Amare misses another practice

[pokerface]

When you say "I have seen microfracture cases...", what do you mean? Are you just taking what we all know as sports fans with guys like Penny, Allan Houston, Andre Wadsworth, Swann, etc.? Or do you have some first hand experience in the field?

You're not aware of the Zach Randolph or Kenyon Martin cases? Didnt they take a year plus?

 

[green machine]

You're not aware of the Zach Randolph or Kenyon Martin cases? Didnt they take a year plus?

I am aware of those cases, but even those guys played the next season, sometimes not on back to backs or like their old selves, but they played without doing anymore damage it would seem. You didn't answer my question. I only ask because if you are basing your opinion on the same information that we all have, then you can't possibly say what you are saying is for sure the correct line of thinking. All you can say is it's your opinion, and that's fine, you are allowed to have one. Just don't talk down to everyone else and act like you are certainly right when really there is no proof of that.

 

[pokerface]

Now your turn...Tell me how many microfracture cases have come back in 5 months to play?

 

[green machine]

Now your turn...Tell me how many microfracture cases have come back in 5 months to play?

I'll answer your question because you don't seem to want to answer mine. That's fair.

All I'm saying is that it is possible that after 5 months someone can be ready to play without damaging the knee anymore. And if Amare's case was indeed not as bad as we were told ( probably another lie, I know. ), then it is conceivable that returning to the court 5 months later wouldn't be an issue.

 

[Sundance]

Continued suck from yesterday...

http://www.azcentral.com/blogs/index.php?blog=193&blogtype=Sports

From Coro's blog:
Everything Amare said

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10/05/2006 09:59:03

Since the 19th century, The New York Times has taken care of "all the news that's fit to print." But they didn't have blogging then and the guess is you wouldn't mind knowing everything Amare Stoudemire said after taking himself out of practice for the second time in four days.

Unlike last time, he did not want to use the time to do any exercises this time and wound up having Dr. Thomas Carter look at him on a table or talk to him most of the time. Afterward, there was a serious conversation in the corner with Carter, head athletic trainer Aaron Nelson, Suns Managing Partner Robert Sarver and Suns Vice President of Basketball Operations David Griffin. Sarver happened to be in attendance for this practice but declined comment.


After initially giving one-word responses to two Phoenix reporters' questions, he opened up once he revealed that he wished it was only stiffness this time. Here is everything Stoudemire said:


"I'm feeling a little pain and it starts from the point of the (right) kneecap and it's still stiff so both of these things are going on and it's carrying over to the left. The left was super. The past two weeks, three weeks, the left leg, the micro leg, was super."


"I haven't taken any days off, man. Just been working."


"It's getting worse so we've got to figure something out to make it better. It's not that I'm not putting in the work. I'm working hard. I'm trying to get it strong. Whatever it takes to make it strong, I'm dedicated to it."


"Honestly, I noticed it about four to five days ago but I tried not to tell the trainers as much because I don't want any excuses to hit the media. I sucked it up and put in the extra work still in the weight room, on the court. I just tell them it's stiff but I'm really feeling a little pain."


"I'm just trying to figure out the best scenario. Whatever that maybe, that's definitely what I'm going to strive for. I don't want to hurt myself and I definitely don't want to hurt the team."


"A little bit (scared). There's been points to where I was feeling great, showing flashes. But I'm not a player to just show flashes. I want to be a consistent player."


"That's what I'm striving for and that's the only reason we're working hard in the weight room consistently. That's why I am on the court playing on the court as hard as I can consistently. I want to be a consistent player. I'm definitely aiming for that and whatever it takes to get back to that, that's the route I am going to take."


"I won't consider that, going back early. I'm really enjoying myself. I love being around my teammates. Definitely won't consider that. I'm not sure what the doctors and trainers may think about that. I haven't even thought about that. I'm just supporting the players 100 percent. Whatever it takes for our support staff, I'm here for them. I don't want to hurt them. I don't want to hurt myself."


