Andrew Luck doesn't looks any better than Matt Ryan

[Southpaw]

Side note anybody else think Shaw blew the game by playing for a FG instead of just letting his best player take a shot at the endzone?

I said it the whole drive don't just play for the FG because your kicker is a freshman. Bit him in the butt.

when you have the best player on the field you put the game in his hands, not the freshman kickers' IMHO.

Yes, and David Shaw will be exposed once Luck is gone.

 

[Buckybird]

Especially in that stadium where missed Field Goals are a natural occurrence.

Neil Rackers is longgggg gone

 

[Cbus cardsfan]

Side note anybody else think Shaw blew the game by playing for a FG instead of just letting his best player take a shot at the endzone?

I said it the whole drive don't just play for the FG because your kicker is a freshman. Bit him in the butt.

when you have the best player on the field you put the game in his hands, not the freshman kickers' IMHO.

same thing in the Georgia/MSU game. UGA centered the ball on 2nd and kicked a 42 yard FG on 3rd down. I was thinking what the hell, it's not like it's a chip shot 20 yarder. Of course the guy went all Neil Rackers and they ended up losing. It was ridiculous strategy though.

 

[Pariah]

He's the closest thing to Manning that's come out since Manning. He inately has one of the most valuable and unlearnable intangibles a QB can have - the ability to not just read, but to digest and interperet a defense, then dial up the right adjustement/call to take advantage of the situation.

IMO, what makes Manning special is his work ethic combined with his innate skills. Those skills alone aren't good enough to make him the best, and his work ethic alone aren't enough--he's got both in spades.

That's why I'm happy to see that Luck looks like he'll have a chance to learn a couple of years under Manning. He'll understand what makes Manning so good and, hopefully, how to emulate it.

People hate on him because he's so good (IMO), but watching Peyton Manning dismantle defenses is a real treat. I hope I get to see that same precision out of Luck.

 

[AsUpRoDiGy]

I have a feeling the Redskins will offer the farm for Luck. Colts will probably take RGIII with the Skins pick and be a guaranteed doormat in the NFL for several years.

 

[Reddog]

Not a very impressive display so far today against one of the worst defenses in the FBS for someone who is hyped as "the best prospect since Peyton Manning and John Elway".

Also, Blackmon looks like the Boldin reincarnated.

You must have been watching a different game than me.This kid is great with mediocre tools around him. 90% completion percentage and poise beyond belief.

 

[D-Dogg]

IMO, what makes Manning special is his work ethic combined with his innate skills. Those skills alone aren't good enough to make him the best, and his work ethic alone aren't enough--he's got both in spades.

That's why I'm happy to see that Luck looks like he'll have a chance to learn a couple of years under Manning. He'll understand what makes Manning so good and, hopefully, how to emulate it.

People hate on him because he's so good (IMO), but watching Peyton Manning dismantle defenses is a real treat. I hope I get to see that same precision out of Luck.

Agreed across the board.

And I love watching Manning at work - he's a supercomputer brain with a laser cannon attached to a human body.

 

[Arizona's Finest]

Brady absolutely can and does call his own plays. Aaron Rodgers called ALL of the plays for Matt Flynn during Sundays game.

I figured as much Shane my man. But if that's the case I have no clue why Pats OC O'Brien is such a hot coaching candidate.

 

[40yearfan]

I figured as much Shane my man. But if that's the case I have no clue why Pats OC O'Brien is such a hot coaching candidate.

It's called riding the coattails of success.

 

[AsUpRoDiGy]

I figured as much Shane my man. But if that's the case I have no clue why Pats OC O'Brien is such a hot coaching candidate.

Paging Josh McDaniels...I'm sure the only thing the OC does in New England is watch film of the opposing defense and see their tendencies/weaknesses. Aside from that, they probably make suggestions to Brady during the game but I'm sure he's calling most of the plays at the line.

Oh ya, Luck already calls his own plays at the line and knows how to read and attack the defense, as a Junior in College!! But he sucks because he doesn't play in a gimmick spread offense where a pedestrian QB could put up amazing stats...Please....

