Any Rumblings About Frye

[JCSunsfan]

C'mon, if you hadn't misquoted my opinion as wanting "tall" players, I wouldn't have responded.

Overstating infers initiating. Responding reflects someone else initiating it. In this case, you.

Your accusation is unfair. We participate to react to posts . . . and start a few.

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On a separate note, I wonder what the heavy blue ink is about.

Um. I was not trying to misquote you or mischaracterize. The term you use most often is "undersized."

Plumlee is a power player. Yes or no.

 

[SirStefan32]

Um. I was not trying to misquote you or mischaracterize. The term you use most often is "undersized."

Plumlee is a power player. Yes or no.

I think by nature, Plumlee IS a power player. Having said that, once he hit that rookie (I know he was a sophomore, but he barely played his first year) he started to get fancy and do dream shakes and over and under Euro moves. I'll blame that on his youth and inexperience though.

 

[BC867]

Um. I was not trying to misquote you or mischaracterize. The term you use most often is "undersized."

Honestly, in the Center position, I view best sized as bulk, even with average Center height. I place that over tall, even with average bulk. Neither, of course, if deficient in one or the other or both.

Plumlee is a power player. Yes or no.

The person to answer that is Jeff Hornacek. Or perhaps he did, 99% of the time last season, when he left Plumlee on the bench in the 4th quarter with the game on the line. Opting instead to play his starting or backup Power Forward at Center.

I wasn't the first to feel that Plumlee did not fit the role. It was Hornacek.

And, as some of you will remember, before Plumlee, I was pro-Gortat. And just as disappointed that he was too soft to fit the role.

Gimme a good sized (in bulk, height and mentality) role playing Center who plays strong. One whom we need to be on the court in the 4th quarter. Plumlee did not show us that. So, I vote 'no' to your question. Plumlee, to our disappointment, did not prove to be a presence in the post.

It doesn't really matter if a player or team is good or bad. Just that they are better than their opponent. Again, Plumlee did not show us (or Hornacek) that.

 

[95pro]

Plumlee is starting to remind me of Lou Amundson

 

[SirStefan32]

Honestly, in the Center position, I view best sized as bulk, even with average Center height. I place that over tall, even with average bulk. Neither, of course, if deficient in one or the other or both.


The person to answer that is Jeff Hornacek. Or perhaps he did, 99% of the time last season, when he left Plumlee on the bench in the 4th quarter with the game on the line. Opting instead to play his starting or backup Power Forward at Center.

I wasn't the first to feel that Plumlee did not fit the role. It was Hornacek.

And, as some of you will remember, before Plumlee, I was pro-Gortat. And just as disappointed that he was too soft to fit the role.

Gimme a good sized (in bulk, height and mentality) role playing Center who plays strong. One whom we need to be on the court in the 4th quarter. Plumlee did not show us that. So, I vote 'no' to your question. Plumlee, to our disappointment, did not prove to be a presence in the post.

It doesn't really matter if a player or team is good or bad. Just that they are better than their opponent. Again, Plumlee did not show us (or Hornacek) that.

I don't blame Plumlee for not playing in the fourth quarter. That's on the coach. Hornacek felt that Frye would give him the best chance to win a close game, so he chose to chase a couple of wins instead of developing a youngster. That's ALL on Hornacek, not on Plumlee.

 

[SirStefan32]

Plumlee is starting to remind me of Lou Amundson

Plumlee is a LOT more skilled. He actually has outstanding footwork, understands angles, and apparently learns very quickly. I remember EJ and Steve saying how he had absolutely no hook shot in the summer league.

I am a huge Lou fan, but he is not in the same league as Plumlee.

 

[SunsTzu]

Plumlee is a LOT more skilled. He actually has outstanding footwork, understands angles, and apparently learns very quickly. I remember EJ and Steve saying how he had absolutely no hook shot in the summer league.

I am a huge Lou fan, but he is not in the same league as Plumlee.

Plumlee is also much bigger and more athletic.

 

[BC867]

I am a huge Lou fan, but he is not in the same league as Plumlee.

Saying that Plumlee is leagues apart from Lou isn't saying that he has the potential to develop into a solid NBA Center, facing the rest night after night.

I sincerely hope (boy, do I) that he does. That would be sweet!

 

[95pro]

i guess i should have included the other intangibles that plumlee has, which leads to a higher ceiling. just saying the plumlee did some of the same things the Lou did when he was a big contributor the that second unit we used to have four-some years ago. but yeah i do see the size difference between the two. i could have been a little more specific i guess.

