Allowing Levi Brown to Reach Free Agency Is...

[Buckybird]

Most were glad to see Leonard Davis go. And who replaced him? Not Levi Brown but journeyman Mike Gandy. I don't remember the Cards offense suffering with Gandy at LT. We won't miss Levi and there is no reason to reach for a LT in the draft either. A solid veteran LT will do just fine.

LOL Here comes the tired old Warner did it all by himself argument.

Sorry pods but the Cards running game was also better in ypc than it had been in almost 25 years in 2009. The Cards could put Jeremy Bridges, who just happened to be starting vs Green Bay in the playoffs when the Cards offense went off the charts, at LT this fall and we wouldn't even know Levi Brown was gone.

Here's some K9 hyperbole for you: It wasn't Warner retiring or having DAnderson or Kevin Kolb at QB that killed the Cards offense. It was moving Levi Brown to LT. 3 years of awesome offense and then Levi goes to Left Tackle and the offense goes down the toilet.

At least us Texans got it right

Boo him on gameday, now wanting him to stay WTF

 

[Cbus cardsfan]

Those who think Brown is going to sign for 5-6 million, imo, are severely mistaking the market. He's going to get a very nice contract. He's part of the reason the Cards played well down the stretch. If I thought Rod Graves had any kind of plan for a replacement, I don't think it would be a huge mistake to let him go. Planning on using the draft to get his replcement, which is probably the idea, is a bad course of action. For once, why can't the Cards add talent instead of trying to replace talent?

 

[az1965]

We have been constantly complaining about him... so now he hits FA. I say we move on. That's why we carefully planned well to have a proper replacement for him... oh, wait...

 

[Syracusecards]

For those that voted it a mistake, do you really want to pay him top dollar just because he's better than other options this year? And then be stuck with him for 4 more years? For those that think we can get him back cheap, think again. Somebody out there is going to pay him a ridiculous amount of money.

 

[THESMEL]

link

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/03/02/cardinals-face-a-tough-decision-on-levi-brown/


There are SB caliber left tackles all over the place, Not!
I was a fan of LD and i am a fan of Levi, He owes us nothing, I'm proud the Cards signed him as the 5th overall pick and I give him as much credit as anyone for our SB run. Kurt had enough time to set records and take us to the SB with Levi playing left and Right tackle. no matter what happens I thank Levi for being a Cardinal.

I know all get tired of my evaluations, but i don't think many would have held up as well as Levi , when we basically dared defenses to pass rush him over 3000 times in 5 years. He missed some but so would anyone under that many pressures! The fact remains he blocked well enough under the worse conditions a run blocking Tackle ever faced, He deserves every dime he gets.

If he can get the same from a team where more fans like him and appreciate him like LD? Most men would take the love and the money, with the choices Levi has. His contract forces a contract in his 6th year- like it was designed. I wish our fans treated our franchise players better, but it don't. The culture spews poison not success. I'm guilty and preaching to the choir.

We need to pull up our big girl panties and quit Whining like a little witch. Pay him 10 million a year and keep our continuity. We did not respect Deuce or Lyle much either, Wells, Bridges they all did well. The past is gone, now is forever, pay Duece, Lyle, and Levi more than Porter and Faneca- it is a no brainer for our birds. IMO Graves and Whiz are cut throat not loyal to the right players.

 

[Buckybird]

link

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/03/02/cardinals-face-a-tough-decision-on-levi-brown/



We need to pull up our big girl panties and quit Whining like a little witch. Pay him 10 million a year and keep our continuity.

Omg you really have no clue!

Btw-Levi isn't a Super Bowl caliber LT...never has been, never wil be. I can think of at least 3 LTs that have pass blocked the same amount of plays over the years I would take over Levi If they were blindfolded

 

[THESMEL]

clueless

Well others are the ones saying he aint worth a squirt of piss if he was on fire, I bet he gets closer to $10 million than he gets closer to a squirt of piss on a flat rock. By one or all the Clueless winning teams!

Kurt Warner did it all by himself, He is like Atlas holding up the world on one finger.

Levi successfully block many bad players with their ears pinned back without even considering the run, remember the Jets game after 6 turnovers in the first half! He has forgot more about pressure situations than most tackles are asked to produce.

His best years still lie ahead watch and learn, again. it is a replay like LD, Garrison Hearst, Simeon Rice, Thomas Jones is top 10 all time! for christ sakes! The grass is greener!







link
http://insider.espn.go.com/nfl/draf...ard=-1&collegecoach=-1&highschool=-1&x=40&y=6

Omg you really have no clue!

