... and that's why Kolb should stay the starter

[Buckybird]

Spot on.

Whether or not you draft Wilson, Barkley, Geno Smith etc. next season, you're still going to need to fix the line. That being said, it might not be worth drafting a QB next season, but trying to find the best lineman available since next season's QB will be eviscerated as well. Besides, who'd want to play QB behind this line. It's a death sentence


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If this team passes a QB that they feel is a franchise guy for a Olineman they deserve to never win a Super Bowl.

 

[Chopper0080]

Spot on.

Whether or not you draft Wilson, Barkley, Geno Smith etc. next season, you're still going to need to fix the line. That being said, it might not be worth drafting a QB next season, but trying to find the best lineman available since next season's QB will be eviscerated as well. Besides, who'd want to play QB behind this line. It's a death sentence


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You get Levi back with Potter having year in the system. So LT is as good as you can expect unless we draft a 1st round LT and start him at LT and move Brown over. If you do that, then you have wasted a 4th rounder on Massie who I think is better than he is given credit for. Lyle Sendlein and Adam Snyder are my weak links in this line. I think I can upgrade them without having to use a first rounder if a QB is available. FA does not seem to hold any solutions.

 

[Chopper0080]

If this team passes a QB that they feel is a franchise guy for a Olineman they deserve to never win a Super Bowl.

agreed 100%

 

[Russ Smith]

I don't understand the concept of cutting Players slack. It's their job. It's their job to be ready. It's their job to do so under fire. If I haven't done something at work in a while no one is "cutting me slack" if I do it crappy when it pops up. Sports is emotional, so we grow attached to our team and players. But they don't care about us individually. Not the way we seem to care about them individually. So I guess that's why some of you cut them slack because you want to believe they are more than they are. Makes them easier to root for. Not me. I expect excellence. I expect great product. That's what I produce and don't expect to be cut slack. So no slack for these bums.

I guess I mean I know he's better than he showed today? By no means do I think Skelton is the answer he's way too inaccurate, but not normally as bad as he was today.

 

[MrYeahBut]

If this team passes a QB that they feel is a franchise guy for a Olineman they deserve to never win a Super Bowl.

Deserve's got nothing to do with it.

Sincerely,

William Munny




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[Russ Smith]

Andrew Luck throws behind

Anthony Castonzo LT (first rounder, injured his rookie year, playing ok)
Jeff Linkenbach LG (UDFA)
AQ Shipley OC (just moved from the practice squad before the Packer game)
Mike McGlynn RG (FA, former 4th rnder on his 3rd team)
Winston Justice RT (2nd rnd bust of Philly)

There have been way more assets put into our line than Luck's and his offense is not inept looking like ours.

Sure but Andrew Luck is an outlier. I get your point they have a pathetic OL and not much talent at WR either beyond Wayne. But what Luck is doing there is so far out of the norm it's not really fair.

For a rookie to be in that situation while not lighting it up, he's not embarassing himself either.

We'd be 6-0 with Luck as our QB, our OL would still suck but we'd win.

I'd have traded our entire draft for Luck, and thrown in Kolb or Skelton or both.

 

[Buckybird]

Andrew Luck throws behind

Anthony Castonzo LT (first rounder, injured his rookie year, playing ok)
Jeff Linkenbach LG (UDFA)
AQ Shipley OC (just moved from the practice squad before the Packer game)
Mike McGlynn RG (FA, former 4th rnder on his 3rd team)
Winston Justice RT (2nd rnd bust of Philly)

There have been way more assets put into our line than Luck's and his offense is not inept looking like ours.

Chopper my point really was, just watch other games & compare the pressure & hits that other teams QB take compared to what Kolb has this year...not even comparable IMO.

I could care less where these guys are drafted or acquired, show me some hope positive results! I think Grimm is some of the problem, but I'm still believing most of the negative blocking that's going on is due to the talent on the Oline. Good coaching isn't going to make a sorry player talentwise a Pro Bowler.

 

[MrYeahBut]

We'd be 6-0 with Luck as our QB, our OL would still suck but we'd win.

I'd have traded our entire draft for Luck, and thrown in Kolb
or Skelton or both.

And yet we end up with Lindley.... sad




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[Buckybird]

We'd be 6-0 with Luck as our QB, our OL would still suck but we'd win.

I don't buy that Russ...I don't think we would be 6-0 with Brady & our Oline!

 

[Crimson Warrior]

My biggest fear is that there will not be a 1st round QB to draft.

If that is the case, then you are stuck trying to improve the overall talent on the offense. My point is, unless he continues to struggle with health, we will be paying Kolb 9 mil next year. I am ok with this, but I also don't feel it should stop us from drafting or trading up for a QB in next years draft if the opportunity presents itself.

Jake Matthews
Chance Warmack
Johnathan Cooper

All offensive linemen I would be ok drafting in the first round next year IF a top QB does not fall to us.

Honestly, at this point, I would consider trading for Mark Sanchez (4th rounder in the offseason and I hate the guy) vs paying Kolb a 9 mil bonus.

The Sanchize in cardinal red?! Interesting...

 

[52brandon]

I don't buy that Russ...I don't think we would be 6-0 with Brady & our Oline!

I think we would. Assuming he didn't get injured

 

[Buckybird]

Sure but Andrew Luck is an outlier. I get your point they have a pathetic OL and not much talent at WR either beyond Wayne. But what Luck is doing there is so far out of the norm it's not really fair.

For a rookie to be in that situation while not lighting it up, he's not embarassing himself either.

We'd be 6-0 with Luck as our QB, our OL would still suck but we'd win.

I'd have traded our entire draft for Luck, and thrown in Kolb or Skelton or both.

