... and that's why Kolb should stay the starter

[BigRedRage]

Putrid offense the last 3 weeks.

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[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

Well I meant Kolb threw it without seeing the guy sitting there on his left watching his eyes.

I don't disagree about Skelton he doesn't read the defense and he misses high too much.

But he hadn't played in weeks and likely had little practice so I'm trying to cut him some slack.

I don't understand the concept of cutting Players slack. It's their job. It's their job to be ready. It's their job to do so under fire. If I haven't done something at work in a while no one is "cutting me slack" if I do it crappy when it pops up. Sports is emotional, so we grow attached to our team and players. But they don't care about us individually. Not the way we seem to care about them individually. So I guess that's why some of you cut them slack because you want to believe they are more than they are. Makes them easier to root for. Not me. I expect excellence. I expect great product. That's what I produce and don't expect to be cut slack. So no slack for these bums.

 

[desertdawg]

If anything they are a wash. With that, you play skelton to improve him and draft high or somethin. No way do I give kolb 9 mil next yr

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So you would rather go in thinking you are going to lose a game at 4-2? For draft picks? You need more faith my man. We got better as the season went last year.

 

[desertdawg]

I don't understand the concept of cutting Players slack. It's their job. It's their job to be ready. It's their job to do so under fire. If I haven't done something at work in a while no one is "cutting me slack" if I do it crappy when it pops up. Sports is emotional, so we grow attached to our team and players. But they don't care about us individually. Not the way we seem to care about them individually. So I guess that's why some of you cut them slack because you want to believe they are more than they are. Makes them easier to root for. Not me. I expect excellence. I expect great product. That's what I produce and don't expect to be cut slack. So no slack for these bums.

You run with the best you got or you bitch about it and hope things will change.

 

[52brandon]

So you would rather go in thinking you are going to lose a game at 4-2? For draft picks? You need more faith my man. We got better as the season went last year.

lol, agreed. We still lead the division afterall. I also would prefer to spend our top picks on OL than QB

 

[TJ]

Here it is in a nutshell.

Skelton is a big,immobile, stand in the pocket QB. In todays NFL if that is what you are you need to be deadly accurate and have an uncanny knowledge of the game and defenses.
He is neither. For every 3 good passes he throws he will throw 3 inaccurate ones. He may develop mentally, but you can watch a guy like Luck and see how farther advances he is compared to Skelton. Skelton ceiling isn't very high.

Kolb is smaller and can be skittish at times. He has a certain amount of mobilty and is somewhat accurate when given time but has durability issues. Again, in todays NFL a QB like Kolb will make you cheer and then piss you off in a matter of minutes. His ceiling is a bit higher than Skelton because of his ability to move and his accuracy and he has had a limited amount of "playing" experience.

The way this team is built Kolb definitely is the better choice. Both guys would be better with improved line play. But neither will ever be a dominant, put the game on my shoulders QB.

This not about who I like the best. It is only my opinion.

I only hope that even before we look for a QB or a RB we would invest everthing we have into improving the o-line. Draft picks, free agents, coaching..the whole shibang. Until that happen we will forever be a hit or miss offense with no true bread and butter. We can't run with any authority or consistency and neither QB is capable of strapping the team on their back.

Well said


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[clif]

Here it is in a nutshell.

Skelton is a big,immobile, stand in the pocket QB. In todays NFL if that is what you are you need to be deadly accurate and have an uncanny knowledge of the game and defenses.
He is neither. For every 3 good passes he throws he will throw 3 inaccurate ones. He may develop mentally, but you can watch a guy like Luck and see how farther advances he is compared to Skelton. Skelton ceiling isn't very high.

Kolb is smaller and can be skittish at times. He has a certain amount of mobilty and is somewhat accurate when given time but has durability issues. Again, in todays NFL a QB like Kolb will make you cheer and then piss you off in a matter of minutes. His ceiling is a bit higher than Skelton because of his ability to move and his accuracy and he has had a limited amount of "playing" experience.

The way this team is built Kolb definitely is the better choice. Both guys would be better with improved line play. But neither will ever be a dominant, put the game on my shoulders QB.

This not about who I like the best. It is only my opinion.

I only hope that even before we look for a QB or a RB we would invest everthing we have into improving the o-line. Draft picks, free agents, coaching..the whole shibang. Until that happen we will forever be a hit or miss offense with no true bread and butter. We can't run with any authority or consistency and neither QB is capable of strapping the team on their back.

Post of the year. I have renewed faith in this board. There are some people on here who get it.


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[Duckjake]

Double Deuce or Single Deuce it makes no difference. Our offense has scored more than 21 points in a game only 3 times in the last 22 games.

 

[desertdawg]

Double Deuce or Single Deuce it makes no difference. Our offense has scored more than 21 points in a game only 3 times in the last 22 games.

How many sacks in them 22 games?

 

[Buckybird]

How many sacks in them 22 games?

127 in the last 3
















Seriously, he Oline played solid down the stretch & the first couple.

 

[Duckjake]

How many sacks in them 22 games?

There were a couple starting to show up when the Cards were 1-6 but then the Cards went 11-3 and so they vanished. Fans didn't need to hide their faces then.

 

[52brandon]

Double Deuce or Single Deuce it makes no difference. Our offense has scored more than 21 points in a game only 3 times in the last 22 games.

and 2 of em were within the last 22 days...

