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Here were my 5 question area prior to the game with some post-game answers:

1. Pass Protection. Will BA give some pass protection help to LT John Wetzel on WOLB Jabaal Sheard? Last week Wetzel struggled versus Ziggy Ansuh and Anthony Zettel. Few adjustments were made, particularly on a key 3rd and 6 to start the 4th quarter, when Zettel out-quicker Wetzel and sacked Palmer.

Right from the first series it and the immediate struggles RT Jared Veldheer was having, it was looking like the Cardinals were going to have a tough time protecting Palmer. To the question of BA offering pass protection help, the answer remains: little to none. There were occasions in the spread where the TE or the slot WR was in position to chip on the DE, but no, they did not. On one of the sacks Veldheer gave up, Ifeanyi Momah was lined up next to Veldheer and all Momah had to do is pop the DE once to prevent his burst, but instead Momah released and the DE raced past Veldheer off the edge. This stubbornness on BA's part is a major concern moving forward. The line did settle down in the second half, otherwise today's main storyline would have been how a QB with 6 practices managed to outplay and beat a veteran former #1 pick in the draft QB with 5 years in the system.

2. RB By Committee. Will the Cardinals get some production fro the new RB by committee, featuring Kerwynn Williams, Andre Ellington, Chris Johnson and Elijhaaa Penny? BA raved about the Colts' front 7 this week, saying how well they handled Todd Gurley last week. Will the Cardinals be able to move the ball on the ground or the air with their RBs?

Chris Johnson emerged as the primary RB. he started the second half and ran for 11/44/4.0...which could have been 12/64/5.3 had TE Troy Niklas not held on CJ's nice bounce out run. Kerwynn Williams ran hard but did not find creases. Ellington had one good 8 yard run up the left B gap. Penny's one big play, a crisscross pass play in the red zone was nullified when RG Evan Boehm jumped off-sides.

3. Defensive Matchups. Will the Cardinals pass rushers Markus Golden and Chandler Jones have a big day versus Jacoby Brissett? Can they keep him in the pocket? How do the Cardinals' secondary match up with the Colts' skill players? Last week, Golden Tate had a productive day versus the Cardinals and James Bettcher did not counter by switching Patrick Peterson over to him. This week, it would seem a given that Peterson cover T.Y. Hilton, the Colts' speedy and versatile WR. That would mean Justin Bethel would match up with Donte Moncrief. But, herein lies the main issue for the Cardinals. Who plays centerfield? Last week Antione Bethea was used there and was ineffective. This week in man coverage it would seem that the best option the Cardinals have for covering TE Jack Doyle is Tyvon Branch, as Branch has the size and speed to blanket Doyle, while Tyrann Matthieu might be more of a mismatch for Doyle. Can Mathieu play centerfield? That has not been a strength for him to this point, and is he fast and rangy enough? How about Budda Baker? Budda compensates for a lack of blazing speed with excellent anticipation and a nice for the ball. But, he only was given two snaps on defense last week. The speediest option is Rudy Ford, but is he ready to assume a key role? The Colts reportedly are starting their 1st round draft pick FS Malik Hooker who was taken at #15. Because the Cardinals appear to still lack a true centerfielder, will they regret passing on Malik Hooker? If LB Haason Reddick has another good day tackling and covering Frank Gore and Marlon Mack, then the Hooker debate could be all the more moot, particularly if Budda Baker can pick up the slack at FS.