Btw I said before the draft we should've offered three #1's & three 2's for him. If the Cards are ever want to taste greatness for an extended period of time they will have to roll the dice on a QB they feel is destined for greatness.

 

[52brandon]

Btw I said before the draft we should've offered three #1's & three 2's for him. If the Cards are ever want to taste greatness for an extended period of time they will have to roll the dice on a QB they feel is destined for greatness.

IMO, we need to invest in the OL first. Maybe we wont have injured 2 QBs and 2 RBs by the end of week 5...

 

[clif]

I don't buy that Russ...I don't think we would be 6-0 with Brady & our Oline!

I think we would and I like Kolb way more than Skelton.

 

[Buckybird]

I like Kolb way more than Skelton.

I agree...I've never seen what some here thought they saw in Skelton

 

[Russ Smith]

I don't buy that Russ...I don't think we would be 6-0 with Brady & our Oline!

We're 4-2 with both losses VERY winnable.

I'm not blaming Kolb or Skelton but there are things he misses that drive me nuts.

There's a play in teh first half where pre snap they have 8 in the box and the safety walking up to make 9. There's plenty of time on the playclock but Kolb snaps the ball, hands to Powell who gets crushed for a 1-2 yard loss. He's been in the NFL too long to not get out of that play.

Andrew Luck is a rookie but he's been audibling to better plays since he was in college. I think he'd find a way to do some things to help himself.

Note I thought Kolb ran the ball exceptionally well but if you notice, I've been saying the last 2 games it's too bad Skelton is hurt because there are plenty of yards to get out of Kolb running but we can't take the chance with Lindley as the backup.

So I'm not surprised that happened and I think it was be design, look we can't pass block so be alert to run.

 

[clif]

I agree...I've never seen what some here thought they saw in Skelton

They saw a QB that stands tall in the the pocket with a nice arm (Big Ben) and "hoped" that he could turn in to something that he has never been and seems that he never will be....

Accurate.

 

[Buckybird]

We're 4-2 with both losses VERY winnable.

I'm not blaming Kolb or Skelton but there are things he misses that drive me nuts.

Kolb has missed some things, but what QB doesn't? I don't think Kolb is a star, but most of our problems offensively is because of this Oline! No run game...terrible run blocking, horrific pass protection. I'm still amazed Kolb has played as well as he has considering the pressure he's been under.

We made Brady look ordinary in week 2...Rodgers has even struggled somewhat this year. Great pressure on a QB by a defense is the great neutralizer, when they struggle IMO. Need evidence? Look at the Gmens 2 SB wins against he great Brady...they busted his chops!!!

 

[Buckybird]

They saw a QB that stands tall in the the pocket with a nice arm (Big Ben) and "hoped" that he could turn in to something that he has never been and seems that he never will be....

Accurate.

Agree. IMO a QB better be pretty damn accurate in college to make the transition to the NFL game

 

[clif]

Agree. IMO a QB better be pretty damn accurate in college to make the transition to the NFL game

Yep. I HAD hopes for what's his face at USC but he has regressed this year. Can't remember his name and don't care to look it up.

I have not watched enough college games this year to tell who is accurate and can actually play on Sundays.

 

[clif]

Barkley. It just came to me. Oh well he is playing like crap this year.

 

[Buckybird]

Yep. I HAD hopes for what's his face at USC but he has regressed this year. Can't remember his name and don't care to look it up.

I have not watched enough college games this year to tell who is accurate and can actually play on Sundays.

Matt Leinart? The greatest QB to never really play... Sorry that's The Smel

Jk clif lol

 

[Russ Smith]

Kolb has missed some things, but what QB doesn't? I don't think Kolb is a star, but most of our problems offensively is because of this Oline! No run game...terrible run blocking, horrific pass protection. I'm still amazed Kolb has played as well as he has considering the pressure he's been under.

We made Brady look ordinary in week 2...Rodgers has even struggled somewhat this year. Great pressure on a QB by a defense is the great neutralizer, when they struggle IMO. Need evidence? Look at the Gmens 2 SB wins against he great Brady...they busted his chops!!!

I've been on the OL as much as anybody. My point is the QB has to do everything he can to help himself and Kolb isn't. You can't run a run play with 9 in the box if you have time to change the play. It's just not going to work.

Roberts had 2 plays today he didn't catch, the screen dropped by Hyphen there's tons of them. But it's the things like not audibling that drives me nuts.
Luck was doing that at Stanford his 2nd year as the starter, for Kolb to not be doing it now is annoying.

 

[Stout]

Bottom line here is that we need a QB, stat. People calling Skelton pathetic are clearly missing the positives from this game...4th and long? Game-tying and should-have-been game winning FG? Horrible INT that cost us the game in OT, yes, but his performance was not without positives...just as Kolb's was not without negatives. Neither one of them are doing enough for us--yeah, the OL is getting them killed, but Skelton can't throw INTs like that, and when he has time and open receivers, Kolb can't miss on big plays, like he has sadly done on quite a few plays.

Like I said, bottom line is that we need a starting QB.

 

[Buckybird]

I've been on the OL as much as anybody. My point is the QB has to do everything he can to help himself and Kolb isn't. You can't run a run play with 9 in the box if you have time to change the play. It's just not going to work.

Roberts had 2 plays today he didn't catch, the screen dropped by Hyphen there's tons of them. But it's the things like not audibling that drives me nuts.
Luck was doing that at Stanford his 2nd year as the starter, for Kolb to not be doing it now is annoying.

The thing is we really don't know the freedom, Kolb has in calling audibles that Warner had. I totally understand what your saying, but if I was a betting man he's limited in those calls.