Amare to Minnesota for Jefferson and the #6?

[HooverDam]

Wow Im probably one of the biggest Amare supporters on this board, but Id do this deal in a second.

First off we should all realize Al Jefferson is just as bad at defense as Amare, he's quite lousy at it. So lets not think he's an upgrade there. Amare's also a MUCH better shooter, better at running the floor and a slightly better passer and ball handler. On the other hand, Jefferson is a better rebounder, slightly beefier, a slightly better blocker and most importantly he's slightly younger, cheaper and has a less history of injuries.

Then with the #6 the Suns could start the rebuilding around Jefferson process. With either Jennings, or Flynn perhaps as the PG of the future (if they don't believe in Dragic to be more than a lifetime backup) or a SF, though Im not sure who theyd take at the 3 spot that wouldn't be a reach.

 

[binkar]

Haha I wish this was true but I don't think it stands a chance of happening and would guess that it is completely made up. I would love to get Al in a Suns uniform, even if it meant giving up Barbosa (if this makes it possible to keep the 14 pick). Then we draft Curry with the 6th pick who fills Barbosa's role at the least, grab Johnson, Clark, or Williams at 14, and we are set with a great young athletic lineup. We would be awful next year, but we have got to take some steps backwards if we ever want to be legitimate contenders instead of chronic pretenders.

Again, I think this is completely made up.

 

[Covert Rain]

This is one of the few proposed trades I would consider if the team is done with Amare. AJ is a better rebounder, scores just as much and is also a better defender then Amare. The 6th pick is not that big a deal to me because I think this is a weak draft. The 6th this year is like a "teen" pick last year. However, if your going to get something for Amare, AJ is not a bad choice IMO.

However, AJ won't be enough. The Suns still need to get a better defensive PG or getting a better defensive PF won't do much.

 

[HooverDam]

is also a better defender then Amare.

What are you basing this on? Al Jefferson and Amare are both AWFUL defenders.

 

[CardsFan88]

This deal isn't all that imo. It's the best we've heard. But all we've heard are very poor offers. (thus people may tend to be more inclined to jump at an offer that is on the surface fairly reasonable). Much like if you're eating gruel, even McDonald's regular hamburger will seem like filet mignon with a caviar side.

The #6 pick in this draft doesn't appeal to me that much. You should obviously have a chance to draft a player that should get an all-star or two over his career, but with this draft it's going to be hit/miss imo much more so than other years, all the way up to #3. (assuming rubio goes #2).

That said people have brought up Amare's eye injury, some feel his lifestyle might be getting in the way, some may feel he's about to bolt after this year so we need to do something to solidify this team before it all breaks apart and leaves us with nothing. That doesn't mean trade Amare. It means the front office needs to stop acting like it's fantasy football and quit making Rod Graves seem like he is the GM of the century.

Plus Kerr would have to do waaayyyy more than this. Maybe about 5 more trades of this caliber, and 5 more that are ~twice as good as this. Then not making any moves that are pennywise, pound foolish. If you take a chance to save money and get burned a la Joe Johnson, you bite the bullet and spend the cash to re-sign him.

Granted not all of these are on Kerr, but I'm fairly sure (probably being too nice, dang sure) the business would have been conducted the same. Maybe the teams and players in the trades would have been different, but probably around the same caliber we received anyways. We still would have dumped googs instead of paying him his last few months on the contract, instead of giving up 1st round picks to unload it, etc.

Either way, this scenario I'd figuratively puke the least over.

To me though, you don't get better by keeping your 35+ year old players (who will be in contract years) and trading away your 25 year old players (roughly).

Amazing though, had we wanted to save money so we traded our 1st round picks for future ones, we'd probably have the ammunition (or the pick already) to get Rubio without giving up any of our stars. Now we may have to lose one of our best players....and the cancer that first only affected selling draft picks, will have grown to consume potentially two of our three stars that made us the most talented team in basketball (at the top) bar none.

But since this about the future, I'll conclude with this lame statement. Why look for a diamond in the rough, when you can clearly see a Rubio on the horizon.

 

[AceP]

Well said. It is a FAIR deal for both sides, but not a favorable deal to the Suns. Not overwhelmingly good enough for us to pull the trigger in a heart beat.

