... and that's why Kolb should stay the starter

[Buckybird]

Bottom line here is that we need a QB, stat. People calling Skelton pathetic are clearly missing the positives from this game...4th and long? Game-tying and should-have-been game winning FG? Horrible INT that cost us the game in OT, yes, but his performance was not without positives...just as Kolb's was not without negatives. Neither one of them are doing enough for us--yeah, the OL is getting them killed, but Skelton can't throw INTs like that, and when he has time and open receivers, Kolb can't miss on big plays, like he has sadly done on quite a few plays.

Like I said, bottom line is that we need a starting QB.

To win a Super Bowl I totally agree...and that is the goal. But can this franchise do that without costing Wiz his job, which will probably end up in mass changes on both sides of the ball? Just sayin...

 

[clif]

I've been on the OL as much as anybody. My point is the QB has to do everything he can to help himself and Kolb isn't. You can't run a run play with 9 in the box if you have time to change the play. It's just not going to work.

Roberts had 2 plays today he didn't catch, the screen dropped by Hyphen there's tons of them. But it's the things like not audibling that drives me nuts.
Luck was doing that at Stanford his 2nd year as the starter, for Kolb to not be doing it now is annoying.

I agree.

There is a difference between Elite, Great, Good, Average, Mediocre, Bad, WTF.

Kolb= Average
Alex Smith= Average
Peyton= Great (was Elite)
Eli= Elite (was Good)
Brady = Great (was Elite)
Rodgers (Elite)
Skelton (Mediocre)
Ponder(Average)
Gabbert (Bad to almost WTF)

 

[LarryStalling]

A lot of the int was on Housler. He did not even look for the ball until the safety flashed infront of him for the ball.

 

[Buckybird]

A lot of the int was on Housler. He did not even look for the ball until the safety flashed infront of him for the ball.

If you want to say that, the same if not more could be said of Kolbs throw. IMO both QBs eyes led the safety to the pass, which ended in picks.

 

[52brandon]

If you want to say that, the same if not more could be said of Kolbs throw. IMO both QBs eyes led the safety to the pass, which ended in picks.

yup

 

[Jetstream Green]

To complain about Kolb or even Skelton at this point is lunacy, because this OL is so so so so so bad that they would have to be the perfect QB to be expected to take advantage of every little opportunity which presents itself in a fleeting second before they get smashed in between the car wrecks the OL is sending their way.

 

[D-Dogg]

This OL is beyond putrid, every single one of them, and the head of the problem is...

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I have seen patched up OL's do a lot better... heck, Bill's OL is patched up. How much pressure we were able to put on Fitzpatrick? Rams OL was patched up and we got ONE sack and little pressure on Bradford. Most of his incompletions were his own poor throws and drops.

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[52brandon]

To complain about Kolb or even Skelton at this point is lunacy, because this OL is so so so so so bad that they would have to be the perfect QB to be expected to take advantage of every little opportunity which presents itself in a fleeting second before they get smashed in between the car wrecks the OL is sending their way.

eh, not so much lunacy as it is inaccurate, or exaggerated

 

[Russ Smith]

The thing is we really don't know the freedom, Kolb has in calling audibles that Warner had. I totally understand what your saying, but if I was a betting man he's limited in those calls.

If he is then fire whoever won't let him do that. It just makes no sense a big part of QB is giving your team a chance to execute. It's damn near impossible to run against 9 in the box, especially with a 4th string RB.

 

[Russ Smith]

A lot of the int was on Housler. He did not even look for the ball until the safety flashed infront of him for the ball.

http://www.sbnation.com/nfl/2012/10/14/3503872/john-skelton-interception-bills-cardinals


I can't upload the gif it's too big and it might have a delay in loading but look at the clip they have of the pick and tell me again it's Houslers fault. Unless that was supposed to be a comeback route the ball is short of where Housler was and into double coverage because the safety is following Skelton's eyes right to where he threw it.

Evne if we assume Housler ran the wrong route, the QB is NOT supposed to throw into double coverage. He forced the ball there.

 

[conraddobler]

We lost the game when we missed the FG, should of never come to OT and even then had someone caught a screen pass he's not throwing up a prayer there on 3rd and whatever.

We could use an upgrade at QB period, but hating on Skelton or trying to make a point based on a desperation throw coming into a game in relief, are you kidding me?

People continually have a habitual need to be validated, sheesh.

 

[Chopper0080]

To complain about Kolb or even Skelton at this point is lunacy, because this OL is so so so so so bad that they would have to be the perfect QB to be expected to take advantage of every little opportunity which presents itself in a fleeting second before they get smashed in between the car wrecks the OL is sending their way.

I, admittely, put a lot of responsibility on the QB. From my experience, QBs have so much impact on how their OL, RBs, and WRs perform. QBs make the game either easier or more difficult depending on the decisions they make. Rarely in the NFL are things 100%, so IMO, it is up to the QB to minimize the teams deficiencies. Successful QBs manipulate game situations to give their team the best opportunity to succeed. These things are done regardless of their offensive line personnel, receiving personnel or running personnel. IMO, we do not have a QB on our roster who does any of these things.