"I'm thinking recovery time will be smart. I won't call it time off. I'll call it more of a recovery time just to give my legs time to recover. I had a great scheme when I was back in Phoenix. I lifted legs twice a week. It gives my legs enough time to recover so the muscles could get stronger and build up faster. That way, the next time I lift weights, I can go with a higher weight because my legs have time to recover. So all I can do now is hope I have enough recover time to get better."


"I'm definitely on a work every day pattern, work hard every day pattern. Push through the pain. That's what I'm doing. I'm pushing through it and trying to feel better."


"Today was tough for me because I really wanted to get some work in before the (preseason game) tomorrow. I tried to warm up. I did the 17s. Seventeens are not easy, bro, believe me. We're going to figure this thing out. Myself, coaching staff, training staff, players. We're going to figure this thing out and that's all we can do."


"All I can is pray and work, recover. That's all I can do is stay focused and stay humble and hope it works out for me."


"I've got stiffness and pain in my right and it's forcing me to land and jump more off the left. Once I overcompensate a period of time, the left is going to feel all that pressure and it's going to start aching. It's in the early stages right now and that's why I informed them early that, 'Hey, it's getting worse. It's not really getting better. We've been working every day. It's getting worse. We need to try to figure out something now before it gets too late. So hopefully we can come up with a plan."


"(Dr. Carter) is saying the same thing he's pretty much always been saying. It's just a little wear and tear under the kneecap and I just have to stay in shape and maintain my strength."


"Playing with Team USA, I felt a little better than I feel right now."


"Why am I drawing all the attention here? I'm not the star player."

Ugh...

 

[pokerface]

I'll answer your question because you don't seem to want to answer mine. That's fair.

All I'm saying is that it is possible that after 5 months someone can be ready to play without damaging the knee anymore. And if Amare's case was indeed not as bad as we were told ( probably another lie, I know. ), then it is conceivable that returning to the court 5 months later wouldn't be an issue.

I answered your question. Martin and Zach wern't extreme cases like Webber or Penny yet each case AT LEAST took 9 month or the better part of a year.

Now tell me of a microfracture case that came back in 5 months. I didnt ask you if it was possible...Show me someone. You dont know of anyone do you?

 

[pokerface]

If you guys want me to drop it give me just ONE NBA player that came back from microfracture in 5 months.

 

[green machine]

I answered your question. Martin and Zach wern't extreme cases like Webber or Penny yet each case AT LEAST took 9 month or the better part of a year.

Now tell me of a microfracture case that came back in 5 months. I didnt ask you if it was possible...Show me someone. You dont know of anyone do you?

I can't say I've heard of anyone, no. But I also dont' know where you can go off being so sure that "rushing" him back caused these current issues today. Seems to me that they would have happened anyways in the normal realm of coming back and playing again, so if it didn't happen then it was going to happen now.

 

[green machine]

If you guys want me to drop it give me just ONE NBA player that came back from microfracture in 5 months.

So is that all you want though? For us to say you are right? Because I don't think anyone is saying you are wrong, people just have different points of view. Not necessarily a bad thing.

 

[pokerface]

So is that all you want though? For us to say you are right? Because I don't think anyone is saying you are wrong, people just have different points of view. Not necessarily a bad thing.

I'm only asking for one name....how hard can it be??

 

[green machine]

I'm only asking for one name....how hard can it be??

Why do you need the name? Again, nobody is saying you are wrong. Just that some have differeng opinions then you. If you don't like that rally up an army somewhere, overthrow a government, and institute your own rule where nobody can disagree with you.

 

[pokerface]

You guys say the Suns didnt lie and expected Amare to be ready in 4-5 months. I'm asking who they based that on? What NBA player has set a precident for doing that? If no one has done it then how can they believe Amare would be the first? Was he some kind of experiment?

 

[msdundee]

Now your turn...Tell me how many microfracture cases have come back in 5 months to play?