 

[52brandon]

There were a couple starting to show up when the Cards were 1-6 but then the Cards went 11-3 and so they vanished. Fans didn't need to hide their faces then.

LMAO

 

[desertdawg]

There were a couple starting to show up when the Cards were 1-6 but then the Cards went 11-3 and so they vanished. Fans didn't need to hide their faces then.

 

[Duckjake]

and 2 of em were within the last 22 days...

Cards offense has scored more than 21 points only once this season. Sanders fumble return vs Philly was part of the CArds 27 points.

 

[Chopper0080]

I will trade every Olineman on our roster for either teams Oline plus a 1st rounder next year.

You guys who bash Kolb for the abuse he's taking really don't watch any other NFL games. I'm gonna predict right now, this Oline breaks the record for sacks set by the Iggles years ago with Randall, which was like 105

Your nuts if you really believe Manning, Rodgers, Brady, etc have great seasons throwing the rock behind these clowns!

Andrew Luck throws behind

Anthony Castonzo LT (first rounder, injured his rookie year, playing ok)
Jeff Linkenbach LG (UDFA)
AQ Shipley OC (just moved from the practice squad before the Packer game)
Mike McGlynn RG (FA, former 4th rnder on his 3rd team)
Winston Justice RT (2nd rnd bust of Philly)

There have been way more assets put into our line than Luck's and his offense is not inept looking like ours.

 

[52brandon]

Cards offense has scored more than 21 points only once this season. Sanders fumble return vs Philly was part of the CArds 27 points.

ah OK, I didn't think of that. But STs technically score the PATs and FGs too... but I know what you meant lol

 

[Chopper0080]

Just stop trying Bucky.. chopper is more right then not is what I heard.. Its gospel..

Are you capable of offering any counter-point or is "you're wrong" the extent of your arguments?

 

[desertdawg]

Are you capable of offering any counter-point or is "you're wrong" the extent of your arguments?

Nice word play but I think GEE has game.

 

[Chopper0080]

Nice word play but I think GEE has game.

I don't even know what this means.

It was an honest question though. I am far from always being right or an expert, but I make claims supported by facts. "You're wrong" is only worth something if it is backed by something more substantial.

 

[desertdawg]

I don't even know what this means.

It was an honest question though. I am far from always being right or an expert, but I make claims supported by facts. "You're wrong" is only worth something if it is backed by something more substantial.

I drink beer to cope with my favorite team.

 

[devilalum]

This OL is beyond putrid, every single one of them, and the head of the problem is...

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I have seen patched up OL's do a lot better... heck, Bill's OL is patched up. How much pressure we were able to put on Fitzpatrick? Rams OL was patched up and we got ONE sack and little pressure on Bradford. Most of his incompletions were his own poor throws and drops.

If you want to place blame you should start with the front office. They're the ones that put this line together.

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[Crimson Warrior]

I think Kolb is a crappy QB. My assessment of Kolb has nothing to do with John Skelton who I also think is crappy.

If Kolb is option A and Skleton is option B, I want us to draft option C next year.

You're conclusion assumes that in 2013, there's someone to draft that's better than Kolb (or Skelton).

I'm not sure that's the case, are you? Above average QBs play are a pretty hard commodity to locate. Just ask MIN, TEN, and JAC.

I could be wrong, but I think that, with a decent offensive line, Kolb could be part of a team that could win ten games.

So, I say we try to utilize the investment we've already made in Kolb, by trying to improve the players around him.

Sound reasonable Chopper?

 

[TJ]

You're conclusion assumes that in 2013, there's someone to draft that's better than Kolb (or Skelton).

I'm not sure that's the case, are you? Above average QBs play are a pretty hard commodity to locate. Just ask MIN, TEN, and JAC.

I could be wrong, but I think that, with a decent offensive line, Kolb could be part of a team that could win ten games.

So, I say we try to utilize the investment we've already made in Kolb, by trying to improve the players around him.

Sound reasonable Chopper?

Spot on.

Whether or not you draft Wilson, Barkley, Geno Smith etc. next season, you're still going to need to fix the line. That being said, it might not be worth drafting a QB next season, but trying to find the best lineman available since next season's QB will be eviscerated as well. Besides, who'd want to play QB behind this line. It's a death sentence


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[Chopper0080]

You're conclusion assumes that in 2013, there's someone to draft that's better than Kolb (or Skelton).

I'm not sure that's the case, are you? Above average QBs play are a pretty hard commodity to locate. Just ask MIN, TEN, and JAC.

I could be wrong, but I think that, with a decent offensive line, Kolb could be part of a team that could win ten games.

So, I say we try to utilize the investment we've already made in Kolb, by trying to improve the players around him.

Sound reasonable Chopper?

My biggest fear is that there will not be a 1st round QB to draft.

If that is the case, then you are stuck trying to improve the overall talent on the offense. My point is, unless he continues to struggle with health, we will be paying Kolb 9 mil next year. I am ok with this, but I also don't feel it should stop us from drafting or trading up for a QB in next years draft if the opportunity presents itself.

Jake Matthews
Chance Warmack
Johnathan Cooper

All offensive linemen I would be ok drafting in the first round next year IF a top QB does not fall to us.

Honestly, at this point, I would consider trading for Mark Sanchez (4th rounder in the offseason and I hate the guy) vs paying Kolb a 9 mil bonus.