All you Levi Brown defenders still believe he doesn't suck?

[Duckjake]

I'm thinking some of these guys posting here work for the Cards because he never gets served his walking papers & they can't see how mediocre he is.

Wait until Levi leaves. Then there will be numerous posts on how the Cards made the right move because Brown never was any good.

 

[Buckybird]

Wait until Levi leaves. Then there will be numerous posts on how the Cards made the right move because Brown never was any good.

of course

 

[Duckjake]

Hopefully Dray hasn't cursed the magic of #81

Only the 3rd Cardinal player to wear #81 since 1994.

The Cards magic number: Jackie Smith, Roy Green, Frank Sanders and Boldin.

5 of the 7 players who have worn #81 since 1962 have led the Cards in receiving yards at least once. Anthony Edwards shared #81 with Randoll Hill in 1991 and of course Dray.

 

[MadCardDisease]

+1 on all this. The interior line is now bad. Either Levi Brown or Eric Winston (who has been getting an s-ton of help on the right side) is our best offensive lineman right now.

That's terrible. I think that Levi didn't get help against Freeney because the coaching staff wanted to see what help he'll need in the regular season. But if Winston needs that much help on the regular, we're going to be in some trouble come fall.

There's almost nothing you can do when the interior line needs help, and all three of those interior linemen are below-average.

I pretty much agree.

Sendlien was getting overpowered by the NT.

Chilo didn't look very good out there. I think we are in a world of hurt if he is the starting LG.

I thought Colledge looked OK. On the runs to the left side I saw him pulling and make some nice blocks.

 

[Duckjake]

I pretty much agree.

Sendlien was getting overpowered by the NT.

Chilo didn't look very good out there. I think we are in a world of hurt if he is the starting LG.

I thought Colledge looked OK. On the runs to the left side I saw him pulling and make some nice blocks.

Isn't the idea of using a NT to require the offense to tie up two blockers? But Sendlein is getting the big bucks so he needs to step up and make the block when he has to.

BTW the Chargers have a rookie NT who is listed at 6'1" 334lbs!!!

 

[JeffGollin]

I think we can agree that Levi is far from being a Pro Bowl LT, partly because he loses too many one on one battles but mainly because of the penalties (especially during presnap where all you need to is count right).

I think we can also agree that it's frustrating when you hear the coaches regard him as "elite" and unrealistically over-rely on his ability to carry most of the OL load.

That said, someone has to play LT and right now he's probably the best we've got. The mission hasn't changed - protect Carson and run the ball by improving the OL as much as possible. Looking thru the rear view mirror, pointing fingers and saying "I told you so" is not helpful.

We can get past this. As former Rutgers and current TB coach is fond of saying: Put your head down and "keep chopping."'

 

[BigRedRage]

I'm thinking some of these guys posting here work for the Cards because he never gets served his walking papers & they can't see how mediocre he is.

But,

Does anyone here think levi is "Good"?

 

[SECTION 11]

Sure, I do. He's a huge part of any chance in hell this team has to to be remotely successful this year. Take him out to see how well.... Who exactly? does and you get what we had last year. The fact that people have a hard on for saying he sucks doesn't convince me that they have any clue whatsoever on how to evaluate o-line.

 

[SECTION 11]

He's the best component of this teams one strength. Soooo.. Bench him and what, throw more? With Carson Skelton? Good luck with that.

 

[Buckybird]

The fact that people have a hard on for saying he sucks doesn't convince me that they have any clue whatsoever on how to evaluate o-line.

44 1/2 sacks allowed in 5 seasons says he's much worse than you give him credit for. But i guess thats ok with us guys who cant somewhat evaluate Oline play, by just watching tv. Believe me, those stats dont give me wood.

He's the best LT we have, which is another reason our Putrid play of the entire Oline continues when the most important piece of it in pass pro is average at best.

 

[RugbyMuffin]

Wait until Levi leaves. Then there will be numerous posts on how the Cards made the right move because Brown never was any good.

REALLY?

I completely disagree.

The quickest way for a player to acquire All-Pro, and Hall of Fame credentials is to be cut by the Cardinals.

I mean O'Brien Schofield ? They are already making his bust for Canton on this board.

Deuce Lutui ? Best Cardinal offensive lineman...maybe of all time since he left the Cardinals. Just never given a chance here and its all Whiz's fault.

and the list goes on.

 

[RugbyMuffin]

Sure, I do. He's a huge part of any chance in hell this team has to to be remotely successful this year. Take him out to see how well.... Who exactly? does and you get what we had last year. The fact that people have a hard on for saying he sucks doesn't convince me that they have any clue whatsoever on how to evaluate o-line.

That question should have been answered in the last 3 to 4 offseasons, or in the draft in the past 3 to 4 offseasons.

I am not going to say Levi Brown is good because the front office refuses to upgrade the position when given the opportunity, and then when there is no opportunity to do anything about it, get asked "Well if not Levi Brown then who?".

That is just an unfair scenario.

Levi Brown is the starting LT for the Cardinals for the 2013 season, and they will have to sleep in the bed they have made. If Carson Palmer gets killed, or Levi Brown costs us games then that is on the Cardinals.

So yeah, no one is going to be a better option, AT THIS POINT, then Levi Brown.

But when bringing the WHOLE NFL year long routine into question, there are better options out there.

Again:

1. If he is so good then why does he grade out so poorly by people whose jobs it is to evaluate offensive line play ? I.E. People who have more of a clue than most in offensive line evaluation.

(And if you want to call on the "validity of stats" from one source to the next, then whatever stats someone else wants to bring to the table, I automatically call into questions said stats, and ask the question what makes one sources stats better than the next ?)