"On July 1, 2004, Kidd underwent microfracture surgery to repair a damaged knee. He made a full recovery and returned to the court in December of that year." (Kidd's bio in Wikipedia)

 

[pokerface]

"On July 1, 2004, Kidd underwent microfracture surgery to repair a damaged knee. He made a full recovery and returned to the court in December of that year." (Kidd's bio in Wikipedia)

I quoted Kidd off of google and he said it took 18 months

 

[msdundee]

Check his career stats. He played 66 games in the 2004-05 season

 

[pokerface]

If Kidd did indeed comeback in 6 months then I stand corrected BUT hardly was he anywhere near 100%.

 

[msdundee]

If Kidd did indeed comeback in 6 months then I stand corrected BUT hardly was he anywhere near 100%.

Actually, if he only missed 16 games that year, he must have come back in early December, so it wasn't even 6 months. Not to be picky or anything.

 

[msdundee]

I guess I should have added that in the 66 he played, he averaged 36.9 minutes per game.

 

[Louis]

If you guys want me to drop it give me just ONE NBA player that came back from microfracture in 5 months.

Stat. And we know how that turned out.

 

[Louis]

If Kidd did indeed comeback in 6 months then I stand corrected BUT hardly was he anywhere near 100%.

Kidd returned on December 6, 2004. http://probasketball.about.com/gi/d...n=probasketball&zu=http://www.hoopsstats.com/

His surgery was on July 1, 2004.
http://www.nba.com/nets/features/carrino_kidd.html

No one has responded from this type of surgery the way Kidd has. Just look at the way Amare Stoudamire limped up and down the floor against the Nets. Stoudamire had the same surgery, where the bone is scraped away to encourage new cartilage to grow back in the knee. It’s a serious operation and Amare thought he could make it back as quickly as Kidd did. But now he has realized it’s not that simple and he has to shut it down.
But for Kidd, it hasn’t been easy either. It just looked that way. He rehabbed smartly and is just now starting to look like the player he had been.

 

[Mainstreet]

If you guys want me to drop it give me just ONE NBA player that came back from microfracture in 5 months.

Okay, I'll give you the name of a player who came back within 5 months, if you drop it... and you are a man of your word. You did not put in any caveats so please don't bring up any now. Eduardo Najera came back in 7 weeks from microfracture.

See link:

http://www.rockymountainnews.com/drmn/sports_columnists/article/0,1299,DRM
N_83_4283122,00.html

Also Jason Kidd came back from microfracture in 5 months. See Link:

http://www.mensjournal.com/healthFitness/0511/surgery_knee.html

However, I have given you the one name in Najera you requested. Also I think Harpring has had multiple microfracture surgeries and may fit in this category as well. I'm sure there are probably even more names but I no longer want to do your research.

Now keep your word and drop it..

 

[Mainstreet]

Kidd returned on December 6, 2004. http://probasketball.about.com/gi/d...n=probasketball&zu=http://www.hoopsstats.com/

His surgery was on July 1, 2004.
http://www.nba.com/nets/features/carrino_kidd.html

Great minds think alike.

 

[elindholm]

Sorry to get back on topic, but that whole stream of quotes from Stoudemire sounds exactly like Hardaway. I have a very bad feeling about this.

 

[fordronken]

Sorry to get back on topic, but that whole stream of quotes from Stoudemire sounds exactly like Hardaway. I have a very bad feeling about this.

That's another reason I'm kind of hoping for a trade. He may come back and be amazing, but I'm not sure I can take any more of this "I used to be really good and I'm almost ready now" stuff.

 

[haverford]

Whatever the outside time line for a "full recovery" (12 to 18 months), it is urgently clear that the tensions surrounding that recovery, and Amare's attitude about the process, are becoming a major issue for the team (players, coaches, and, one imagines, management). It's all over 910 this morning after a discussion with Paul Coro....