Amaré: Fans Must Be Patient

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By Scott Bordow
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July 25, 2006

For two years, Steve Nash tore his hair out because the Suns didn’t have a capable backup point guard. Then he cuts his hair off and Phoenix signs Marcus Banks. How fair is that?

Anyway, with Banks in the fold and the roster all but set, only one question remains this summer:

How will Amaré Stoudemire look come training camp in October?

You’ll remember that on draft day, owner Robert Sarver trotted Stoudemire out like he was a show horse and introduced him as the Suns’ No. 1 pick.

The implication: We don’t need any help from the draft. We have Amaré.

The diversion played well with the crowd, but now we know what the Suns weren’t telling us that day: Stoudemire won’t be completely healthy when the Suns open the season.

Team chairman Jerry Colangelo said Monday, “I don’t think anyone should have a thought that he’ll be ready 100 percent come fall. He’s feeling a little better about where he is, but he has a long way to go to get ready for the season.”

Although that sounds ominous, there’s no reason for Suns fans to look for the nearest cliff.

Stoudemire’s rehabilitation is progressing smoothly. Coach Mike D’Antoni said Stoudemire hasn’t had any swelling or pain after practices in Las Vegas with the U.S. national team and looks better than he did in summer league play earlier this month.

“Every day we work their butts off for two hours, and the next day he feels pretty good,” D’Antoni said. “That’s encouraging. To me what’s separated the guys who can’t come back is they can’t sustain constant work. Those are the ones that have the problem. The ones that don’t have a problem work seven straight days, and Amaré is doing that.”

Recovering from microfracture surgery, however, is a mental burden as well as a physical burden. Former Cardinals defensive end Andre Wadsworth said one of the toughest things he had to do was convince himself his knee could handle the burden of playing football.

Stoudemire is encountering the same self-doubt.

“He favors it sometimes unconsciously,” D’Antoni said. “That’s how he’s done it for a year. It’s going to take time for him to relearn how to run fluidly and not think about it.”

Making matters more difficult is the way Stoudemire plays. His game is predicated on his explosiveness, and until he believes he can be Superman again, he won’t be.

“I think he’ll get better and better as the season progresses,” Colangelo said. “But before he can get his explosiveness back he needs to be in great shape, then bust through these hurdles, in terms of his confidence physically. Structurally he’s fine. But what he’s dealing with is having the confidence to explode.”

The best thing for Stoudemire would be to play in the four exhibition games leading up to the world championships next month in Japan. He needs to test his knee in game action, and better to do it in August than November.

There had been some talk that Stoudemire wouldn’t make the team, which will make its first roster cuts today. But coach Mike Krzyzewski praised Stoudemire’s play on Sunday, and the Suns’ forward has some powerful friends on his side: Colangelo is the team’s managing director, and D’Antoni is an assistant coach.

“I think it would be good for him to play,” Colangelo said. “It can only help him.”

In other words, Stoudemire should dust off his passport.

Stoudemire seems to understand the benefit of the overseas trip as well. A month ago, he said he’d probably pass on Japan because he didn’t want to miss the birth of his second child. On Sunday, however, he said he’d like to go.

“He’s feeling so good,” D’Antoni said. “A lot of it was based on trepidation, what kind of shape he was in. But he’s really taken to the challenge.” There will be more challenges along the way. One year is a blink of an eye when it comes to recovering from microfracture surgery.

Those who hoped to see the Stoudemire of old likely will be disappointed come training camp. He may also encounter problems playing in back-toback games.

But July isn’t as important as November, and November isn’t as crucial as June. So be patient. Stoudemire is worth the wait.
 

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with everything we've seen of him in summer play and all this talk about being patient, how in the world did anyone believe it was possible that he was going to be back during the season last season? i'm baffled. has medicine changed that much in 6 months?
 

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Ouchie-Z-Clown said:
with everything we've seen of him in summer play and all this talk about being patient, how in the world did anyone believe it was possible that he was going to be back during the season last season? i'm baffled. has medicine changed that much in 6 months?

Well he did have to deal with a seperate injury.
 

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This is terrible. Take the quotes in the article, and they are the exact same quotes we heard all of last year as he was getting ready to come back. The "he's not good now, but he'll get there." Yeah, well that never happened.