I am not stating we don't need to improve the offensive line, but IMO our QBs create some of their own issues independently of our protection problems.

 

[john h]

Awful performance. Sure, he did make a critical 4th down and LSH dropped that pass, but that ugly INT was a stab in the heart. The field goal was the knife twisting and pulling out

By the way, how is Kolb doing? Any word on his injury?

We do not have a QB on this team that will ever take us to more than one game into the playoffs. I really do not think either can get us a division winner. The hunt continues.

 

[john h]

Yeah I don't get what Powell was thinking and then LSH kills us in the OT dropping a screen.

Powell did ok but the RB play really hurt us at key times today.

Kolb made the exact same mistake Skelton did so i can't hate on John. The bottom line is our OL is horrible, Batiste doesn't belong starting for any NFL team, Massie is a year early, the interior OL sucks so whichever QB we start is going to be in the same boat.

As the announcers noted that statistically our two OTs have allowed more sacks by more than double of any other OTs in the NFL. I doubt either of these guys are NFL material. They do not just get beat they get mauled, walked over, walked around, and are near useless.

 

[john h]

I think Kolb is a crappy QB. My assessment of Kolb has nothing to do with John Skelton who I also think is crappy.

If Kolb is option A and Skleton is option B, I want us to draft option C next year.

I have finally concluded that neither of these QBs will never take us to where we want to go. I was still in hopes Kolb or Skelton might make it but I have finally given up the ghost. Kolb showed a lot of heart but heart does not win games. I wish him well from his injury and he did prove he is a QB with heart.

 

[john h]

Because Skelton is below the below average QB.. Just going with the best QB.. Which is Kolb..

Why is that so hard to understand? Or are you an advocate of inbred QB's?

As long as we have QBs like Kolb and Skelton we will have mediocre records. Either might make an acceptable backup but that is about it. I had some hopes for them going into this year but after 6 games I have seen enough to convince me we must still search for guys like some of the good QBs that came out this year. Over the years we have passed on some good QBs for what ever reason. Of course we need two good OTs but until we find a good QB we are not going to win anything.

 

[conraddobler]

As the announcers noted that statistically our two OTs have allowed more sacks by more than double of any other OTs in the NFL. I doubt either of these guys are NFL material. They do not just get beat they get mauled, walked over, walked around, and are near useless.

No one is ever useless, you can always serve as a bad example.

 

[conraddobler]

As long as we have QBs like Kolb and Skelton we will have mediocre records. Either might make an acceptable backup but that is about it. I had some hopes for them going into this year but after 6 games I have seen enough to convince me we must still search for guys like some of the good QBs that came out this year. Over the years we have passed on some good QBs for what ever reason. Of course we need two good OTs but until we find a good QB we are not going to win anything.

QB's are only so important, as you can see we were able to win 4 games with the one's we have.

More important than who's throwing the ball would be having some modicum of time to do this.

I would help if rookie RB's could remember the play too, lol.

I"d love to see us get a Manning or Brady but we never seem to, Warner is the best we've ever had and now he retired.

At this rate it'll be another 50 years before anyone close to HOF worthy occupies the position again.

 

[WildBB]

I am not stating we don't need to improve the offensive line, but IMO our QBs create some of their own issues independently of our protection problems.

If only this was the case more often. WAY Too often we don't get to see what the independent problems are.

 

[MaoTosiFanClub]

Our OL sucks agreed, but a big part of the reason it looks so bad is that d-lines pin their ears back without abandon because they know we can't run a screen or burn them deep in the passing game. Even with that being said we won't win more than ten games this year or next without a real QB even if the o-lie plays improves. Kolb-cussion and Skelton are garbage.

 

[MaoTosiFanClub]

To complain about Kolb or even Skelton at this point is lunacy, because this OL is so so so so so bad that they would have to be the perfect QB to be expected to take advantage of every little opportunity which presents itself in a fleeting second before they get smashed in between the car wrecks the OL is sending their way.

Might be a point if Skelton and Kolb were able to make plays when they do get time.

 

[Crazy Canuck]

Might be a point if Skelton and Kolb were able to make plays when they do get time.

Let's not forget to factor in more than a few dropped passes.

 

[MaoTosiFanClub]

Let's not forget to factor in more than a few dropped passes.

Then can I factor in their bad passes that our WR's make incredible catches on?

Skelton and Kolb simply suck. How can people not see this?

 

[Crazy Canuck]

Then can I factor in their bad passes that our WR's make incredible catches on?

Skelton and Kolb simply suck. How can people not see this?

In the land of the blind the one eyed man is king. Good on you.

 

[Chopper0080]

Might be a point if Skelton and Kolb were able to make plays when they do get time.

This is where I am coming from.