Are Cards players willing to "Play Hurt"

[kerouac9]

On ESPN Sunday Countdown, there was a segment on Donnie McNabb, and he was saying that he was "hurt, not injured" and that he was going to play until someone dragged him off the field.

As you can see from our injury report, we have a ton of "injured" players, but not a lot of guys "playing hurt." The two that I've noticed who do play hurt are Anquan Boldin (BrightEyes' article illustrated this) and Levar Fisher, who always is dinged but goes out there to help the team.

Meanwhile, Big, allegedly our best player, is sitting out the first few weeks of the season, and making excuses. Expected difference-makers like Kenny King and Wendell Bryant are inactive for weeks in a row because of ankle strains and dislocated toes. Monday night, Priest Holmes said that he couldn't feel his right shoulder on Mondays. But Bryan Gilmore is on the shelf for an indefinite amount of time for some reason, and apparently only feels like playing every two or three weeks. Jason McAddley doesn't want to get on the field because of a bad hammy, or something.

Coach Mac called out Duane Starks for not playing hurt in training camp, but that message didn't seem to get through very well (surprise, surprise). So, I ask the question to our panel:

On balance, are Cardinal players unwilling to play hurt?

 

[Krangodnzr]

How the hell do you expect a defensive lineman to play with a dislocated toe?

And Leonard was a liability with that darn handcast, and watching him against La Roi Glover, it was obvious that he shouldn't be playing with his severely sprained ankle.

Some injuries players can play through.

 

[Mr.Dibbs]

I think they are willing to but our medical staff is "too good." Kinda like the young doctor in Any Given Sunday.

 

[Jim O]

Originally posted by kerouac9
But Bryan Gilmore is on the shelf for an indefinite amount of time for some reason, and apparently only feels like playing every two or three weeks. Jason McAddley doesn't want to get on the field because of a bad hammy, or something.

Gilmore practiced yesterday and will play this week.

McAddley doesn't want to get on the field? Did you ask him?

He has bleeding in his hamstring and is still a few weeks away from being healthy.

Like Krang said, there are some injuries that you can play through and others you simply can't.

 

[red desert]

Originally posted by kerouac9
On ESPN Sunday Countdown, there was a segment on Donnie McNabb, and he was saying that he was "hurt, not injured" and that he was going to play until someone dragged him off the field.

As you can see from our injury report, we have a ton of "injured" players, but not a lot of guys "playing hurt." The two that I've noticed who do play hurt are Anquan Boldin (BrightEyes' article illustrated this) and Levar Fisher, who always is dinged but goes out there to help the team.

Meanwhile, Big, allegedly our best player, is sitting out the first few weeks of the season, and making excuses. Expected difference-makers like Kenny King and Wendell Bryant are inactive for weeks in a row because of ankle strains and dislocated toes. Monday night, Priest Holmes said that he couldn't feel his right shoulder on Mondays. But Bryan Gilmore is on the shelf for an indefinite amount of time for some reason, and apparently only feels like playing every two or three weeks. Jason McAddley doesn't want to get on the field because of a bad hammy, or something.

Coach Mac called out Duane Starks for not playing hurt in training camp, but that message didn't seem to get through very well (surprise, surprise). So, I ask the question to our panel:

On balance, are Cardinal players unwilling to play hurt?

Gilmore and MacAddley don't really seem to want to play through their injuries.

 

[kerouac9]

Originally posted by Oran
I think they are willing to but our medical staff is "too good." Kinda like the young doctor in Any Given Sunday.

I thought about that, too. It's definately possible; the organization is old-school, it's probable that so is the medical staff.

The other thing that I thought about is that maybe our starters aren't so good that the dropoff from, say, Leonard Davis at 80% isn't as steep as Chris Dishman at 100%. That probably says more about where the starters are development-wise than it does about the quality of the backups.

 

[kerouac9]

Re: Re: Are Cards players willing to "Play Hurt"

Originally posted by Jim Omohundro
Gilmore practiced yesterday and will play this week.

McAddley doesn't want to get on the field? Did you ask him?

He has bleeding in his hamstring and is still a few weeks away from being healthy.

Like Krang said, there are some injuries that you can play through and others you simply can't.

So what you're saying is, essentially, that players want to be on the field on Sunday, just not necessarily do the work (say, during bye weeks) that turns mere football teams into winning football teams?

And, if our players are coming down with so many injuries that are debilitating, what's wrong with our training and treatment staff? This is a problem year after year.

By the way, Kelly Holcum played Sunday for the Browns with bleeding in his hamstring, and almost lead them to a comeback victory. He was a backup, but he was active. Last I saw, Jason McAddley was wearing streetclothes on Sundays.

 

[RugbyMuffin]

I thought King's toe was broken!

You can't even walk on a broken toe!

 

[CaptTurbo]

Originally posted by RugbyMuffin
I thought King's toe was broken!

You can't even walk on a broken toe!

The hell you cant! I was being shot at on duty with a broken toe. Youd be amazed at how fast you can run. In the army if something hurts or is broken or you are sick and you smoke they say "Stop Smoking now go back to work!"

 

[bigredjane]

As a dancer-

I have broken nearly all my toes and always walked on them!!

 

[WizardOfAz]

MJ told a story on Friday night's show about Coach Mac telling Q to take a day off and Q got mad becuase he didn't think he was that hurt and he wanted to practice with his teammates.

 

[kerouac9]

Originally posted by WizardOfAz
MJ told a story on Friday night's show about Coach Mac telling Q to take a day off and Q got mad becuase he didn't think he was that hurt and he wanted to practice with his teammates.