2. If he is so good, then how come NO ONE talked to Levi Brown when he was released a few years ago in the LT starved NFL ?


Just sayin' Levi Brown is no Pro Bowl, no All-Pro, and barely starter talent in the NFL if it were not for the entire LT position regressing in the NFL.

So, yes. Levi Brown is by far and away the best we got.......yet that just says we ain't got much.

JMHO of course.

 

[RugbyMuffin]

Isn't the idea of using a NT to require the offense to tie up two blockers? But Sendlein is getting the big bucks so he needs to step up and make the block when he has to.

LOL.

Are you kidding me ?

Really ? He does ?

Why ?

What are the Cardinals going to do about it if Sendlein doesn't do his job ? We don't have any other centers to challenge him. He has no reason to worry about whether he gets blown up. He has been getting pushed into the backfield off the snap for years, and he still gets his big money for it.

 

[GuernseyCard]

That question should have been answered in the last 3 to 4 offseasons, or in the draft in the past 3 to 4 offseasons.

I am not going to say Levi Brown is good because the front office refuses to upgrade the position when given the opportunity, and then when there is no opportunity to do anything about it, get asked "Well if not Levi Brown then who?".

That is just an unfair scenario.

Levi Brown is the starting LT for the Cardinals for the 2013 season, and they will have to sleep in the bed they have made. If Carson Palmer gets killed, or Levi Brown costs us games then that is on the Cardinals.

So yeah, no one is going to be a better option, AT THIS POINT, then Levi Brown.

But when bringing the WHOLE NFL year long routine into question, there are better options out there.

Again:

1. If he is so good then why does he grade out so poorly by people whose jobs it is to evaluate offensive line play ? I.E. People who have more of a clue than most in offensive line evaluation.

(And if you want to call on the "validity of stats" from one source to the next, then whatever stats someone else wants to bring to the table, I automatically call into questions said stats, and ask the question what makes one sources stats better than the next ?)


2. If he is so good, then how come NO ONE talked to Levi Brown when he was released a few years ago in the LT starved NFL ?


Just sayin' Levi Brown is no Pro Bowl, no All-Pro, and barely starter talent in the NFL if it were not for the entire LT position regressing in the NFL.

So, yes. Levi Brown is by far and away the best we got.......yet that just says we ain't got much.

JMHO of course.

His agent said Levi had offers at the time, but insisted he work out a deal with the Cards.

 

[Duckjake]

LOL.

Are you kidding me ?

Really ? He does ?

Why ?

What are the Cardinals going to do about it if Sendlein doesn't do his job ? We don't have any other centers to challenge him. He has no reason to worry about whether he gets blown up. He has been getting pushed into the backfield off the snap for years, and he still gets his big money for it.

That's because our offensive line coaches were idiots. Watch Dan Williams. Two guys block him on almost every play he's in the game. If that doesn't happen he pushes the Center into the backfield.

BTW I just added the bolded part to save some poster or posters the trouble of having to reply with that statement. lol

 

[RugbyMuffin]

His agent said Levi had offers at the time, but insisted he work out a deal with the Cards.

Fair enough.

His agent did a good job then.

 

[cardpa]

I think we need to get Levi to change his name. Levi is not a good name for a LT. Here are a few suggestions.

Tiger Brown
Hoss Brown
Dirty Brown
Jumbo Brown
Dirk Brown
Conrad Brown

These are much better names for a LT.

 

[RugbyMuffin]

I think we need to get Levi to change his name. Levi is not a good name for a LT. Here are a few suggestions.

Tiger Brown
Hoss Brown
Dirty Brown
Jumbo Brown
Dirk Brown
Conrad Brown

These are much better names for a LT.

Poopy Brown

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[cardpa]

Poopy Brown

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Rugby that one did cross my mind but I decided to leave it off because it was so obvious it would get posted sooner rather than later. Thanks!!!

 

[Duckjake]

Dierdorf Brown might work. No then he'd become a Rams fan. So nevermind.

 

[RugbyMuffin]

Rugby that one did cross my mind but I decided to leave it off because it was so obvious it would get posted sooner rather than later. Thanks!!!

No problem.

Always here to keep things classy.

 

[BigRedRage]

Sure, I do. He's a huge part of any chance in hell this team has to to be remotely successful this year. Take him out to see how well.... Who exactly? does and you get what we had last year. The fact that people have a hard on for saying he sucks doesn't convince me that they have any clue whatsoever on how to evaluate o-line.

No asking if hes the best on the team. Asking if anyone things hes "good"

 

[ajcardfan]

Sure, I do. He's a huge part of any chance in hell this team has to to be remotely successful this year. Take him out to see how well.... Who exactly? does and you get what we had last year. The fact that people have a hard on for saying he sucks doesn't convince me that they have any clue whatsoever on how to evaluate o-line.

It's not hard to evaluate our o-line. If any set of fans in the league knows bad line play when they see it, it HAS to be Cards fans. When has the Cards oline ever been considered a quality, NFL line? Even the playoff years, they were the worst part of the team. (The last time they were one of the NFL's best was in St. Louis, IMO.)

With, or without, Levi Brown, our o-line has mostly been miserable. This year, it's going to be miserable with him on the field.

 

[RugbyMuffin]

No asking if hes the best on the team. Asking if anyone things hes "good"

Is Levi Brown "good" compared to the rest of the NFL ?

Good question. Still trying to get to the bottom of that.

We were going to compare him to Trent Williams but ran out of time during the dog days of the football season.

 

[BigRedRage]

I would classify him as "OK". Not "Good". Def not "elite". Just "OK".

OK will not make you happy at LT. He is a "good" RT.