* Markus Golden had tackling issues, otherwise he could have had at least 2 sacks.
* Chandler Jones took charge and recorded 6 tackles and 2 sacks.
* Brissett was able to break the pocket pretty easily whenever he tried to. His bootlegs were easy completions to the TE. The OLB (Golden) did not keep contain and for whatever reason the TE on those plays seems always open versus the Cardinals. The only defender I saw cover this play in pre-season was Cap Capi.
* Patrick Peterson did a good job covering T.Y. Hilton, but needs to not give up so much cushion in the zone defense, as Kamar Aiken caught an easy pass in Peterson's zone. Peterson should drool at his chances in zones, ones he otherwise rarely gets.
* Justin Bethel did a good job on Donte Moncrief.
* Tryann Mathieu got closer and stronger in underneath coverage as the game went on. You could see him getting closer to picking one off on Brissett's last possession of regulation. Brissett threw that pass into the turf near HB's feet. Then, HB made the game winning pick on a similar crossing route to Moncrief. So smart it was of Badger to get what he could out of the return and then fall down.
* Tyvon Branch and Antoine Bethea took turns again at FS and this week neither was burned by a deep pass. Tyron Mathieu was used exclusively underneath, which is where he plays best. As was Budda Baker who made a superb chase down tackle of Moncrief on a key 3rd and 8 late in the game. Baker drives through the man on his tackles, something this defense needs more of.
* I thought James Bettcher would put Branch on TE Jack Doyle, but I only saw that one time, as Mathieu, Dansby and Reddick tried to stick with Doyle. Covering the TEs was a real issue for the Cardinals. At one point Brissett was 7/7 throwing to the TEs.
* As for the Colts' FS Malik Hooker, yes he had the big interception of Palmer's ill-advised floater, which pretty much any FS should have made. Otherwise, Hooker was not a major factor in the game. With the versatility that Haason Reddick offers as a chaser, cover man and cat-quick rusher, imo, Reddick was a stronger choice at #13 than Hooker. But, the Cardinals still need to find a true centerfielder.


4. Special Teams. Will the Cardinals win the special teams battle? Last week the Cardinals fared well on special teams, but suffered a real momentum setback when Phil Dawson shanked the 32 yard field goal attempt right before the end of the first half. Punter Andy Lee was excellent and the cover teams were solid, thanks to tackles by Penny and Ford. Will the Cardinals have turned a corner here or will they be lamenting more game changing gaffes?

* The first STs gaffe came quickly when DT Rodney Gunter got called for illegal leverage on the FG attempt, which then led to the Colts' TD and their 7-0 lead.
* The Colts' punter Rigoberto Sanchez was never pressured and continued to flip the field on the Cardinals. The Cardinals always seem to give the opposing punter a total and complete comfort zone.
* Andy Lee was good...but the punt coverage was spotty until ST's star of the game Budda Baker took care of things. The Cardinals dodged a major bullet late in the game at 13-13 when the Colts has what looked to be a sure and easy punt block up the left side, where for some reason the Cardinals' punt team always seems vulnerable, yet the blocker mysteriously pulled up and whiffed.
* The last STs gaffe came after BA kept taking -1 yard kneel downs and then sent the FG team in on 4th down. Sending them in on 3rd down is the smartest option, because if there is a bad snap the holder can throw an incomplete pass and they can try the kick again. It first felt like BA was freezing his own kicker sand then Chuck Pagano called the TO in the nick of time. And then Phil Dawson, who in this game preferred to kick from the left hash marks, pushed the kick wide right. Dawson said after the game that so much had been said about the Cardinals' kicking woes of the past that it has just kind of "built up" on him.
* To Dawson's credit, he split the uprights on the game winner, which was a thing of beauty to Cardinals' fans like myself who by that time needed a ventilator and a three shots of Jack Daniels.


5. QB Play. Will Carson Palmer bounce back from his turnover prone week 1 performance? While he will be missing RB David Johnson, WR John Brown, LT D.J. Humphries, RG Mike Iupati and (quite probably) TE Jermaine Gresham, the focus of the offense should be on spreading the ball around and taking whatever the Colts' defense gives them. Jared Goff was able to find holes in the Colts' secondary last week. Will Palmer be able to do so this week? Will he find a rhythm? If not, would BA be amenable to turn to Blaine Gabbert for a spark? Would Gabbert even be active this week? With as many injuries as the Cardinals currently have, maybe Gabbert will dress for this one. Could Gabbert's presence be an added incentive for Palmer to produce at a higher level, they way it was for Drew Stanton to produce at a higher level this pre-season?

