Any Rumblings About Frye

[hsandhu]

Please opt out, thats 6.8 million more we are under the cap.

I just dont see him doing it unless he thinks maybe somebody would be dumb enough to give him something like 3 years 15 million.

 

[slinslin]

If he really wants to stay here and feels like he owes us he should opt out and resign for the veteran minimum.
Kind of what Haslem did in Miami, it would greatly increase our opportunities in free agency this year.

I think many teams would be interested in him for the MLE.

 

[Cheesebeef]

If he really wants to stay here and feels like he owes us he should opt out and resign for the veteran minimum.
Kind of what Haslem did in Miami, it would greatly increase our opportunities in free agency this year.

I think many teams would be interested in him for the MLE.

so a guy with a heart condition, who looked pretty awful the second half of the season...could opt out, take a minimum deal and give back the team 5 million dollars? Or a guy with a heart condition, who looked pretty awful the second half of the season...will be offered a 6 million dollar a year contract for a number of years by someone else?

does anyone's else brain immediately go to this Cheers moment when they read anything Slin posts:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lbS2KSRUVHo

 

[Joe Mama]

so a guy with a heart condition, who looked pretty awful the second half of the season...could opt out, take a minimum deal and give back the team 5 million dollars? Or a guy with a heart condition, who looked pretty awful the second half of the season...will be offered a 6 million dollar a year contract for a number of years by someone else?

does anyone's else brain immediately go to this Cheers moment when they read anything Slin posts:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lbS2KSRUVHo

if Channing Frye opts out there will be teams lined up to give him the mid-level exception for 2-3 years. He's not going to opt out and take the minimum. I don't care how nice Channing Frye is. He's not stupid. He's not going to just give away that much money nor should he be expected to do so.

Joe

 

[Cheesebeef]

if Channing Frye opts out there will be teams lined up to give him the mid-level exception for 2-3 years.

Joe

i'll believe it when I see it.

 

[Mainstreet]

if Channing Frye opts out there will be teams lined up to give him the mid-level exception for 2-3 years. He's not going to opt out and take the minimum. I don't care how nice Channing Frye is. He's not stupid. He's not going to just give away that much money nor should he be expected to do so.

Joe

Quit trying to cheer me up!

 

[SunsTzu]

so a guy with a heart condition, who looked pretty awful the second half of the season...could opt out, take a minimum deal and give back the team 5 million dollars? Or a guy with a heart condition, who looked pretty awful the second half of the season...will be offered a 6 million dollar a year contract for a number of years by someone else?

does anyone's else brain immediately go to this Cheers moment when they read anything Slin posts:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lbS2KSRUVHo

I think more Billy Madison.



I'd be in favor of Frye opting out. It would increase the Suns flexibility to make a big splash and could get a guy like Josh McRoberts to fill that role nicely if other moves fall through.

 

[sunsfan88]

if Channing Frye opts out there will be teams lined up to give him the mid-level exception for 2-3 years. He's not going to opt out and take the minimum. I don't care how nice Channing Frye is. He's not stupid. He's not going to just give away that much money nor should he be expected to do so.

Joe

Kahn, Colangelo and Dumars are no longer running any NBA teams.

 

[BC867]

if Channing Frye opts out there will be teams lined up to give him the mid-level exception for 2-3 years.

I don't know about "lined up", but there are always teams that offset their not being in the upper echelon come playoff time who have to resort to gimmicks to attract paying fans.

Channing Frye at 6'11"-248 who is more comfortable camping 23 feet out like a Shooting Guard (who can penetrate once in awhile) is indeed a gimmick.

Gimmicks are not steady attractions. They rise, then their novelty wears out. Like hula hoops.

 

[Superbone]

I don't know about "lined up", but there are always teams that offset their not being in the upper echelon come playoff time who have to resort to gimmicks to attract paying fans.

Channing Frye at 6'11"-248 who is more comfortable camping 23 feet out like a Shooting Guard (who can penetrate once in awhile) is indeed a gimmick.