 

[Duckjake]

Paging Josh McDaniels...I'm sure the only thing the OC does in New England is watch film of the opposing defense and see their tendencies/weaknesses. Aside from that, they probably make suggestions to Brady during the game but I'm sure he's calling most of the plays at the line.

Oh ya, Luck already calls his own plays at the line and knows how to read and attack the defense, as a Junior in College!! But he sucks because he doesn't play in a gimmick spread offense where a pedestrian QB could put up amazing stats...Please....

Interesting note from one scout:

Film Study: The film shows a rare mistake by Griffin, who gets frustrated with the lack of protection and starts to work away from the line of scrimmage instead of throwing the ball away. As RG3 moves to the next level he will have to learn when to throw the ball away, and also to never work away from the line of scrimmage to avoid a pass rush.

Overall: Does a fair amount of pre-snap recognition based on Baylor game film study. Griffin, unlike many college quarterbacks, does not take direction from the sideline and is tasked with reading the defense.

 

[AsUpRoDiGy]

Interesting note from one scout:

You might want to get a more credible source. Griffin doesn't call his own audibles or call the play at the line, that's all Art Briles. Read different scouting reports on Griffin, and it will be noted consistently that RGIII does not call audibles, the only thing he reads is the DE crashing at the LOS when he's running a double/triple option. If you watch film on him also, you never see him change the play at the line.

 

[Russ Smith]

You might want to get a more credible source. Griffin doesn't call his own audibles or call the play at the line, that's all Art Briles. Read different scouting reports on Griffin, and it will be noted consistently that RGIII does not call audibles, the only thing he reads is the DE crashing at the LOS when he's running a double/triple option. If you watch film on him also, you never see him change the play at the line.

The thing with Griffin is he might be even smarter than Luck is. But that doesn't mean football smart luck's dad obviously had him well prepared and then 3 years under Harbaugh(one as a redshirt) helped too.

the little I've seen of Griffin he has tools and he's highly intelligent I just think he'll have to learn an NFL offense.

One of the knocks on Newton was how smart he was and it turned out he's been much better than expected, I think that will help Griffin's draft stock.

Like it or not I think people still think if you don't take snaps under C in college you can't do it in the NFL. Newton helped a lot of those guys coming in like that.

 

[Chopper0080]

Newton proved me wrong. I like RGIII, but I do have serious questions about his size.

 

[Stout]

I also need to eat a TON of crow over my prior opinions on Newton. I was just a teensy bit wrong lol

 

[Pariah]

I also need to eat a TON of crow over my prior opinions on Newton. I was just a teensy bit wrong lol

Me, too. I thought he'd bust...instead I rode into the fantasy football playoffs on his shoulders.

 

[AsUpRoDiGy]

Newton proved me wrong. I like RGIII, but I do have serious questions about his size.

I think most of Cam's success should be contributed to the OC Chudzinski, because he changed the offense to suit Cam's strengths. If he was running a traditional pro-offense, he wouldn't be nearly as successful, but due to the fact Carolina implemented a lot of spread plays, Cam was able to flourish. Newton is, however, 4 inches taller, and 40 Lbs heavier than RGIII, so to make comparisons is somewhat ridiculous.

RGIII is a great college QB, and he's fun to watch, but when you evaluate him as a Pro, there's a lot of things he's going to need to work on. In the NFL, if Griffin has a coaching staff that is willing to implement a lot of spread, then he will probably do pretty good, but if he's put in a traditional pro-offense, he would be lucky to even be a starter.

 

[Chopper0080]

I think most of Cam's success should be contributed to the OC Chudzinski, because he changed the offense to suit Cam's strengths. If he was running a traditional pro-offense, he wouldn't be nearly as successful, but due to the fact Carolina implemented a lot of spread plays, Cam was able to flourish. Newton is, however, 4 inches taller, and 40 Lbs heavier than RGIII, so to make comparisons is somewhat ridiculous.

RGIII is a great college QB, and he's fun to watch, but when you evaluate him as a Pro, there's a lot of things he's going to need to work on. In the NFL, if Griffin has a coaching staff that is willing to implement a lot of spread, then he will probably do pretty good, but if he's put in a traditional pro-offense, he would be lucky to even be a starter.