I had a look at the Wolves' payroll, the salary of Amare and Jefferson doesn't match, so there must be other pieces to be included. I heard Mike Miller is unhappy there, had a career low season, less than 10ppg. The salary of Mike Miller + Al Jefferson matchs up well with Amare + J.Rich. This should make it better for us.

The breaking point might be Amare's willingness to play in Minnesota.

 

[Covert Rain]

What are you basing this on? Al Jefferson and Amare are both AWFUL defenders.

First off I said he was better then Amare. Al though had a [SIZE=-1]good Opponent Counterpart 48-Minute Production[/SIZE] this season.

AJ = 13.5
Amare = 15.7
KG - 14.9 (although he played much of the season hurt this year)
Duncan = 14.3 (when paying PF)

For whatever reason Al had a good year at the PF position by all estimations on defense.

One thing about Al though is that you CANNOT play him at Center. He is a pure PF. His defensive numbers fall off a cliff when he plays center.

 

[greensborohill]

As an unbiased fan, Al is better than Stat, not sure why Minn is throwing in the 6th pick in addition to Al. . . maybe it's b/c of the knee.

 

[mjb21aztd]

Please make this deal done in the next few days before timberwolves change their mind kerr. I still find this trade hard to believe will happen but if we do get Jefferson, and the 6th pick for Amare Kerr is on the way to redeming himself as a gm. I loved what Amare has done for the suns when he can play but it is time to move on and Jefferson would be a welcomed addition!!!!

 

[Sunshooter]

do it

 

[AceP]

As an unbiased fan, Al is better than Stat, not sure why Minn is throwing in the 6th pick in addition to Al. . . maybe it's b/c of the knee.

First of all, Minnesota is not a team worrying about championship, that's probably the last thing for them to think about. They are in transition with a new GM, new direction, new strategy. They would definitely want a team more entertaining to watch for next few seasons so they can sell tickets and maintain fan base, which they lost quite some after trading KG. So Amare fit in well, much better than Al Jefferson.

Meanwhile, Al Jefferson loves to play for McHale, who just got fired. I'm not sure whether or not he is unhappy right now. But according to the following, he doesn't sounds like that he would mind to be traded.

Forward Al Jefferson, whose season-ending knee injury forced McHale to work without the team's one almost-All-Star over the final 32 games, said he made it clear to Kahn how much he enjoyed playing for McHale, one former Boston Celtics big man clicking with another.

Jefferson's thoughts now? “I would feel a lot worse today if I would not have went to David two weeks ago and told him how I felt about Kevin McHale,” Jefferson said in a phone hook-up with reporters at Target Center. “The decision still came out the way it did. I told him again, I respect that and I’m going to roll with it. I did my part letting him know how I felt about Kevin McHale. I don’t think it’s my job to tell him what kind of coach or put my input on the new coach.”

http://www.minnpost.com/steveaschbu...earned_today_…_and_coaching_candidates_galore

Al + Mike Miller (who is also unhappy there) + Cardinal (expiring contract) + pick, for Amare + J.Rich, looks very fair for both sides, and salary matches perfectly. They got 2 very fun to watch offensive player, a lot of dunks a game.

 

[scoutmasterdave]

ZOMG - do it now. And I mean NOW.

 

[Arizona's Finest]

Too good to be true.

Why would Minny trade away it cornerstone for a guy that will be out of Minnesota in a year?

Although Amare and Love make more sense as a front court IMO I just don't think this is a deal the Wolves do.

 

[mjb21aztd]

Well it's being reported on espn news, and real gm, also espn.com so a lot of resources are reporting this, I hope this isn't like a lot of other pre draft trade rumors and just die out. This would be amazing if it went through we will find out within the next few days.

 

[carey]

I'm still a little worried about Al's ACL injury. Probably as much as they are about Amare's eye injury. I do think if this deal goes through then Shaq has to be moved, and probably even Nash. Al in the pick & roll? Idk...

 

[AsUdUdE]

GREAT NEWS!!!!!

On KTAR.com this morning Gambo has an article sying this rumor is too one sided to be true...

Translation: Gambo who is NEVER right just did his part in helping this deal along!