Gimmicks are not steady attractions. They rise, then their novelty wears out. Like hula hoops.

You know what fad falls and rises? Yo-yos.

 

[JCSunsfan]

I don't know about "lined up", but there are always teams that offset their not being in the upper echelon come playoff time who have to resort to gimmicks to attract paying fans.

Channing Frye at 6'11"-248 who is more comfortable camping 23 feet out like a Shooting Guard (who can penetrate once in awhile) is indeed a gimmick.

Gimmicks are not steady attractions. They rise, then their novelty wears out. Like hula hoops.

Repeat it often enough, we all might eventually believe. The fact is that a stretch 4 is a very valuable piece and the best 4 in the game today is a stretch 4. The Suns have not been good when Frye has been out or unhealthy, and when he is playing and healthy, this has been a pretty good team. I think that it is time for Kieff to take more of Frye's duties but he is far from a gimmick.

And Kieff is not an undersized pf.

 

[AzStevenCal]

I don't know about "lined up", but there are always teams that offset their not being in the upper echelon come playoff time who have to resort to gimmicks to attract paying fans.

Channing Frye at 6'11"-248 who is more comfortable camping 23 feet out like a Shooting Guard (who can penetrate once in awhile) is indeed a gimmick.

Gimmicks are not steady attractions. They rise, then their novelty wears out. Like hula hoops.

The game has changed. Maybe it shouldn't have but it has. A stretch big man is on just about every team's wish list. It's not a novelty, it's a trend.

Steve

 

[Errntknght]

The game has changed. Maybe it shouldn't have but it has. A stretch big man is on just about every team's wish list. It's not a novelty, it's a trend.

Steve

It is a trend but it hasn't reached the point that stretch 4's have a major role in the playoffs except for Nowitzki. Bonner for example, the Spurs stretch 4, played about half as much as he did during the regular season and he only got 11 mpg then. There are some young gunners who might change the picture before too long - Anthony Tolliver, Ryan Anderson, Teletovic, Antic. At present they don't get on the floor as much as Marcus Morris.

 

[AzStevenCal]

It is a trend but it hasn't reached the point that stretch 4's have a major role in the playoffs except for Nowitzki. Bonner for example, the Spurs stretch 4, played about half as much as he did during the regular season and he only got 11 mpg then. There are some young gunners who might change the picture before too long - Anthony Tolliver, Ryan Anderson, Teletovic, Antic. At present they don't get on the floor as much as Marcus Morris.

Lebron James, Kevin Durant, Chandler Parsons all qualify as stretch 4's. I googled a few sources and also found the following players listed as stretch 4's from recent years: Ron Artest, Danilo Galinari, Luol Deng, Andrea Bargnani, Josh Smith, Rudy Gay, Markieff Morris, Marcus Morris, Jeff Green, Kevin Love, Chris Bosh, Ersan Ilyasova and Kevin Garnett. Also making a stretch 4 list here and there were Aldridge and Carmelo but some excluded them because they both are at their most effective playing down low with their backs to the basket.

Steve

 

[Mainstreet]

How about a stretch 5 like Spencer Hawes? He could make an impact on a good team.

 

[SirStefan32]

Lebron James, Kevin Durant, Chandler Parsons all qualify as stretch 4's. I googled a few sources and also found the following players listed as stretch 4's from recent years: Ron Artest, Danilo Galinari, Luol Deng, Andrea Bargnani, Josh Smith, Rudy Gay, Markieff Morris, Marcus Morris, Jeff Green, Kevin Love, Chris Bosh, Ersan Ilyasova and Kevin Garnett. Also making a stretch 4 list here and there were Aldridge and Carmelo but some excluded them because they both are at their most effective playing down low with their backs to the basket.

Steve

Well now you are redefining, so I have to throw down the BS card.
Fours who can stretch the floor are different from threes playing fours. Most of the names you listed are small forwards who may play on teams that occasionally go with two small forwards for short stretches.