Regardless of the reason, he worked his butt off this past year and it showed in his play on the field. Possibly some emotional issues might pop up as he seems to get hig hand low during games, but he played very well this past year. Coaching and schemes are great and all, but in the end, the player has to make the plays on the field and Cam flat out made plays.

 

[Duckjake]

I think most of Cam's success should be contributed to the OC Chudzinski, because he changed the offense to suit Cam's strengths. If he was running a traditional pro-offense, he wouldn't be nearly as successful, but due to the fact Carolina implemented a lot of spread plays, Cam was able to flourish. Newton is, however, 4 inches taller, and 40 Lbs heavier than RGIII, so to make comparisons is somewhat ridiculous.

RGIII is a great college QB, and he's fun to watch, but when you evaluate him as a Pro, there's a lot of things he's going to need to work on. In the NFL, if Griffin has a coaching staff that is willing to implement a lot of spread, then he will probably do pretty good, but if he's put in a traditional pro-offense, he would be lucky to even be a starter.

Have you not seen the 40 yard lasers that Newton and Griffin throw? They aren't Vince Young. Besides there is no such thing as a traditional Pro Style Offense so your entire argument is wrong. If there were nothing but 32 similar pro style offenses Kevin Kolb wouldn't be struggling to adjust to playing for Arizona.

 

[Mulli]

Have you not seen the 40 yard lasers that Newton and Griffin throw? They aren't Vince Young. Besides there is no such thing as a traditional Pro Style Offense so your entire argument is wrong. If there were nothing but 32 similar pro style offenses Kevin Kolb wouldn't be struggling to adjust to playing for Arizona.

Did you just say something negative about VY? Who are you and what have you done with Duckjake.?

 

[earthsci]

Did you just say something negative about VY? Who are you and what have you done with Duckjake.?

He became a...

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FAN!!

 

[Mulli]

Ah.

 

[Duckjake]

Who is this Texas A&M? I think I read something about them and that they were just another perennial also ran in the SEC like Arkansas, Kentucky and Vanderbilt?

 

[AsUpRoDiGy]

Have you not seen the 40 yard lasers that Newton and Griffin throw? They aren't Vince Young. Besides there is no such thing as a traditional Pro Style Offense so your entire argument is wrong. If there were nothing but 32 similar pro style offenses Kevin Kolb wouldn't be struggling to adjust to playing for Arizona.

Traditional pro style offense = 80% of snaps taken under center, heavy 2/3 TE sets, 3-5-7 step drops. Obviously there are no 'guidelines' for a traditional pro style offense, but those are the main points. Jim Harbaugh's offense is pretty 'traditional' in that sense. Spread offenses don't really have any of those attributes, thus the differences.

There's a reason why Kolb has struggled, his offense in college was extremely simplistic and you can tell he's had a hard time adjusting. In college, he never took snaps under center, never took 3-5-7 step drops, never looked off safeties, never read through progressions, and was taught to escape the pocket once his 1st WR wasn't open, and he still does the same things to this day. I see the same things in RGIII, which is why I wouldn't touch him in the 1st round.

 

[Duckjake]

Traditional pro style offense = 80% of snaps taken under center, heavy 2/3 TE sets, 3-5-7 step drops. Obviously there are no 'guidelines' for a traditional pro style offense, but those are the main points. Jim Harbaugh's offense is pretty 'traditional' in that sense. Spread offenses don't really have any of those attributes, thus the differences.

There's a reason why Kolb has struggled, his offense in college was extremely simplistic and you can tell he's had a hard time adjusting. In college, he never took snaps under center, never took 3-5-7 step drops, never looked off safeties, never read through progressions, and was taught to escape the pocket once his 1st WR wasn't open, and he still does the same things to this day. I see the same things in RGIII, which is why I wouldn't touch him in the 1st round.

Kolb has been out of college 5 years. Are you trying to claim that he spent 4 years in Philly yet learned so little that he came to the Cardinals nothing more than a rookie straight out of Houston's offense? Almost everyone I've seen who says Kolb needs more time is because the Cards offense is so different than Philadelphia's. Arizona is a Pro team. Philadelphia is a Pro team. Yet they both run different offensive schemes.