Anyone still wish...

[greensborohill]

Marion was a better on ball defender though.

 

[dreamcastrocks]

Best scorer in the league.

1. Kobe
2. Amare
3. LeBron

 

[Darth Llama]

Best scorer in the league.

1. Kobe
2. Amare
3. LeBron

I agree. I'll put it like we used to put it in the Shaq/Kobe days when trying to decide who's better..

Kobe is the best player in the league.

Amare is the most dominant.

Kobe does a little of everything and does it well, but Amare is the one guy no one wants to try and get between when he's driving hard to the basket.

 

[greensborohill]

Best scorer in the league.

1. Kobe
2. Amare
3. LeBron

How can you even put him up there when he doesn't even create his own shot on a regular basis.

 

[TheHopToad]

While Amare is a dominant finisher (the numbers speak for themselves), I wouldn't say that he is the best scorer in the league, not even at PF.

The reason is because he is not as good in creating his own shot as some other PFs.
Around 70% of his shots were assisted upon (by the best assist man in the league), where as a player like Nowitzki has about 53% of his shots assisted, and Duncan at around 50%, and Garnett at 67%.

You can also see that the % of shots assisted tend to stay the same for Amare as the shot clock winds down, while the others tend of have that numbers decrease, which means that teams look for other players to create the offense late in the clock.

You're kidding yourself if you think Duncan is a PF. He is only a PF administratively. Dude is a center.

 

[Ironsoul]

the guy is gonna jinx amare nooooooooooo

 

[JCSunsfan]

Offensive efficiency has to be factored in. Amare is way more efficient in his touches.

But Amare is an interior player, so his shots are often easier. This is why interior scoring is so valuable for a team.

The difference though is what makes Steve Nash such a deadly player. He is AMAZINGLY efficient for the types of shots he takes.

 

[Covert Rain]

You're kidding yourself if you think Duncan is a PF. He is only a PF administratively. Dude is a center.

 

[nowagimp]

How can you even put him up there when he doesn't even create his own shot on a regular basis.

When nash passes the ball to amare at 17' out and defenders just look at him from the lane area refusing to defense the shot, he HAS created his own shot. Sometimes I find it hard to believe that some of you guys have actually played ball. Amare is so nasty on the drive, that his threat of a drive to the hoop creates an open 16-17 footer all the time, and he drills that shot better than any PF in the game. Nash may get the assist, but if he passes the ball to LB at 17' there will be no open shot for him, or bell or hill. So who really has created the shot?

 

[LV-Suns]

While Amare is a dominant finisher (the numbers speak for themselves), I wouldn't say that he is the best scorer in the league, not even at PF.

The reason is because he is not as good in creating his own shot as some other PFs.

One pile of crap.

EDIT: Lets see some better scorers at PF.

 

[YouJustGotSUNSD]

The way assists are registered in the NBA leaves a lot of Amare's shots to be labeled assists, simply because, when he gets the ball, he scores within 2 seconds.

so if you want to blame anyone for amare's shots being assisted, blame Amare for not wasting 5 seconds posting up his player and tossing a bank shot in like some centers who play PF...

Having your shots tagged with an assist is no reason to discount someone's scoring ability unless you're talking about a shawn marion type player who lands 60% of his shots via alley oop.

 

[dreamcastrocks]

I agree. I'll put it like we used to put it in the Shaq/Kobe days when trying to decide who's better..

Kobe is the best player in the league.

Amare is the most dominant.

Kobe does a little of everything and does it well, but Amare is the one guy no one wants to try and get between when he's driving hard to the basket.

When nash passes the ball to amare at 17' out and defenders just look at him from the lane area refusing to defense the shot, he HAS created his own shot. Sometimes I find it hard to believe that some of you guys have actually played ball. Amare is so nasty on the drive, that his threat of a drive to the hoop creates an open 16-17 footer all the time, and he drills that shot better than any PF in the game. Nash may get the assist, but if he passes the ball to LB at 17' there will be no open shot for him, or bell or hill. So who really has created the shot?

just because Amare doesn't have the amount of moves that Duncan has for example, doesn't mean that he isn't the best scorer. (well 2nd best)

green, are you trying to argue Dirk in there somewhere?

 

[ambchang_]

One pile of crap.

EDIT: Lets see some better scorers at PF.

I have listed a number of PF who are better scorers (in terms of creating their own offense).

Dirk is better.
Duncan is better (you can argue that he is a center, as others already have).
Bosh may be better.
Boozer may be better.
Jefferson may be better.
David West may be better.

Just to be clear, I don't consider Dwight Howard to be better. Again, great finisher, not a great scorer.