WOOHOO

The fact that he said it is "completely BS" means there is SOMETHING to the rumor, and talks have begun... Again I don't believe it will be Amare for Al/#6, we will be giving up more, but thats fine with me at this point

 

[carey]

Translation: Gambo who is NEVER right just did his part in helping this deal along!

Look, I don't like Gambo either, but this is incorrect. It's been proven many times that he has legitimate sources and gets some things right. He isn't 100% and most believe he just reports what Sarver wants him to, but he is far from "never right."

 

[AsUdUdE]

Look, I don't like Gambo either, but this is incorrect. It's been proven many times that he has legitimate sources and gets some things right. He isn't 100% and most believe he just reports what Sarver wants him to, but he is far from "never right."

yeahhh.. but I can dream right...

The reality is, this rumor is all but dead..

according to ESPN.com, Marc Stein is reporting that MULTIPLE sources inside the TWolves organization have fiercly denied this rumor, and David Kahn went as far as calling Al this morning as assuring him he will not be traded...

soo.. yeah, we all knew it was too good to be true, but the dream is dead, time to move on to the next rumor...

 

[elindholm]

He isn't 100% and most believe he just reports what Sarver wants him to, but he is far from "never right."

Unfortunately, that's true. If he were literally never right, what he says could be useful. As it stands, his accuracy percentage is almost exactly what would be predicted by chance. Which means we'd be just as well off asking a hobo living under the overpass, except that the experience would be marginally less unpleasant.

 

[Roca Dolla]

yeahhh.. but I can dream right...

The reality is, this rumor is all but dead..

according to ESPN.com, Marc Stein is reporting that MULTIPLE sources inside the TWolves organization have fiercly denied this rumor, and David Kahn went as far as calling Al this morning as assuring him he will not be traded...

soo.. yeah, we all knew it was too good to be true, but the dream is dead, time to move on to the next rumor...

LOL i knew that rumor was all BS! very nice....

 

[Blackification]

An NBA source said today that Minnesota forward-center Al Jefferson is not being traded to the Suns with the sixth overall pick for Suns All-Star forward Amare Stoudemire. An NBA executive told The Globe on Wednesday that the teams discussed the trade. But another source acknowledged the discussion, but also said the Suns were quickly turned down. The source added that the Wolves new general manager David Kahn has even called Jefferson, an ex-Celtic, to tell him the trade would not happen. As for Stoudemire, the cost-cutting Suns definitely seem interesting in moving him and his hefty salary.

http://www.boston.com/sports/basketball/celtics/extras/celtics_blog/2009/06/jefferson_stayi.html

rumor failed.

 

[devilalum]

http://www.boston.com/sports/basketball/celtics/extras/celtics_blog/2009/06/jefferson_stayi.html

rumor failed.

"The Cost Cutting Suns"

This is our new moniker.

 

[JS22]

GREAT NEWS!!!!!

On KTAR.com this morning Gambo has an article sying this rumor is too one sided to be true...

Translation: Gambo who is NEVER right just did his part in helping this deal along!

WOOHOO

The fact that he said it is "completely BS" means there is SOMETHING to the rumor, and talks have begun... Again I don't believe it will be Amare for Al/#6, we will be giving up more, but thats fine with me at this point

Gambo, no mater how annoying, generally has great sources.

Too bad it looks like this might be a dead deal. But as it always goes, any trade that the Suns pull off will be completely out of left field. (As most trades are.) 99% of these rumors never come to fruition.

 

[HooverDam]

Welp too bad this one won't be happening, but it did seem too good to be true.

I still feel like if the Suns are going to trade Amare, Oklahoma City is the destination that makes the most sense. If they take Harden at #3 (I think they will & should), they've got a good wing trio with Westbrook-Harden-Durant going forward, but their very undersized upfront, having to start Jeff Green at the 4.

According to RealGM a Amare for Jeff Green, Nick Collison & Earl Watson trade works. The Suns get a SF of the future, a PG who can start for a rebuilding team if the Suns move out Nash and a decent big guy in Collison.

Then maybe the Suns could get OKCs #25 pick this year, or their own 1st rounder for 2010 back next year.

 

[Roca Dolla]

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Amareisreal True Amar'e fans, don't worry about the trade rumors.Its Phoenix Suns Nation for now. Let's stay focus. By the way my eye is doing great.