* More of the same offensive struggles for Carson Palmer for most of the game...which prompted BA at half-time and post-game to summarize the team's deficiencies on offense as "it's the QB."
* The whole offense was out of sync. Veldheer giving up early pressure set a poor tone. Ellington going in motion when the ball was snapped. Palmer nearly getting picked off throwing the ball late on the out passes to Ellington and Jaron Brown. Ifeanyi Momah with a drop (but made up for it later with a superb corner pass, catch and run). Bohem off-sides in red zone. Nelson not dragging his second foot in the end zone (tough play, but just missed by a fraction of an inch). Palmer getting flushed by a 3 man rush in the red zone and throwing the ball away. The curious fade pass to Fitz on 4th and 1. While a 50/50 ball like that to Fitz is always a good gamble, wasn't there a play in BA's bag of tricks that had a better percentage on 4th and 1?
* Then came the unforced "floater" from Palmer which reminds us that this is a normal occurrence from him...it is what it is. Other teams have said and been so right that Palmer will throw 3-4 passes a game that can be readily picked off. This one was very reminiscent of another game in which the Cardinals lost to a backup QB. In 2015 at Pittsburgh, while losing to Landry Jones the Cardinals were 1st and 10 in the red zone late in the game where a FG would at least tie the game and Palmer on 1st and 10 floated a ball over the middle to Gresham and the Steeler's FS could have fair caught it, it was such an easy interception.
* Are the Cardinals good enough on defense and STs to continue to have to compensate for Palmer's 3-4 bad throws into coverage a game? For the past 18 games, that answer is clearly no.
* Now let's be real about this comeback win -- the offense was still so out of sorts in the 4th quarter that BA was electing to run the ball up the middle for 4 yards a pop down 13-3, and then IT happened...on 3rd and 2 with all sorts of confusion at the line of scrimmage, Palmer fumbles the snap, and an absolute miracle occurred...it was like the Red Sea parting just in the nick of time and Palmer had the presence of mind to pick the ball up and barrel forward for the first down. BA rightfully called this play a total "FUBAR."
* Let's face it, if Palmer does what QB are always taught to do as in dive on the ball or the Colts hop on the fumble, the game is over.
* From that point on, Palmer was dang good. I mean dang good. Great passes to J.J. Nelson, what a thing of beauty that perfect TD pass and catch by Nelson was. Palmer waited patiently for that coverage and when he got it he nailed it. The succeeding passes to Golden and Jaron Brown (aided by a roughing the passer penalty) to get the Cardinals in good field position to tie the game, and then to possibly win the game.
* The good news is that late and forced throws to Jaron Brown (one early and one late in the game) and Andre Ellington that weren't picked off didn't wind up ruining the game like those kids of passes did last week versus Detroit.
* I asked prior to the game whether it would be good to dress Blaine Gabbert and I still feel 100& certain that it would. If the Cardinals are ever going to shake Carson Palmer out of his 3-4 potential "palmovers" a game it will be because there is another QB on the roster the coaches would turn to. That QB is not Drew Stanton, even though BA had Stanton warming up in the 4th quarter. That QB is Blaine Gabbert, who throws a quicker, faster ball than Palmer and who can readily and quickly escape pressure with is feet. if Jacoby Brissett can play good football on 6 days of practice, Blaine Gabbert can play good football on 6 months of practice. But, just Gabbert's presence might be the only thing to snap Palmer out of his prolonged funk.
* And while we are at it---how about opening up the RT competition---could Ulrich John be a better option than Veldheer who clearly is struggling? When D.J. Humphries returns, is John Wetzel the stronger option at RT? Wetzel is one of the best run blockers on the team and he settled down in pass protection yesterday, as he did versus the Falcons' starters in pre-season. Moreover the Cardinals have to do something about their interior pass rush. Weren't Robert Nkemdiche, Olsen Pierre and Rodney Gunter supposed to help? Where have they been? Not only did Corey Peters stop moving his feet on his pass rush, passes were going right over his head without him at least raising his hands to try to bat or re-direct the pass. The coaching of the inside pass rush has been glaringly bad. Poor technique, effort and situational awareness. Plus, any scrambling QB can slip easily right pass the DTs because they allow themselves to be stuck in mud and to quit on the plays.
* This game was a miracle win. It was, for the most part, undeserved. There are games that teams deserve to win, and this one wasn't one of those games for the Cardinals. The defense gave up a long, time consuming drive that put the Colts up 13-3 several minutes deep into the 4th quarter. A #50 (who is that?) holds on the kickoff and pins the Cardinals' offense deep. BA was so fed up with the offense at that point that he was running the ball and the clock down with 7 minutes left, down 13-3. Then came FUBAR. Unreal. Will BA and the team be able to capitalize on this gratuity or will they go right back to playing 3+ quarters of listless, disorganized and uninspired football?