 

[SirStefan32]

Saying that Plumlee is leagues apart from Lou isn't saying that he has the potential to develop into a solid NBA Center, facing the rest night after night.

I sincerely hope (boy, do I) that he does. That would be sweet!

He averaged 8.1 points and 7.8 boards in just under 25 minutes per game. He hit the rookie wall, but I also think he got a little beat up and hurt after 2-3 months of being the only big man on the floor for Phoenix.

I think he will develop into a solid NBA Center if Hornacek allows him to. If Hornacek continues playing small ball, that's a different story.

 

[Mainstreet]

I recall, as the season wore down, Plumlee received more late game minutes after that mid-season sputter. Also his FT shooting seemed to improve which allowed him to be on the court more.

 

[sunsfan88]

Plumlee is a LOT more skilled. He actually has outstanding footwork, understands angles, and apparently learns very quickly. I remember EJ and Steve saying how he had absolutely no hook shot in the summer league.

I am a huge Lou fan, but he is not in the same league as Plumlee.

Plumlee bricked all his hook shots after that hot start he had. He has good moves but his finish is so terrible that it doesn't matter.

Only thing I wanted from Plumlee towards the end of the season was rim protection since he's so athletic but he couldn't provide that either.

He's also way too dependent on Bledsoe. Without Bledsoe, I'd say that Amundson comparisons are right on point.

 

[AzStevenCal]

Plumlee bricked all his hook shots after that hot start he had. He has good moves but his finish is so terrible that it doesn't matter.

Only thing I wanted from Plumlee towards the end of the season was rim protection since he's so athletic but he couldn't provide that either.

He's also way too dependent on Bledsoe. Without Bledsoe, I'd say that Amundson comparisons are right on point.

He had some injury problems. He played through them but they clearly hampered him. According to Eddie, he didn't fully recover till right around the time that Eric came back. Maybe the return of Bledsoe helped too but it's hard to say.

Steve

 

[sunsfan88]

He had some injury problems. He played through them but they clearly hampered him. According to Eddie, he didn't fully recover till right around the time that Eric came back. Maybe the return of Bledsoe helped too but it's hard to say.

Steve

I never heard anything about an injury til now. And he actually said himself that Bledsoe coming back gave him more confidence and made him lot better.

I'm fine with Plumlee improving with Bledsoe in the lineup. It makes sense. But I'm not ok with Plumlee being complete crap without Bledsoe.

 

[AzStevenCal]

I never heard anything about an injury til now. And he actually said himself that Bledsoe coming back gave him more confidence and made him lot better.

I'm fine with Plumlee improving with Bledsoe in the lineup. It makes sense. But I'm not ok with Plumlee being complete crap without Bledsoe.

I'm not making the injury stuff up, it's been mentioned here a few times. He had some trouble with his knees and even sprained one of them in late February/early March. Plumlee's game fell off during much of the time that Eric was out. I have no idea how much of that was due to injury (and exhaustion) versus how much was due to the absence of a good defender at the point. But it works both ways. A good rim protector makes it easier to cover the ball handler and good on-ball defense takes some of the pressure off of the rim protector.

Steve

 

[SirStefan32]

I'm not making the injury stuff up, it's been mentioned here a few times. He had some trouble with his knees and even sprained one of them in late February/early March. Plumlee's game fell off during much of the time that Eric was out. I have no idea how much of that was due to injury (and exhaustion) versus how much was due to the absence of a good defender at the point. But it works both ways. A good rim protector makes it easier to cover the ball handler and good on-ball defense takes some of the pressure off of the rim protector.

Steve

Yeah, EJ and Steve talked about Plumlee's injuries several times. He looked much better after finally taking a couple of games off and playing very few minutes in the next couple of games.

 

[sunsfan88]

I'm not making the injury stuff up, it's been mentioned here a few times. He had some trouble with his knees and even sprained one of them in late February/early March. Plumlee's game fell off during much of the time that Eric was out. I have no idea how much of that was due to injury (and exhaustion) versus how much was due to the absence of a good defender at the point. But it works both ways. A good rim protector makes it easier to cover the ball handler and good on-ball defense takes some of the pressure off of the rim protector.

Steve

Now that I think about it, I remember him sitting out a couple games toward the end of the season due to an injury.

 

[Errntknght]

The main reason Plumlee does better with Bled on the floor is that the two them have good chemistry on the offensive end. I hadn't noticed that before Eric went out but the first game back I saw it within the first few possessions - and Plums commented on it after the game.

 

[BC867]

If Hornacek continues playing small ball, that's a different story.

I am beginning to think that it is a pre-typed clause in the contract of any Suns head coach.