I've been pretty optimistic throughout, but I'm now beginning to think that this injury/and his mental inability to overcome it, are gonna greatly altar his entire career.
 

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hsandhu said:
This is terrible. Take the quotes in the article, and they are the exact same quotes we heard all of last year as he was getting ready to come back. The "he's not good now, but he'll get there." Yeah, well that never happened.

I've been pretty optimistic throughout, but I'm now beginning to think that this injury/and his mental inability to overcome it, are gonna greatly altar his entire career.

Don't put yourself on an emotional rollercoaster over what you think someone is implying in an article. I've decided that the only judgement I'll make on Amare's health is after I see him play in the regular season.
 

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No, but it looks like the Suns philosophy on managing expectations has

So true.

Amare said he was 70 percent a few weeks ago. And more recently claimed a 'night and day' improvement since then. Only to give us another '70 percent' assessment today. Which is it?

I honestly just don't understand the mental block side of it. Either you can explode off your leg or you can't. Either you feel fine or you don't. I would understand if you were mentally trepidant in your first session back on the court, or maybe even for the first week, but he's been playing full court now for at least a month. At what point do you just say, 'screw it,' and rise up off one foot and tomahawk? Again, either your knee's better or it's not. Either your muscle mass is back or it's not.

That doctor (butcher?) said Amare would be back to '100 percent.' Full strength. No difference between old Amare and new Amare. He's young. It's a tiny microfracture. It's a non-weight-bearing location in the joint. Etc.

Now suddenly we're being prepared for a worse Amare. This surgery took place almost a year ago. A year is a long time to heal, and you wonder, when is this claimed 100 percent supposed to kick in? A year and a half? Two years? Three years? Among other things we heard was that the new 'cartilage' wouldn't last longer than four years... that he'd ultimately need another surgery. So at what point does recovery end and deterioration begin?

It's all very disheartening.
 

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:rolleyes:

When will the gloom-and-doom end on this board? Do you guys really not know how good we have it right now? Even if Amare is at 80% come playoff time (or even if he doesn't come back at all, which is highly improbable)we have enough to win the championship.

I swear, by the way some of you whine you'd think we were in the Knicks situation. Sometimes I wish we could just start the season already so that we would have something other than these injuries/potential injuries to focus on.
 
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SactownSunsFan said:
:rolleyes:

When will the gloom-and-doom end on this board? Do you guys really not know how good we have it right now? Even if Amare is at 80% come playoff time (or even if he doesn't come back at all, which is highly improbable)we have enough to win the championship.

I swear, by the way some of you whine you'd think we were in the Knicks situation. Sometimes I wish we could just start the season already so that we would have something other than these injuries/potential injuries to focus on.

QFT

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i'm getting SICK off all this whining from A LOT of you guys.

if Amare's not perfect and 110%, then he might as well be Penny Hardaway right now in many of your guy's minds.

if everything else isnt PERFECT, then we might as well be the knicks. i swear, it seems like ALL THE TIME some of you look for reasons to complain, whine and moan, and NEVER enjoy the suns.

when amare was coming back last season, the suns organization rushed him. you, me, and everyone else knows it. a healthy amare would have guarranteed a championship. we were as close as we've ever been. its an aweful feeling admitting halfway through the season that we CANT win it all. so what the suns did was put a false hope in our minds. it sucks to say it, but it was the truth.

how the hell could we have expected him to be completely healed in 8 months, when it takes at least a year. now that he is on the CORRECT time table, some of you act as though he'll NEVER heal. does that make ANY sense.
 

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SactownSunsFan said:
:rolleyes:

When will the gloom-and-doom end on this board? Do you guys really not know how good we have it right now? Even if Amare is at 80% come playoff time (or even if he doesn't come back at all, which is highly improbable)we have enough to win the championship.

I swear, by the way some of you whine you'd think we were in the Knicks situation. Sometimes I wish we could just start the season already so that we would have something other than these injuries/potential injuries to focus on.

LMAO....Guys its okay to lament that THE ONE FRANCHISE PLAYER this team has ever drafted and grown in the last 40 years is liekly to never be the same. I am not saying put a gun to your head but how myopic can we be that this article isn't the least bit both telling and upsetting? Slowly my expectations for what Amare will ever do again is growing lower and lower and if he does get it back then i will be pleasently surprised.