 
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Nope. He is as stubborn as they come.

Phil Dawson...really? You are 42 and were affected mentally by our kicking struggles in the past? C'mon Man!

I hope I'm wrong, TCF, but I think the f-bombing BA and his f-bombing coaches have this team tied up in knots. It's like being married to a spouse who ******* at you all the time. After a while you just stop listening, just to preserve you own sanity. And then you concede that you probably would be better off being single.
 
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Also, can Arians stop receiving first to start the game since it's an automatic 3 & out?

I've been thinking the same thing. Mix it up. Try to pin the other team deep on the first possession and capitalize on good field position. plus, for a change, you get the ball first in the second half, which really helps if you are behind.
 

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I am glad Troy Niklas got a mention for that holding call. What is wrong with that guy? That was actually a very easy block to execute, given the pre-snap positioning. Killer penalty at the time. This on the heels of Gresham's dumb penalty which cost himself a TD last week, and later in the Colts game Momah drops one in his hands. All this while the likes of Jack Doyle just eats us alive. The cardinals really need a larger contribution from TE, including the chip blocks on the way out.
 

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I hope I'm wrong, TCF, but I think the f-bombing BA and his f-bombing coaches have this team tied up in knots. It's like being married to a spouse who ******* at you all the time. After a while you just stop listening, just to preserve you own sanity. And then you concede that you probably would be better off being single.
Every coach in the NFL and college is like this. None of these guys is that mentally soft, I hope.

Matthieu almost made my Goats list this week by redeemed himself with the INT at the end. He has nothing left. Plays he would've made 2 years ago aren't happening, and it's a huge problem.
 

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Every coach in the NFL and college is like this. None of these guys is that mentally soft, I hope.

Matthieu almost made my Goats list this week by redeemed himself with the INT at the end. He has nothing left. Plays he would've made 2 years ago aren't happening, and it's a huge problem.

This is what I worry about. No outs in that contract until 2020. Part of me hopes he can lose some weight and regain his quickness, but it is only a hope at this point. Good news is that we have Budda Baker on the roster who does similar things well. Bad news is that we are still on the hook for 10+ mil per year through 2019.
 
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Every coach in the NFL and college is like this. None of these guys is that mentally soft, I hope.

Matthieu almost made my Goats list this week by redeemed himself with the INT at the end. He has nothing left. Plays he would've made 2 years ago aren't happening, and it's a huge problem.

Yes, many coaches are f-bombers, but the great ones know when enough is enough. If it's constant, the players will tune it out. Clearly, it looks like this team is just like last year's...they haven't responded to the coaching and are stuck in the same rut. Players today in general do not respond to 'tough love" they way they used to, partly because a lot of parents no longer give tough love and a lot of coaches coddle their star players. But, no matter what, an NFL coach is responsible for building up his team's confidence and for 20 of the last 21 games that confidence level has been low. There is a whole lotta disconnect going on here.

