All you Levi Brown defenders still believe he doesn't suck?

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Problem in a nutshell (as I see it):

- Levi commits too many penalties and has trouble handling speed rushers consistently enough for Carson P to be effective often enough. He's improved as a run blocker.

- Potter has niftier feet but gets pushed around by stronger rushers and is still not a seasoned pass blocker.

- Massey has the strength to meet power with power but lacks the feet to be a dancing bear and would be learning the LT position from scratch.

None of the 3 options is very good. Can we live with the weaknesses of any of these guys? Or are each of them "fatal" to Palmer's well -being?

As much as I hate to say it, our best option might be a coached-up and less penalized Levi Brown with help from a second blocker in pass pro. (a less than perfect decision, but one we'll have to live with).
 

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sure, it rubbed me the wrong way, but my response was to K9 calling for a ban, which I didn't care about. the guy wanted to throw some dirt on me, way it goes.

but i referenced my dealing with agents because it's germane to the issue at hand, thus tried to add something to conversation based on first hand knowledge of the world, where I'm guessing most people here don't. if he wanted to share a similar experience fine...but really don't see where he needed to slam me and call me a chump.

The slams aside (which you both did), I think it's ignorant (and callous) to act like you're imparting some knowledge of the world which the rest of us have no clue about (see my underline). Especially when you say you're guessing most people here don't (basically have a clue). That may be true. It may not. I know of at least one person on here who interviewed for the GM position years (and years and years) ago for the Cardinals, so I think it's fair to say you aren't the only one with such knowledge. You're not the most intelligent person on this board, nor the most successful, so I truly believe you should stop acting like it.

That being said, and not to be too callous myself, I'm quite sure many people are envious of you and your profession and what you do. I'm not one of those people. I think you have many attributes, but none of them have to do with what you do now--I'm impressed with what you've done to get there, not with where you are.

You're upset that he called you a chump? You're a professional and I'm quite sure that's the least you've been called. Sometimes, if you want to show your superiority, as it's obvious you do, it's best just to not let things get to you. This is a football forum. But you're acting like an amateur.
 

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The slams aside (which you both did), I think it's ignorant (and callous) to act like you're imparting some knowledge of the world which the rest of us have no clue about (see my underline). Especially when you say you're guessing most people here don't (basically have a clue).

good grief. I'm not saying people here don't have a clue. I'm guessing that most people don't deal with agents on a regular basis. is stating that fact really that callous? I believe it gives me a different perspective. sue me for having the perspective. imparting something from my POV, one that probably is different then most, doesn't make it BETTER or make ME better, just informs where I'm coming from.

That may be true. It may not. I know of at least one person on here who interviewed for the GM position years (and years and years) ago for the Cardinals, so I think it's fair to say you aren't the only one with such knowledge. You're not the most intelligent person on this board, nor the most successful, so I truly believe you should stop acting like it.

holy crap...REALLY? I said I have a perspective different from most on the board. I never called myself more intelligent...or more successful. just that my opinion has come from a different angle. different doesn't mean BETTER. you're reading wayyyyyyyy too much into this.

That being said, and not to be too callous myself, I'm quite sure many people are envious of you and your profession and what you do. I'm not one of those people. I think you have many attributes, but none of them have to do with what you do now--I'm impressed with what you've done to get there, not with where you are.

wow. I'm not trying to stoke the fires of envy. I've just dealt with these type of people and was stating why I don't buy much of what an agent says.

You're upset that he called you a chump? You're a professional and I'm quite sure that's the least you've been called. Sometimes, if you want to show your superiority, as it's obvious you do, it's best just to not let things get to you.

my superiority...ha. if you knew me in any way shape or form, you'd chuckle at the idea of me feeling "superior". again, it's a subject i know about, thus commented to that fact.

I may act superior about football knowledge (for right or wrong)...that I'll give you. but I in no way feel "superior" because of what I do. i feel LUCKY. but if a subject is brought up that I feel like I have a different perspective because of the profession I'm in, I'm going to impart that. again, different doesn't mean superior.

This is a football forum. But you're acting like an amateur.

lol...okay.
 
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I'm just mystified that me basically saying "i deal with these types of people all the time and I don't trust anything they say" started this slugfest.

hell...Guersney's response was even pretty funny when I look at it now and I set myself up for that...but the whole "you're callous, superior" stuff that followed? color me a little surprised.

I mean...if someone got in trouble with the law and Shane commented based on his work as a cop, would he be blasted as "callous and superior" for offering up his opinion on the matter?

people out in the Hell A get a bad rap (and much of it's deserved), but I in no way think i'm better, smarter or superior to people here.
 

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I'm just mystified that me basically saying "i deal with these types of people all the time and I don't trust anything they say" started this slugfest.

hell...Guersney's response was even pretty funny when I look at it now and I set myself up for that...but the whole "you're callous, superior" stuff that followed? color me a little surprised.

I mean...if someone got in trouble with the law and Shane commented based on his work as a cop, would he be blasted as "callous and superior" for offering up his opinion on the matter?

people out in the Hell A get a bad rap (and much of it's deserved), but I in no way think i'm better, smarter or superior to people here.

Have you seen some of the posts to Shane? He's got thicker skin than you. Way thicker.

That being said, this is why I never respond when I post something, because everyone is entitled to their own opinion and who am I to trash it? Your post could have been worded better (go read it) and so could mine and so could GuernseyCard's.

I don't have a problem with you or him, but I take more issue with you playing a snob up there <points> for posts and posts and then being humble when someone calls you out. Now you're playing the victim.

And I can't go on with this to infinity because I don't care that much. I said my piece, so did others, so did you. Let this argument die as it deserves to die.
 

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Have you seen some of the posts to Shane? He's got thicker skin than you. Way thicker.