Btw-Levi isn't a Super Bowl caliber LT...never has been, never wil be. I can think of at least 3 LTs that have pass blocked the same amount of plays over the years I would take over Levi If they were blindfolded

 

[TJ]

Some evaluations of Levi Brown:

http://www.profootballfocus.com/blog/2011/06/13/2010-pass-blocking-efficiency-tackles/

That contest pushed him past Levi Brown. You feel for the Cardinal tackle, he was shifted to the left side because they wanted to keep him away from the blind side of leftie Matt Leinart. Only Leinart went, and Brown remained on the left side with right handed quarterbacks. The results were somewhat disastrous. 16 defenders had multiple pressure days against Brown, including less illustrious names such as Chauncey Davis, George Selvie and Jeff Charleston. Whoever is playing quarterback will be hoping either Brown isn’t at left tackle, or he improves tremendously.

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/...worst-starters-post-super-bowl-edition/page/8

Levi Brown is the worst left tackle that the NFL has to offer, and there is no reason why the Arizona Cardinals should bring him back as their starter for 2012.
Brown allowed a career-high 11.5 sacks last season, which amounted to 92.50 total yards lost—that is pathetic.
After being the fifth overall pick back in 2007, Brown is a complete bust.

http://footballoutsiders.com/audibles/2011/audibles-line-week-16

I also think Levi Brown has been the most consistent player in the NFL over the past four years. His level of play is awful and it hasn't changed at all.

After watching his play the past five seasons and reading about how he is arguably one of the worst offensive tackles in the entire league, I do not see any incentive in bringing him back under any circumstance. You can argue "continuity" on the line until you're blue in the face, but it doesn't change the fact that bringing back Levi is accepting ineptitude at the LT position (or RT for that matter) for 3-4 more years.

Take this opportunity to find an upgrade, either in free agency or the draft.

 

[Buckybird]

Well others are the ones saying he aint worth a squirt of piss if he was on fire, I bet he gets closer to $10 million than he gets closer to a squirt of piss on a flat rock. By one or all the Clueless winning teams!

Kurt Warner did it all by himself, He is like Atlas holding up the world on one finger.

Levi successfully block many bad players with their ears pinned back without even considering the run, remember the Jets game after 6 turnovers in the first half! He has forgot more about pressure situations than most tackles are asked to produce.

His best years still lie ahead watch and learn, again. it is a replay like LD, Garrison Hearst, Simeon Rice, Thomas Jones is top 10 all time! for christ sakes! The grass is greener!

I'm sure he will get $7-8 mil a year, but that doesn't mean it's the right thing to do. Themsel, I'm pretty darn sure since Levi's arrival in 2007, hes one of the worst OTs in the league in allowing QB sacks & pressures! I was also pissed that the players you mentioned left to other teams, but those peeps have nothing to do with #75, who is regarded by many & statiscally to be an poor/average player at best.

I'm sure you're a good guy who's passionate about the Big Red but your luv for Leinart, Wells and Levi plus your anger for Wiz are way out of touch IMO. I thought Leinart was going to be a star & still have hopes for Beanie, but Ive never seen much from Levi. Nothing personal, just strongly disagree because of the facts of which they have shown on the field. Leinart sucked after getting hurt, Beanies always hurt & Brown is a disappointment and 1 of the worst starting 22 on the Cards roster.

 

[THESMEL]

HMM They are so wrong

When Fitz can catch what he caught, Beanie gets 10 TD's and 1000 yards on one leg, and we still pass like our hair is on fire regardless of the QB.

Arizona was dead last in rushing attempts in 3 out 5 of Levis years, and 2nd in pass attempts in 3 out 5 of levis years( behind the saints who were balanced)

You better sale that crap to somebody that doesn't watch the game, To be last in rush attempt over a 5 year span and 2nd in pass attempts over that same 5 year span- Has never been attempted by a tackle or an oline!

It is stupid Kurt or no Kurt- Saints didn't need a bounty - Whiz killed Kurt off all by himself! Of course our QB's are gonna take a beating repeatedly and forever. Levi and this oline deserve a medal for taking us to 2 nFCW titles and a SB under these conditions.