I hope and believe that you are wrong about Honey Badger. Yes, he's been a step slow in the slot, which is usually his forte. But, he got stronger and more confident as the game went on. He's still trying to build his stamina and the confidence in his knees. Plus, Bettcher is starting to use a lot more zone and zone/combo coverages which man-to-man heavy players like HB and PP are just starting to adapt to. So, at times it looks like HB is out of position when he's actually just starting to pick up a man entering in his zone. Not sure if you are blaming HB for his coverage versus Golden Tate. Imo, even PP would have had some of his own struggles with Golden Tate, if they would have tried him on Tate. Covering Tate one on one is like trying to cover Dennis Schroder or John Wall one on one. This is one of the reasons why Bettcher is trying to get the guys accustomed to playing some zones in order to provide build in, reliable help, because against fast underneath slot WRs or good pass catching TEs like Jack Doyle, it's very hard to contain them. And if s speedster like Tate gets a step on you and makes the catch, without help, he is gone.
 

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Yes, many coaches are f-bombers, but the great ones know when enough is enough. If it's constant, the players will tune it out. Clearly, it looks like this team is just like last year's...they haven't responded to the coaching and are stuck in the same rut. Players today in general do not respond to 'tough love" they way they used to, partly because a lot of parents no longer give tough love and a lot of coaches coddle their star players. But, no matter what, an NFL coach is responsible for building up his team's confidence and for 20 of the last 21 games that confidence level has been low. There is a whole lotta disconnect going on here.

I hope and believe that you are wrong about Honey Badger. Yes, he's been a step slow in the slot, which is usually his forte. But, he got stronger and more confident as the game went on. He's still trying to build his stamina and the confidence in his knees. Plus, Bettcher is starting to use a lot more zone and zone/combo coverages which man-to-man heavy players like HB and PP are just starting to adapt to. So, at times it looks like HB is out of position when he's actually just starting to pick up a man entering in his zone. Not sure if you are blaming HB for his coverage versus Golden Tate. Imo, even PP would have had some of his own struggles with Golden Tate, if they would have tried him on Tate. Covering Tate one on one is like trying to cover Dennis Schroder or John Wall one on one. This is one of the reasons why Bettcher is trying to get the guys accustomed to playing some zones in order to provide build in, reliable help, because against fast underneath slot WRs or good pass catching TEs like Jack Doyle, it's very hard to contain them. And if s speedster like Tate gets a step on you and makes the catch, without help, he is gone.


You get confidence when you win. This is mostly the same group that went to the NFC Championship game. If Carson Palmer needs an "atta boy" while stinking up the joint and being the 10th-best paid QB in the NFL, I have no sympathy.

NFL teams play zone defense all the time — including the Cards. I think it was a mistake to play so much zone against this Colts team. If the strength of this team is the D — and it is — let them man up and win against inferior competition. Hard to look at Jack Doyle's stat line and say what the Cards were doing was working.

I was actually okay with Mathieu's game last week. I thought the Cards should've positioned Peterson on Tate and dealt separately with Golliday and Marvin Jones. To me, it looked like they played bracket coverage on Tate with Mathieu on the outside and a safety or Los on the inside. It worked to the extent that Golden Tate didn't take over the game.

I guess the question is: Is Tyrann Mathieu playing like a $10M per year defensive back? He's not playing tough against the run (6 tackles on the year), he's not putting pressure on the passer, and he's not getting his hands on balls he would have 2 years ago. There's nothing you can do about it right now except keep running him out there and hoping for the best, but it's troubling.
 
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You get confidence when you win. This is mostly the same group that went to the NFC Championship game. If Carson Palmer needs an "atta boy" while stinking up the joint and being the 10th-best paid QB in the NFL, I have no sympathy.

NFL teams play zone defense all the time — including the Cards. I think it was a mistake to play so much zone against this Colts team. If the strength of this team is the D — and it is — let them man up and win against inferior competition. Hard to look at Jack Doyle's stat line and say what the Cards were doing was working.