 

[elindholm]

If the definition of "stretch 4" is a power forward who can also shoot from 18 feet, then stretch 4s have been around forever.

 

[Mainstreet]

Maybe the word "stretch" needs to be defined. I usually envision a stretch 4 (or 5) as a player that can consistently hit the three point shot, hence drawing out the defense to guard him.

 

[AzStevenCal]

Well now you are redefining, so I have to throw down the BS card.
Fours who can stretch the floor are different from threes playing fours. Most of the names you listed are small forwards who may play on teams that occasionally go with two small forwards for short stretches.

All I can tell you is it's not my definition. I didn't come up with those names, I googled top stretch 4's and read several articles on the subject. The names come from those articles. If you do the same, you'll see the same.

Steve

 

[JCSunsfan]

If the definition of "stretch 4" is a power forward who can also shoot from 18 feet, then stretch 4s have been around forever.

Its probably the three point shot or its equivalent. But you are still correct, they have been around forever, just not maybe as popular. Bigs who can shoot the three or equivalent like Nate Thurmond, Bill Laimbeer, Rasheed Wallace, Troy Murphy, Okur, and many others are not uncommon and are not really that much of a gimmick. Good grief, even Sabonis made over 100 three pointers in his short nba career.

 

[BC867]

If the definition of "stretch 4" is a power forward who can also shoot from 18 feet, then stretch 4s have been around forever.

But Channing Frye isn't a "can also shoot from 18 feet" big man. He camps out at 22-23 feet from the basket on every offensive set, like a Shooting Guard.

And this past season, a lot of opposing teams stopped sending their Center out to guard him when he was playing Center (which was every 4th quarter). That also put additional pressure on our 4th quarter Power Forward, who was often a Small Forward -- Marcus or Tucker.

That reminds me of when, back in the day, Magic Johnson covered our Center because, at 6'9"-220, he was bigger than our Center who was 6'9""-212. And every Laker guarded a smaller man. We were outmanned at every position.

Things change and things stay the same. Yes, for the Suns, it has been around forever.

 

[AzStevenCal]

Its probably the three point shot or its equivalent. But you are still correct, they have been around forever, just not maybe as popular. Bigs who can shoot the three or equivalent like Nate Thurmond, Bill Laimbeer, Rasheed Wallace, Troy Murphy, Okur, and many others are not uncommon and are not really that much of a gimmick. Good grief, even Sabonis made over 100 three pointers in his short nba career.

Yeah, they've been around for a long time. Rules changes through the years have made them more valuable as has the scarcity of true back to the basket big men at every level of the game. The best way to go is to get a Shaq or a Duncan and build your team around him. But if you don't have a Duncan on offense and if you don't have a Duncan to guard a Duncan you have to go a different direction.

But I don't even think the stretch big has to camp out at the arc. They just need to be enough of a threat from distance to pull a rim protector away from the key. I think this type of player became a popular target for teams ever since it was used to somewhat negate Shaq along with the rules changes that protect the ball handler.

Steve

 

[elindholm]

But Channing Frye isn't a "can also shoot from 18 feet" big man. He camps out at 22-23 feet from the basket on every offensive set

No he doesn't. Watch some games.

 

[JCSunsfan]

No he doesn't. Watch some games.

Correct. He plays exactly as he is asked to play in the offense. It's not like he abandons his role and just does what he wants.

 

[BC867]

No he doesn't. Watch some games.

Where is the substance to that response? I watched a lot of Suns games during the season.

Correct. He plays exactly as he is asked to play in the offense. It's not like he abandons his role and just does what he wants.

Who said that Frye does what he wants? I said that he camps out at 22-23 feet from the basket on every offensive set like a Shooting Guard. And that this past season, a lot of opposing teams stopped sending their Center out to guard him when he was playing Center (which was every 4th quarter, with Plumlee and Len on the bench).

Geez, guys. If you are going to disagree with a post, offer a meaningful alternative opinion. Convince people otherwise.