Agree or Disagree?

[seesred]

Almost any team can claim if only we kept this guy or that. No one knows what would have ahppened if? We have had good players and bad coaches and visa versa. Buddy tore apart this team not Bidwill. Bugel was close but could not close the deal. Mac was popular but a bad judge of a football team. We ahd players and we have paid players. IMO if Green gets the chance to last more than two years this team will be there every week. In 1988 we had won the division until Lomac went down. At the time we were 7-4. Bidwill owned the team then! How many teams were losers during the Niners and Cowboys years. We are getting closer and will win this Sunday!

GBR
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[BigDavis75]

You actually have one part wrong Assface. Gruden wanted Thomas Jones to resign, but Jones wanted to go elsewhere. He loved the city of Chicago, and the Bears tradition. They offered him basicly the same contract as Tampa Bay did. He didnt like the offense that the Bucs ran. They would throw 60 percent of the time. Thomas Jones wants to get the rock 20-25 times a game.


BTW, I think even behind this line TJ would average at least 4.0 ypc given 20 carries a game. What he did on Chicagos team last year is amazing. Even though he didnt put up a 1000 yard season he was pretty close and he missed 3 games. Though he did add another 400 and some odd yards recieving. 1300 plus yards isnt bad at all in 13 games, plus the fact that Chicago had absolutly no threat of a passing game and their offensive line was just average. So in turn if he could average 4.0 ypc on last years Bears team. He could certainly do it here.

This year their line is good, Tait, Brown (when helathy), Kruetz, and Miller are really good and Metcalf is solid. Plus they've got good depth with Garza (although he is still trying to make the transition from the ATL scheme) and St. Clair.

 

[Savage58]

Disagree.

This writer is living in a fantasy world.

 

[Duckjake]

Almost any team can claim if only we kept this guy or that. No one knows what would have ahppened if? We have had good players and bad coaches and visa versa. Buddy tore apart this team not Bidwill. Bugel was close but could not close the deal. Mac was popular but a bad judge of a football team. We ahd players and we have paid players. IMO if Green gets the chance to last more than two years this team will be there every week. In 1988 we had won the division until Lomac went down. At the time we were 7-4. Bidwill owned the team then! How many teams were losers during the Niners and Cowboys years. We are getting closer and will win this Sunday!

GBR
40

At least we didn't trade Brett Farve.

 

[buff17]

This year their line is good, Tait, Brown (when helathy), Kruetz, and Miller are really good and Metcalf is solid. Plus they've got good depth with Garza (although he is still trying to make the transition from the ATL scheme) and St. Clair.

This year their line has made improvments your are correct. Though I was talking about last season. Trust me, I watched at least 2/3 of thier games.

 

[Ryanwb]

If those players were still Cardinals, this is what would have happened:

Jake would have been benched for McCown after throwing his 10th interception of the season.

Rice would have retired 2 years ago if he was forced to stay on this team

Thomas Jones would be the 2nd back in this offense and would have 101 yards on 48 carries

KVB would be out for the season with a knee injury

 

[BigDavis75]

This year their line has made improvments your are correct. Though I was talking about last season. Trust me, I watched at least 2/3 of thier games.

This year I have watched all but one (Lions) and Miller has made a huge difference. TJ is finding the holes created and is looking like an excellent runner. I misunderstood, I thought you were saying their O-Line was still only decent.

 

[jstadvl]

Sowe'renot

agreeing or disagreeing with each other, but just the author?
HMMM? Disagree.

 

[Crimson Warrior]

The author is an idiot.

woulda shoulda coulda blah blah blah.

Vandenbosh benefits from superior DTs playing next to him. He didn't exactly wow me vs. wakefield. I'm happy for him, but I'll take berry or okeafer any day of the week. Why? There's no way KVB consistently has that sack out put. Meanwhile Berry and Chike will be good for years to come.

Jones plays for a team whose culture includes running as the primary weapon in the offense (as opposed to the supposed "balanced" attack of the cardinals. Jones is going to get his 20 - 25 carries every week no matter what. The bears live to run the ball = Jones gets his 1000 yard season. If the bears somehow win that division, Jones will get shut down in the playoffs anway.

Rice and Plummer? whatever.

Plummer Jones Rice and KVB. If i could have any one of those for for free, I'd take KVB, but you can keep the rest.