And he was one of the players that I exempted, along with Levar Fisher. But it's a little striking to me that this was told and it shocked everyone. From my understanding, most of the players in the NFL play hurt and for their teammates. McNabb, while not my favorite player, is playing despite a broken finger on his throwing hand.

L.J. Shelton should probably be exempted from this, too, since he played all year last year on a broken ankle, and without complaining to the press about it, no less. We're looking in your direction, Mr. Davis.

 

[Jim O]

Re: Re: Re: Are Cards players willing to "Play Hurt"

Originally posted by kerouac9
So what you're saying is, essentially, that players want to be on the field on Sunday, just not necessarily do the work (say, during bye weeks) that turns mere football teams into winning football teams?

You are really reaching in an attempt to antagonize me.

How in the world do you come to this conclusion from what I typed?

You said that Gilmore was on the shelf and I said he practiced yesterday. Therefore, he is not on the shelf. He was here every day over the bye week rehabbing and getting treatment. How can you say that he doesn't want to do the work when he is the first one that shows up every day?

In the case of McAddley, he has a torn hamsting that is still full of blood. He is here everyday rehabbing as well. To say that he does not want to be out there is a big reach in an attempt to stir the pot like you always try to do. To compare him to a QB is a big reach in an attempt to always be right. Does a QB run sprints like a WR does in a game? Absolutely not. Do you know the severity of the QB's injury compared to that of McAddley? No.

Bring it on K9. Keep it coming. Keep it flowing. Antagonize me. Keep reaching to prove that you are right.

 

[Jersey Girl]

I'd much rather have guys healing than playing hurt and performing like McNabb has.

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[Lex]

We humans walk on our feet. Football players push off, generate speed, maintain balance, and get into position to perform, with their toes.

Other injuries can get worse without the proper healing time, and a player playing with a weak area on his body, can injure another area by compensating for the original injury.

All NFL players play hurt, an injury would fit the parameters listed above. There is a difference between Hurt, and injured.

 

[NickelBack]

Originally posted by kerouac9
On balance, are Cardinal players unwilling to play hurt?

Your question is worded very poorly....seems you made it intentionally confusing in an attempt to make some kind of a point.

Why is that?

 

[Jim O]

Re: Re: Are Cards players willing to "Play Hurt"

Originally posted by NickelBack
Your question is worded very poorly....seems you made it intentionally confusing in an attempt to make some kind of a point.

Why is that?

To stir the pot. That is why.

 

[kerouac9]

I'm not trying to antagonize anyone, Jim. I don't have "targets" on this board, and I don't make anything personal. There's no profit in getting excited over a message board.

All I'm saying is that it seems like our guys are not on the field in games more often, for less severe injuries, than those of other teams in the NFL. Perhaps that opinion is mistaken. That's one of the reasons that I posted a poll, was to take the temperature of the rest of the board on the issue. The fact that there were only two wideouts and four d-linemen available for practice during the bye week on a team that is having difficulty moving the ball into the end zone on offense and getting to the quarterback on defense seems to me to be suggestive of the possiblity of a problem. If this is mistaken, and all our players happen to succumb to injuries more severe than most of the NFL before a bye week, then I'll be the first to admit it.

I'm just saying that even Mac is admitting that there is a problem getting players on the field for practice, and that there might be a reason.

 

[NickelBack]

Maybe you missed my question.

Your "poll question" is worded like CRAP. Why is that??

 

[kerouac9]

Re: Re: Are Cards players willing to "Play Hurt"

Originally posted by NickelBack
Your question is worded very poorly....seems you made it intentionally confusing in an attempt to make some kind of a point.

Why is that?

What is your problem in understanding the question. I thought I tried to word the issue clearly in the first post. If you have a problem understanding what I'm asking, I'll clarify.

 

[SECTION 11]

I'd have to agree, kerouac... That poll question sucks.
Thy suckage floweth over.
Suck-o-rama.
Sucka-lucka-ding-dong.

 

[kerouac9]

Originally posted by Lex
All NFL players play hurt, an injury would fit the parameters listed above. There is a difference between Hurt, and injured.

I thought I expressed that in my post. I'm asking whether Cardinal players sit out when they're just "hurt" and not "injured." It seems pretty specific to me.

 

[cards 24-7-365]

I am an athletic trainer just like Jim O's dad. There is a difference between being hurt and being injured. A torn hamstring is a severe injury for someone who makes a living trying to sprint and make quick changes of direction. A torn hamstring is not as limiting to a QB who may cover 10-15 yards on a play at 75% effort.

An ankle injury for a large man i.e. L. Davis, W. Bryant is much more severe than it is for a normal sized man.

You would be shocked to see what these guys play through. You would be shocked to see how much pain medication / anti-inflammitories these guys take. These guys take the needle on Sundays to be able to play and then on Monday the medication wears off - multiply your Monday morning hangover by about 100.

I am always amazed by how many "lay" people question wheather these guys are hurt or not. Look at a guy like Wadsworth who played through alot more than any of us know and now 11 knee surgeries later still has trouble going up and down stairs.

 

[NickelBack]

Well, for starters your actual poll question and the title of this thread do not even match. I am hopeful that there was simply a typo on your part, but one has to wonder given the tenor of your responses within this thread.

If it were me, I would simply admit I was wrong and delete the thread.

 

[jon_nyaz]

I think you need another selection called "I don't know". If that answer was available, that is the one I would choose. This is for two reasons:

1 - I am not the man with the injury, so I cannot expect to know what he is going through...

however...

2 - It sure as heck seems like the Cardinals have WAY MORE than their fair share of players sitting on the sidelines every stinking season with injuries. I know I am really frustrated about this and it just seems like somehow the Cardinals are never as healthy as the rest of the league.