the knocks on Leinart. And I understand the "Trust Whiz" brigade, because he's certainly earned some trust. I just don't understand how anything about Leinart's preseason performance makes sense as a trigger for losing all faith in him. And I really don't understand how, if you never had faith in Leinart to begin with, you'd choose Derek Anderson as the guy to serve as your fallback position. :shrug:
 
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Something I forgot to mention that was related to Anderson looking good in spots, due at least in part to having a good rapport with #14, is how much Leinart has been spreading the ball around. In his very limited playing time this preseason he's got the ball to quite a few different players, WR, TE & RB all included and to me, that will keep this offense moving even if the pass protection is shaky or the running game isn't scaring the defense into dropping out of the box.

I've been pretty critical of Leinart in the past when he's deserved it and was in favor of Warner starting over Leinart but ol' Matty looks the part to me right now. I could really care less about Anderson, good or bad, so it's nothing personal. Leinart is just doing the things that a starting QB should be able to do.

He's been accurate with the ball, he's completed the ball just as he's getting hit, he's eluded pass rushers by sidestepping and sliding while keeping his eyes down field, made good reads and exhibited patience with the ball and protected it while still getting first downs.

The implication by Whis is that Leinart doesn't have good chemistry with the team but if that is what he really believes, rather than just toying with the media, then I will certainly be ready to criticize him. The last few years the mantra has clearly been "he gives us the best chance to win" so switching gears to "better chemistry" seems phony to me. If Whis thinks Anderson is better, gives the team the best chance to win and is using his experience and expertise as a coach to evaluate DA's performance in practice as well as game action then fine, go with what he thinks is best. But being the best at leading a chorus of *** bay ya should not be why Anderson is starting.

Wasn't it just a year or two ago that Warner couldn't even get the players to come to his house for a BBQ? How important was chemistry to winning back then? Whether they love him or hate him, Leinart should be given the opportunity to start some games and prove one way or the other he deserves their respect. No matter how many mind games Whis plays on these guys, the QB is going to have to earn it on the field. If Whis doesn't even give Leinart that chance, then I think he's open to criticism.
 
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Something else that just occurred to me. I think we all can basically agree that Whis has shown a real talent for identifying personality types and motivating them accordingly, right?

Well, from day 1 it seems that Whis has been handling Leinart contrary to how Matt has shown to be comfortable. Instead of nurturing and cultivating, Whis has broken down and challenged Leinart. Mechanics, footwork, who knows what else? But even Pete Carroll has stated that Leinart only responded once he was named the starter and didn't have to worry about his job.

So, assuming that if I get that premise that Whis would certainly get it, is the answer that Whis doesn't really care if Leinart responds? I'm not saying it's the case but look at the last few years and how Whis has handled Leinart with the idea that Whis didn't really want him as his QB. The platooning, the replacing, this offseason...maybe it really is that simple and Whis doesn't care if Leinart is here.
 

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