EDIT: Players do not just stand there and wait to score in the post. The reason is because the defense is there to stop the player from scoring, thus requiring the offensive player to post and create his own shot. Amare is the recipient of great passes by Nash, who is the center the Suns offense. Amare is not as good a scorer as he is a finisher because it is difficult to build an offense around him, where as you can do that with other players (Dirk, Duncan, Bosh, Garnett, Boozer, Jefferson).

 

[LV-Suns]

I have listed a number of PF who are better scorers (in terms of creating their own offense).

Dirk is better.
Duncan is better (you can argue that he is a center, as others already have).
Bosh may be better.
Boozer may be better.
Jefferson may be better.
David West may be better.

Just to be clear, I don't consider Dwight Howard to be better. Again, great finisher, not a great scorer.

at all of them.

 

[YouJustGotSUNSD]

ambchang, call your therapist, you're delusional again.

how do you create a list of 'better scorers' and more than half you modify with 'maybe'

this is the dictionary definition of trolling. you're just posting to incite resentment and anger in regular posters. you're lucky our mods are so indifferent to higher forms of discourse that they ignore your banter instead of warn you about it.



long walk, short cliff, etc.

 

[Treesquid PhD]

I have listed a number of PF who are better scorers (in terms of creating their own offense).

Dirk is better.
Duncan is better (you can argue that he is a center, as others already have).
Bosh may be better.
Boozer may be better.
Jefferson may be better.
David West may be better.

Just to be clear, I don't consider Dwight Howard to be better. Again, great finisher, not a great scorer.

EDIT: Players do not just stand there and wait to score in the post. The reason is because the defense is there to stop the player from scoring, thus requiring the offensive player to post and create his own shot. Amare is the recipient of great passes by Nash, who is the center the Suns offense. Amare is not as good a scorer as he is a finisher because it is difficult to build an offense around him, where as you can do that with other players (Dirk, Duncan, Bosh, Garnett, Boozer, Jefferson).

 

[LV-Suns]

I have listed a number of PF who are better scorers (in terms of creating their own offense).

Dirk is better.
Duncan is better (you can argue that he is a center, as others already have).
Bosh may be better.
Boozer may be better.
Jefferson may be better.
David West may be better.

Just to be clear, I don't consider Dwight Howard to be better. Again, great finisher, not a great scorer.

EDIT: Players do not just stand there and wait to score in the post. The reason is because the defense is there to stop the player from scoring, thus requiring the offensive player to post and create his own shot. Amare is the recipient of great passes by Nash, who is the center the Suns offense. Amare is not as good a scorer as he is a finisher because it is difficult to build an offense around him, where as you can do that with other players (Dirk, Duncan, Bosh, Garnett, Boozer, Jefferson).

 

[dodie53]

I have listed a number of PF who are better scorers (in terms of creating their own offense).

Dirk is better.
Duncan is better (you can argue that he is a center, as others already have).
Bosh may be better.
Boozer may be better.
Jefferson may be better.
David West may be better.

Just to be clear, I don't consider Dwight Howard to be better. Again, great finisher, not a great scorer.

EDIT: Players do not just stand there and wait to score in the post. The reason is because the defense is there to stop the player from scoring, thus requiring the offensive player to post and create his own shot. Amare is the recipient of great passes by Nash, who is the center the Suns offense. Amare is not as good a scorer as he is a finisher because it is difficult to build an offense around him, where as you can do that with other players (Dirk, Duncan, Bosh, Garnett, Boozer, Jefferson).

so much hate on amare and the suns.

 

[nowagimp]

First, creating ones own shot, and taking it, depends on what the defense has allowed. If single coverage is the case, the marquee player should create his own shot, and take it. In the case of the double team, its often better to pass out of the double to an open player, but some players still can take and make that shot. In the case of a triple, its generally stupid to create your own shot and take it, its almost always better to pass out of it to a wide open shooter. Any player that can force a double team can create his own shot, the defense is actually acknowledging this by sending the extra defender(s). Amare stoudemire may be the most doubled and tripled big man in the NBA, thus competitors of the suns have acknowledged he creates his own shot so well, its better to just make somebody else shoot. Anybody who argues this point is an ostrich with his head in the ground, and doesnt know hoops, period. Welcome to school boys, if you think amare cant create his own shot consistently, you need some lessons. Tim Duncan and Dirk would laugh at your suggestion that amare doesnt consistently create his own shot.

 

[boisesuns]

I have listed a number of PF who are better scorers (in terms of creating their own offense).

Dirk is better.
Duncan is better (you can argue that he is a center, as others already have).
Bosh may be better.
Boozer may be better.
Jefferson may be better.
David West may be better.