That being said, this is why I never respond when I post something, because everyone is entitled to their own opinion and who am I to trash it? Your post could have been worded better (go read it) and so could mine and so could GuernseyCard's.

I don't have a problem with you or him, but I take more issue with you playing a snob up there <points> for posts and posts and then being humble when someone calls you out. Now you're playing the victim.

And I can't go on with this to infinity because I don't care that much. I said my piece, so did others, so did you. Let this argument die as it deserves to die.

Lol..you call me a snob and then say, let this die? Ok...I'm a snob and you get the last word. I'm fine with that.

Now if you don't mind, I have a call to make to my agent to see where we're at with Will Ferrel. :D
 

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Best of luck man. You'll fit right in.
 
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And now...back on topic. I think Levi Brown sucks and will be replaced via the draft or FA next offseason.
 

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Lol...thanks and I'd love to see what you wrote here before you edited it. ;)

It was uncouth and beneath either of us. I do wish you the best of luck, it's a hard--extremely hard--business to get in to. I respect, and always have, what you had to do and sacrifice to get in the "racket" and I won't diminish that. I don't have the right or the knowledge to criticize your profession. Your posts are a different matter--haha--but I'm pretty much done with that.
 

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It was uncouth and beneath either of us. I do wish you the best of luck, it's a hard--extremely hard--business to get in to. I respect, and always have, what you had to do and sacrifice to get in the "racket" and I won't diminish that. I don't have the right or the knowledge to criticize your profession. Your posts are a different matter--haha--but I'm pretty much done with that.

Dude...whatever you wanted to say criticize me racket would likely be spot on! It's a ridiculous business filled with ridiculous people...myself included!

But now my curiosity is piqued! Come on, just PM me what you originally said. Just for poops and giggles. It was probably pretty funny!
 

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Dude...whatever you wanted to say criticize me racket would likely be spot on! It's a ridiculous business filled with ridiculous people...myself included!

But now my curiosity is piqued! Come on, just PM me what you originally said. Just for poops and giggles. It was probably pretty funny!

It wasn't funny. I respect your job and what you've had to sacrifice to get there. My issue was with a couple of your posts. It doesn't even matter to me what job people have, they do the best they can, they try as hard as they can to feed their families. Regardless of profession. I can't bang on it. Everyone does the best they can man.
 

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I missed most of the good stuff, and I'll be damned if I'm going to fat thumb my iPhone anywhere to catch up. I'm still backing Levi Brown. Damn the torpedoes, and damn you cheesebeef. Damn you!!
 

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I missed most of the good stuff, and I'll be damned if I'm going to fat thumb my iPhone anywhere to catch up. I'm still backing Levi Brown. Damn the torpedoes, and damn you cheesebeef. Damn you!!

get the ether out 11 and it's on like Donkey Kong!
 

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Down and out three, muchacho, down and out three.

Anyone else think that Miley Cirus looks like Gozzer from Ghostbusters? All over exaggerated and stupid looking? Not to mention the cement dog statues...
 

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Down and out three, muchacho, down and out three.

it's going to take all the ether in the world to make that one happen! Hell...we tried to show DO2 last week to my friend Jenny who's been dying to see it for eons and the damn DVD wouldn't work. if that's not a sign that "franchise" is over, I don't know what is!

I do wish that someday I can sell the script version of that movie though. I'd die laughing if my first produced movie was a sequel to nothing.
 

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Dear Mr. beef.

Please try to be less callous, but more calloused.

Thank you.
 

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I think it's fair to say that he isn't an ELITE LT, but you don't know if he SUCKS either. He has gone up against three ELITE pass rushers, and got little to no help. Only Freeney owned him, and while he was beaten by Ware on a couple of occasions, he more or less held his own. And I think he got the better of Clay Mathews. Until we see how he does against a pass rusher, non-elite, I'd say the jury is still out. That said, we do need an ELITE LT, from either next year's draft or FA. That said we are better off this year than last at LT.
 
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I think it's fair to say that he isn't an ELITE LT, but you don't know if he SUCKS either. He has gone up against three ELITE pass rushers, and got little to no help. Only Freeney owned him, and while he was beaten by Ware on a couple of occasions, he more or less held his own. And I think he got the better of Clay Mathews. Until we see how he does against a pass rusher, non-elite, I'd say the jury is still out. That said, we do need an ELITE LT, from either next year's draft or FA. That said we are better off this year than last at LT.

Levi blocked Ware for what...3 series? Matthews 2 series? Yeah, Levi's awesome. ;)
 

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I think it's fair to say that he isn't an ELITE LT, but you don't know if he SUCKS either.

I've had five years to make my opinion of Brown. I think that's a fair amount of time to determine if he sucks or not. I mean, he's played maybe a full four quarters this pre-season and racked up 3 false starts, 2 holdings penalties and given up 2 sacks. That's REALLY awful for four quarters worth of football.

and you list Dwight Freeney as an ELITE pass rusher, but he hasn't been elite for since 2010, his play noticeably dropping off in the last two seasons.

is he the better then what we had last year at the position? sure. but that's like saying a singe piece of poop is better then non-stop diaherrea. bottom line, they both stink.
 

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I've had five years to make my opinion of Brown. I think that's a fair amount of time to determine if he sucks or not. I mean, he's played maybe a full four quarters this pre-season and racked up 3 false starts, 2 holdings penalties and given up 2 sacks. That's REALLY awful for four quarters worth of football.

and you list Dwight Freeney as an ELITE pass rusher, but he hasn't been elite for since 2010, his play noticeably dropping off in the last two seasons.

is he the better then what we had last year at the position? sure. but that's like saying a singe piece of poop is better then non-stop diaherrea. bottom line, they both stink.
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