 

[jstadvl]

well

we agree on KvB, to a degree. I think, if he stays healthy, he gets better andstronger each year. Does he have the kind of year he om pace for this year? I doubt it, but, I'll take six to eight sacks+ each year. Berry right now is on pace for 10-11 and Okeafor 6-8. Sad thing is, the one guy I would have kept, KVB, I'm more than happy with who we have. Not as bash ups, but as 1's.
Plummer is in a system that suits his abilities. Good or bad as a QB, it's working for him.
Jones, I agree with you on. He'll get his carries and not some mish mash run game like we always seem to have. therby, he gets his yardage. again, a good system fit.
Rice would be a bitch here period,. He had one oustanding year and one really good year. He too, following your reasoning, benefitted from his inside,coverage and LB people.
Anyone of them wouldn't play well on this team.
Plummer is buried or throwing picks all day. Jones would never get the carries to get his groove. Rice would be that basal cancer that never goes away.
KVB wouldn't get the playing time to get into his groove either.
I like the changes we've made and I think this team is far from done this season. After we win in Dullass, the Seahag game will be the most important of our year.

 

[Jasper]

Resigning Plummer and Rice if hypothetically possible would have taken up to atleast 20mil cap space per year at that time. Which would have made it impossible to sign other key players. I do not think these two are worth that much on the field anyways. We could use a little less talent at these positions to improve others.

Plummer is lucky to be in Denver. I don't see him doing much more than what Griese or Brister did when they were Denver starters.

Rice is a sack machine period. But is a lazy bastard. Solely a pass rushing specialist that depends solely on one move (running around the outside LT). We did not want him in the locker room anymore. For the contract he has now I prefer a more complete player. Please remember his 1st season in TB. he had two sacks in the first 10 games even with Sapp, Mcfarland at that time.

Jones sucks period. He had his chance here and he blew it like two times. How can someone that breaks his hand picking up a telephone be a pro bowler? Give Arrington 25-30 carries a game and I'm positive he would do just as much. Give Cedric Benson that many carries and I'm sure he would do the same. Detroit, Minnesota, Green Bay isn't much competition in that division. I still think Detroit will win the division at the end of the season though.

KVB is a hard worker, but he seems to be the product of the Titans defensive line. The best of the 4. Starks, Long, Odom, who? Put Chike in his place and I'm sure Chike would have more sacks.

Stats don't mean anything. Remember when Ray Thompson was our leading tackler? Where is he now?

 

[BACH]

Have to disagree....

I would prefer Berry and Okeafor over Rice and KVB. Rice has had a better career than Berry, but right now Berry is a better player. He equals Rice in pass-rushing abilities and is way better at stopping the run. Right now Okeafor and KVB are also equal, but Okeafor doesn't have KVB history with injuries. Both have a non-stop motor and above average pass-rushers.


Jones would NOT have had the same succes if the team had chosen to keep him. Jones was released twice before he finally got "it", and elected to train hard and and be serious about his profession.

Plummer..... I don't know... If he had a decent run game perhaps. On this team right now - no way.

 

[buff17]

Jones sucks period. How can someone that breaks his hand picking up a telephone be a pro bowler? Give Arrington 25-30 carries a game and I'm positive he would do just as much. Give Cedric Benson that many carries and I'm sure he would do the same. Why would we give this guy 25-30 carries a game when we have a very good if not better passing attack? With Gage and Muhammed as starters with a quarterback named Orton "huh?" Heck there is no option but to run. Detroit, Minnesota, Green Bay isn't much competition in that division. I still think Detroit will win the division though.

Thats a pretty stupid comment on Jones. Considering the fact that if "they have no passing attack" and hes averaging 4.8 ypc thats even more of an accomplishment. After today he will more than likely be leading the NFL in rushing or at least in the Top 3. Jones doesnt suck, he didnt suck here. He wasnt good here but he was very young, and we didnt give him enough carries. Young running backs need to get a lot of carries to gel into the offense.


I agree give Arrington more carries and lets see if he starts to "gel" with the offense. We never gave Jones that chance, when Jones played here we would give Jones a carry once each possession, or maybe not even that often. Though the thing about it is, when your running the football and being physical, running the football consistenly and sticking to it with 2 or 3 yard games, even sometimes you may get a loss. Though if you keep running the ball, running backs like Thomas Jones will turn those 2 and 3 yard gains into 20 or 30 yard gashes in the 3rd and 4th quarter when the defense is wearing down.

Being one dimesional doesnt get you anywhere on offense unless your the Eagles, and lets see how long it lasts for them.

And BTW, Jones has only played 2 games within the divison thus far, one against Minny win he played HURT w/limited cutting ability, and rushed for 89 yards on 22 carries and had 2 TD's. The other was against the Lions, when he had well over 130 yards and 2 TD's and 20 carries. Last week Jones rushed for 134 yards agaisnt the Raven's defense. They were the number 2 defense in the NFL coming into that game as well. Though I guess a lack of competion is the reason Jones is having success. I predict the Bears to win that division if they win today @ Lions. They have a stellar defense and a good running game 2 things needed to win in January. Scary thought huh. Orton seems to be getting better every week. Could the Bears ran the table?