I've made it clear, of course somebody will say they can't understand me
WE ARE LAST IN RUSH ATTEMPTS
WE ARE LAST IN RUSH ATTMPTS
WE ARE LAST IN RUSH ATTEMPTS

AND THAT KILLS TACKLES AND QB"S WITHOUT EXCEPTION
except Levi Brown- He took us to the SB against our WILL!

Your dog don't hunt

link.
http://espn.go.com/nfl/statistics/team/_/stat/rushing/year/2008

Levi did somethings right, A lot of plays right, three and outs with a 3 score lead, You or they don't have to agree with me but come on,
flip through the years at the pass percentages, the first downs by passing, Joe thomas's team never abandoned the run in the 1st minute of the first 1/4 ever! Levi's team never had a run game to abandon!

http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/teams/stats/ARI//arizona-cardinals

Some evaluations of Levi Brown:

http://www.profootballfocus.com/blog/2011/06/13/2010-pass-blocking-efficiency-tackles/

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/...worst-starters-post-super-bowl-edition/page/8

http://footballoutsiders.com/audibles/2011/audibles-line-week-16

After watching his play the past five seasons and reading about how he is arguably one of the worst offensive tackles in the entire league, I do not see any incentive in bringing him back under any circumstance. You can argue "continuity" on the line until you're blue in the face, but it doesn't change the fact that bringing back Levi is accepting ineptitude at the LT position (or RT for that matter) for 3-4 more years.

Take this opportunity to find an upgrade, either in free agency or the draft.

 

[THESMEL]

One more try

link
http://espn.go.com/nfl/statistics/team/_/stat/defense/sort/sacks/position/defense/year/2008

please click on the sacks button at the top of this page, 26-28 sacks were given up in 2008 -2009, while passing 2/3rds of the time 600 times each year, while having the least rushing attempts in the NFL.

That is by far the best 2 years by an oline ever witnessed, and you can not measure it in the tradition sense, It was the most unbalanced playcalling in the history of earth.

go to the Downs page and see the 231 1st downs by passing to the 70 by rushing? compare it to playoff teams, compare it to losing teams, historically. We passed more and ran less and this oline held up to the worse coaching and playcalling in the universe.

And that aint even counting how it destroys a defense and special teams,

I'm sure he will get $7-8 mil a year, but that doesn't mean it's the right thing to do. Themsel, I'm pretty darn sure since Levi's arrival in 2007, hes one of the worst OTs in the league in allowing QB sacks & pressures! I was also pissed that the players you mentioned left to other teams, but those peeps have nothing to do with #75, who is regarded by many & statiscally to be an poor/average player at best.

I'm sure you're a good guy who's passionate about the Big Red but your luv for Leinart, Wells and Levi plus your anger for Wiz are way out of touch IMO. I thought Leinart was going to be a star & still have hopes for Beanie, but Ive never seen much from Levi. Nothing personal, just strongly disagree because of the facts of which they have shown on the field. Leinart sucked after getting hurt, Beanies always hurt & Brown is a disappointment and 1 of the worst starting 22 on the Cards roster.

 

[52brandon]

link
http://espn.go.com/nfl/statistics/team/_/stat/defense/sort/sacks/position/defense/year/2008

please click on the sacks button at the top of this page, 26-28 sacks were given up in 2008 -2009, while passing 2/3rds of the time 600 times each year, while having the least rushing attempts in the NFL.

That is by far the best 2 years by an oline ever witnessed, and you can not measure it in the tradition sense, It was the most unbalanced playcalling in the history of earth.

go to the Downs page and see the 231 1st downs by passing to the 70 by rushing? compare it to playoff teams, compare it to losing teams, historically. We passed more and ran less and this oline held up to the worse coaching and playcalling in the universe.

And that aint even counting how it destroys a defense and special teams,

I don't get it. Are you arguing that Levi wouldn't have given up so many sacks if we ran the ball more? In related news, you'll get less traffic tickets if you don't drive...

 

[JeffGollin]

On paper, the logical conclusion would be that you sign him - unless it's a 100% lock we can bring in someone better.

I have a different angle - Levi's presence fosters a false sense of security (call it complacency). Not signing him may serve to force the issue and make the FO go in a better direction.

Maybe in this circumstance worrying about an unknown that could turn out better or worse is better than settling for a known entity we know won't work.

 

[kerouac9]

On paper, the logical conclusion would be that you sign him - unless it's a 100% lock we can bring in someone better.

I have a different angle - Levi's presence fosters a false sense of security (call it complacency). Not signing him may serve to force the issue and make the FO go in a better direction.