I suggest all of us look at this the same way as this article a year from the surgery is certainly not a good sign. If the same thing happened to Lebron and i lived in Cleveland I would be crying for decades. Literally decades. This was unequivacally the worst thing that could have happened other than the guy dying and it makes me sad. Sometimes i wonder about our luck...

Oh well we must move on and maybe this will have a happy ending. I hope so. If not im hitching my title hopes to the Boris Diaw bandwagon....
 
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We will never know what would have happened if Amare's other knee had not acted up last March. Ring?

In any case, I've read nothing that warrents doom and gloom. JC is right, this team can get to the playoffs without Amare because they did it. As long as he can keep working, I expect he will keep improving physically and mentally.
 

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We don't need amare to be 100% healthy at the start of the season anyway, we didn't have TT for most of the season last year and with KT out there we were playoff bound.

Amare still has more then half the season after it starts to work himself into shape.
 

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ill give him to the all-star break before i make any conclusions. by then he should almost be at full recovery
 

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ill give him to the all-star break before i make any conclusions. by then he should almost be at full recovery


I thought the time table for full recovery(or close to it) was 18-24 months. I'm just hoping Amare can play and be effective until then.
 

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I dont understand why people are drawing negativity from this article. Its just saying people shouldnt expect him to be the old amare at this point(no one should). I dont know about everyone else, but the fact that he is handling a heavy workload, and not having significant pain is very encouraging in itself...not to mention the fact he has looked good in recent USA practices. Remember Kidd and others have said it realistically takes 2 years to feel completley normal again. The fact that amare is feeling alot better at this point has me thinking he is right on schedule.
 

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That's what's great about public forums, you have the pessimists and you have the optimists, and everyone gets to toss in their $.02, and that's what makes it fun.

You optimists bug us pessimists as much as we bug you. It may not be fun to listen to the guy in 'Aliens' yelling 'Game over, man! Game over!' But it also sucks to listen to someone who's cheerily, happily, unrealistically chirping the party line no matter what the evidence.

You have to understand, also, that I like to use pessimism as a shield against negative results. If I convince myself something's going to turn out poorly, I won't be as disappointed if it does, and I'll be doubly pleased if it actually turns out well.

Pessimism! Working for me! =)

I mean...

=(
 

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I really think the article is positive concerning Amare and explains a lot of things to me. Actually I am more hopeful now.

IMO, Amare was physically ready to return last season but over compensated for his microfracture surgery to his left knee by relying too much on his right knee. I hope I got the knees right.

Since the right knee started bothering Amare because of this overcompensation, he became insecure and wanted the right knee examined (scoped and cleaned out) to reassure himself that this knee did not need microfracture as well.

Again, this is still my opinion only.

I believe Amare is healthy now but he will not play like he is near 100% healthy until he is mentally willing to rely on these knees for his explosiveness. His belief in his knees is not a light switch he can turn on or off... he has to mentally believe they are fine. I think many of us have had injuries in our lifetime and recovered physically but it took a year or more to trust that the injury to be completely healed.

So Amare will continue to rehab and play until he fully regains his confidence regarding the injury. It's a hard blow for a healthy young man to suddenly realize one day that he is mortal. If my theory is true, Amare can go from thinking he is 70% ready to play one day to 100% ready within days.

Also, I think he will worry about every ache and pain to his knees that are minor until he gets over this mental obstacle. A person cannot completely control what they worry about, especially if it is based on fact... that there really was a tiger at the door so to speak.
 

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Wow, I thought all of the press regarding Amare has been pretty positive. I mean this is an Olympic team loaded with great players and the coach thinks Amare at 70% is worth keeping on the team? How can that be a bad thing. If the guy weren't playing great and getting better they would have told him to go home a long time ago.

They've cut the roster down and Amare get's one of the remaining spots? I can't imagine that they would have kept him on the roster if he weren't healthy and playing well. Maybe it's just me. Maybe I'm completely missing something here.
 

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Muggum said:
So true.