Just to be clear, I don't consider Dwight Howard to be better. Again, great finisher, not a great scorer.

EDIT: Players do not just stand there and wait to score in the post. The reason is because the defense is there to stop the player from scoring, thus requiring the offensive player to post and create his own shot. Amare is the recipient of great passes by Nash, who is the center the Suns offense. Amare is not as good a scorer as he is a finisher because it is difficult to build an offense around him, where as you can do that with other players (Dirk, Duncan, Bosh, Garnett, Boozer, Jefferson).

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[Treesquid PhD]

so much hate on amare and the suns.

It's just pure ignorance. That's why we are all laughing at him.

 

[Lorenzo]

this is beyond silly. amare can definitely create his own shot....but you are kidding yourself if you don't think nash gives him easy pts just like he did marion. remember nash is a great pick and roll shooter. he is the best pick and roll PG i've ever seen.....he shoots better than stockton did. So when teams play the suns it's pick your poison. not so much that one guy is dominating the game...like you've seen in the past with jordan. duncan can create his own shot. KG can create his own shot. I've already told you guys what I think about dirk...he can rebound the ball and go coast to coast. these guys are all great. duncan has the rings...and is one of the best PF-Centers of all time. he can play either position at the end of the day so who cares?....and he is the best BIG man over the last decade. anyone who disputes any of this.......well you really can't. that's my unbiased opinion. the three most dominant players in the league this season? none of these guys above. unless you are being a homer.
because those would be:
Kobe
Lebron
CP3

 

[ambchang_]

ambchang, call your therapist, you're delusional again.

how do you create a list of 'better scorers' and more than half you modify with 'maybe'

this is the dictionary definition of trolling. you're just posting to incite resentment and anger in regular posters. you're lucky our mods are so indifferent to higher forms of discourse that they ignore your banter instead of warn you about it.



long walk, short cliff, etc.

Why not? Maybe means that you can argue for and against. I recognize that those maybe PFs are marginally better at creating their own shots, but are not as good a finisher as Amare.

As for Dirk and Duncan, those two can create better, and finish just as well.

 

[dreamcastrocks]

I have listed a number of PF who are better scorers (in terms of creating their own offense).

Dirk is better.
Duncan is better (you can argue that he is a center, as others already have).
Bosh may be better.
Boozer may be better.
Jefferson may be better.
David West may be better.

Just to be clear, I don't consider Dwight Howard to be better. Again, great finisher, not a great scorer.

EDIT: Players do not just stand there and wait to score in the post. The reason is because the defense is there to stop the player from scoring, thus requiring the offensive player to post and create his own shot. Amare is the recipient of great passes by Nash, who is the center the Suns offense. Amare is not as good a scorer as he is a finisher because it is difficult to build an offense around him, where as you can do that with other players (Dirk, Duncan, Bosh, Garnett, Boozer, Jefferson).

Now I know for sure that you are not objective. You must have something against Amare/Suns/Suns fans....something.

 

[ambchang_]

First, creating ones own shot, and taking it, depends on what the defense has allowed. If single coverage is the case, the marquee player should create his own shot, and take it. In the case of the double team, its often better to pass out of the double to an open player, but some players still can take and make that shot. In the case of a triple, its generally stupid to create your own shot and take it, its almost always better to pass out of it to a wide open shooter. Any player that can force a double team can create his own shot, the defense is actually acknowledging this by sending the extra defender(s). Amare stoudemire may be the most doubled and tripled big man in the NBA, thus competitors of the suns have acknowledged he creates his own shot so well, its better to just make somebody else shoot. Anybody who argues this point is an ostrich with his head in the ground, and doesnt know hoops, period. Welcome to school boys, if you think amare cant create his own shot consistently, you need some lessons. Tim Duncan and Dirk would laugh at your suggestion that amare doesnt consistently create his own shot.

This is simply untrue. Amare is NOT the most doubled/tripled player in the league, and he is no where close. Neither of us have the numbers to back it up (I would welcome statistics saying the %of times a player is doubled/tripled), but teams rarely design their defense to stop Amare, they design their defense around limiting Nash. With finishers like Nash, Hill, Shaq, and even Bell and Barbosa, it is extremely difficult to double off of Amare and not pay for it in other forms.

Amare has 70% of his shots assisted, significantly higher than Dirk or Duncan (around 50%). Dirk Nowitzki IS the Mavs offense, and Duncan can create in the low post better than anyone since Shaq's prime. Nash creates offense for those around him, reflected by the fact that Nash has an assist ratio of 46.8% of his teammate's buckets.

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