Maybe in this circumstance worrying about an unknown that could turn out better or worse is better than settling for a known entity we know won't work.

7-2 the last 9 games of the season seemed to work.

 

[RugbyMuffin]

7-2 the last 9 games of the season seemed to work.

Double Deuce.

Funny I use that arguement with John Skelton and it never seems to take.
:3amigos:

 

[Crazy Canuck]

Double Deuce.

Funny I use that arguement with John Skelton and it never seems to take.
:3amigos:

.... because we remember how many times the "D" bailed him out.

 

[kerouac9]

Double Deuce.

Funny I use that arguement with John Skelton and it never seems to take.
:3amigos:

It's a sample size argument for me. I love that John Skelton is like 8-2 when he plays the majority of games, but I'd like to see him be a little more involved in the wins. I think we're at a tipping point with John where the League has figured him out (as it does with everyone), and Skelton needs to determine how to step up his game to get ahead of defensive coordinators again.

We have to see what we have in Kolb this year, but I think he'll be on a short leash and quick chain.

 

[ASUCHRIS]

We have to see what we have in Kolb this year, but I think he'll be on a short leash and quick chain.

Or concussed...

 

[Duckjake]

7-2 the last 9 games of the season seemed to work.

It's a sample size argument for me. I love that John Skelton is like 8-2 when he plays the majority of games, but I'd like to see him be a little more involved in the wins. I think we're at a tipping point with John where the League has figured him out (as it does with everyone), and Skelton needs to determine how to step up his game to get ahead of defensive coordinators again.

The Cards only gave up 17 points a game the latter half of the season (so we don't need to upgrade our defense?)

Where are you coming from? We have nothing but we have something? I don't get it.

 

[kerouac9]

Where are you coming from? We have nothing but we have something? I don't get it.

I think the defense is solid to the point of diminishing returns by adding to it on offense. I think/hope that the return of Dan Williams helps solidify the middle of the defense against the run, as does returning Kerry Rhodes for 16 games (who's a better hitter than people give him credit for here for some reason).

I think that arguments that Levi Brown "doesn't work" ignore the evidence of Kevin Kolb running himself into sacks early in the season combined with Levi Brown being a notorious slow starter (and has been his whole career). Levi didn't just string together the 8 best games of his career; every season ends with the best 8 games of his career.

I think the argument from the end of the season is against re-building the offensive line, but for creating more competition for it. I don't think that it makes sense to add to the defense, but I'd love to invest draft capital at OLB and ILB depth/youth (I don't think Sturdivant makes the roster coming out of camp).

I don't really see where you're confused. I think that we need to get better on offense, but you don't get better by getting rid of your second-best player, who is probably Levi Brown (on the line). The quarterback situation isn't going to change, but you have to hope that competition between the two improves one or both players.

I'm waiting until next week to put together an offseason plan--the free agency lists haven't been released/updated yet, for starters. But my long-time policy is that you don't make holes where there's nothing to fill them.

 

[JeffGollin]

7-2 the last 9 games of the season seemed to work.

Granted, we did better in the last 9 games but I'm not buying that Levi had a sudden epiphany and single-handedly caused us to win those games.

There were plenty of plays during those games where our QB's blindside protection remained an adventure.

 

[Cheesebeef]

I think the defense is solid to the point of diminishing returns by adding to it on offense. I think/hope that the return of Dan Williams helps solidify the middle of the defense against the run, as does returning Kerry Rhodes for 16 games (who's a better hitter than people give him credit for here for some reason).

I think that arguments that Levi Brown "doesn't work" ignore the evidence of Kevin Kolb running himself into sacks early in the season combined with Levi Brown being a notorious slow starter (and has been his whole career). Levi didn't just string together the 8 best games of his career; every season ends with the best 8 games of his career.

man... i just don't know who you've been watching to make the comment that Levi is always solid in the last eight games of the season. up until this season, the guy was pretty much a disaster 16 games a year.

 

[bg7brd]

man... i just don't know who you've been watching to make the comment that Levi is always solid in the last eight games of the season. up until this season, the guy was pretty much a disaster 16 games a year.

Then how did he become a pro bowl alternate in 2009?

 

[Buckybird]

Then how did he become a pro bowl alternate in 2009?

Pro Bowl voting means jack squat these days...I think some us on this board received votes last year

 

[Buckybird]

you don't get better by getting rid of your second-best player, who is probably Levi Brown (on the line). .

Who IMO is in the bottom third in terms of talent of our starting 22