Amare said he was 70 percent a few weeks ago. And more recently claimed a 'night and day' improvement since then. Only to give us another '70 percent' assessment today. Which is it?

I honestly just don't understand the mental block side of it. Either you can explode off your leg or you can't. Either you feel fine or you don't. I would understand if you were mentally trepidant in your first session back on the court, or maybe even for the first week, but he's been playing full court now for at least a month. At what point do you just say, 'screw it,' and rise up off one foot and tomahawk? Again, either your knee's better or it's not. Either your muscle mass is back or it's not.

That doctor (butcher?) said Amare would be back to '100 percent.' Full strength. No difference between old Amare and new Amare. He's young. It's a tiny microfracture. It's a non-weight-bearing location in the joint. Etc.

Now suddenly we're being prepared for a worse Amare. This surgery took place almost a year ago. A year is a long time to heal, and you wonder, when is this claimed 100 percent supposed to kick in? A year and a half? Two years? Three years? Among other things we heard was that the new 'cartilage' wouldn't last longer than four years... that he'd ultimately need another surgery. So at what point does recovery end and deterioration begin?

It's all very disheartening.


as frigthened as i am by the possible downside, it is obvious from this post that you've never experienced a serious injury. the mental side of things takes an INCREDIBLY long time. it's not something that you just decide one day, "okay, i'm over it and i'm good." it happens gradually. in fact, you don't even realize that you're over it until it dawns on you that you've been over for a little while. b/c you're body is not accustomed to doing things a certain way your brain takes a long time to remember what your body is capable of doing. it's an automatic defense mechanism of the body's during the healing process.
 

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i'm getting SICK off all this whining from A LOT of you guys.

if Amare's not perfect and 110%, then he might as well be Penny Hardaway right now in many of your guy's minds.

if everything else isnt PERFECT, then we might as well be the knicks. i swear, it seems like ALL THE TIME some of you look for reasons to complain, whine and moan, and NEVER enjoy the suns.

when amare was coming back last season, the suns organization rushed him. you, me, and everyone else knows it. a healthy amare would have guarranteed a championship. we were as close as we've ever been. its an aweful feeling admitting halfway through the season that we CANT win it all. so what the suns did was put a false hope in our minds. it sucks to say it, but it was the truth.

how the hell could we have expected him to be completely healed in 8 months, when it takes at least a year. now that he is on the CORRECT time table, some of you act as though he'll NEVER heal. does that make ANY sense.


your exaggerations are just as annoying, if not more, than the "whining" (which in reality is concern).
 

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Last summer when Amare was playing pickup games at Scottsdale Community College, did anyone who is a member here see the games in person? I meant to go watch, and never got around to it.

I'm wondering if playing in the summer after his first long playoff run contributed undue amounts of stress to Amare's knee.

Sorry if this is a rehash of old stuff, but I'm a new member here.
 

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For staters, people that whine about the whiners need to grasp some things. Fans have a right to complain. Flat out they were lied to and mislead from day one. We were setup to be let down. I say "we" but in reality I was never gullible enough to believe their four month recovery times or their "we wont bring him back until he's 100%". I almost never trust Suns propaganda about injuries and return dates...thats a lesson for you guys in the future. Quit taking everything as fact as far as what the Suns "choose" to share with you as far as information. Quit acting like sheep and think for yourselves and look at what is LOGICAL. Players just don't make quick recoveries from microfracture PERIOD. Normal recovery times for a "100%" return are 12-18 months. Anyone that thought anything different was drinking too much Suns koolaid.
 
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Muggum said:
That's what's great about public forums, you have the pessimists and you have the optimists, and everyone gets to toss in their $.02, and that's what makes it fun.

You optimists bug us pessimists as much as we bug you. It may not be fun to listen to the guy in 'Aliens' yelling 'Game over, man! Game over!' But it also sucks to listen to someone who's cheerily, happily, unrealistically chirping the party line no matter what the evidence.

You have to understand, also, that I like to use pessimism as a shield against negative results. If I convince myself something's going to turn out poorly, I won't be as disappointed if it does, and I'll be doubly pleased if it actually turns out well.

Pessimism! Working for me! =)

I mean...

=(

Muggum, I don't blame you, I blame your mother for not beating the pessimism out of you.
 

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