I was actually okay with Mathieu's game last week. I thought the Cards should've positioned Peterson on Tate and dealt separately with Golliday and Marvin Jones. To me, it looked like they played bracket coverage on Tate with Mathieu on the outside and a safety or Los on the inside. It worked to the extent that Golden Tate didn't take over the game.

I guess the question is: Is Tyrann Mathieu playing like a $10M per year defensive back? He's not playing tough against the run (6 tackles on the year), he's not putting pressure on the passer, and he's not getting his hands on balls he would have 2 years ago. There's nothing you can do about it right now except keep running him out there and hoping for the best, but it's troubling.

Yes, winning breeds confidence, but giving the players a competitive advantage so that they can win is paramount. For the past 21 games BA has mapped out the first 20 plays with Carson Palmer and week after week Palmer and the offense can't execute them. The offense comes out looking lethargic and shaky. But it's also the same old minimal pass protections that have put the Cardinals in a distinct disadvantage, especially with an immobile QB. Even the FOX announcers quoted BA yesterday as saying he doesn't change the offense for any team...and you know what? That is gospel truth. And that's precisely the problem. The offense has become so stale and so predictable while remaining so vulnerable it's no wonder they don't score points in the first half.

Your assessment of Mathieu and the Cardinals' defensive plan in the Lions' game is spot-on. I am glad you elaborated on that. Perfectly said. I went into the game thinking Peterson would be on Tate and was surprised he wasn't and then even more surprised Peterson wasn't switched over to Tate when he repeatedly was moving the chains.

To answer your question, I agree that HB doesn't look like a $10M a year CB/S right now, but I feel like we are seeing some signs that he is starting to recapture his playmaking ability. I think your question has even more merit considering what safety is picking up the slack for last year's leading tackler Tony Jefferson? It hasn't been HB and Tyvon Branch has been the best tackler in space coming from FS, but no one has tackled or created the havoc that Jefferson did in the box. That is a concern.
 

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This is what I worry about. No outs in that contract until 2020. Part of me hopes he can lose some weight and regain his quickness, but it is only a hope at this point. Good news is that we have Budda Baker on the roster who does similar things well. Bad news is that we are still on the hook for 10+ mil per year through 2019.
Never understood that, you give a guy coming off of not one but two ACL tears and you give him a hugh contract? What the hell was Keim thinking? They let too much emotion play into decisions. I almost get the feeling that they do it so other players who are coming up on FA will stay and think it's a nice organization and we will get ours when the time comes instead of earning it.
 

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Yes, winning breeds confidence, but giving the players a competitive advantage so that they can win is paramount. For the past 21 games BA has mapped out the first 20 plays with Carson Palmer and week after week Palmer and the offense can't execute them. The offense comes out looking lethargic and shaky. But it's also the same old minimal pass protections that have put the Cardinals in a distinct disadvantage, especially with an immobile QB. Even the FOX announcers quoted BA yesterday as saying he doesn't change the offense for any team...and you know what? That is gospel truth. And that's precisely the problem. The offense has become so stale and so predictable while remaining so vulnerable it's no wonder they don't score points in the first half.

Your assessment of Mathieu and the Cardinals' defensive plan in the Lions' game is spot-on. I am glad you elaborated on that. Perfectly said. I went into the game thinking Peterson would be on Tate and was surprised he wasn't and then even more surprised Peterson wasn't switched over to Tate when he repeatedly was moving the chains.

To answer your question, I agree that HB doesn't look like a $10M a year CB/S right now, but I feel like we are seeing some signs that he is starting to recapture his playmaking ability. I think your question has even more merit considering what safety is picking up the slack for last year's leading tackler Tony Jefferson? It hasn't been HB and Tyvon Branch has been the best tackler in space coming from FS, but no one has tackled or created the havoc that Jefferson did in the box. That is a concern.

If this is accurate, then Arians is officially insane.
 

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Yes, winning breeds confidence, but giving the players a competitive advantage so that they can win is paramount. For the past 21 games BA has mapped out the first 20 plays with Carson Palmer and week after week Palmer and the offense can't execute them. The offense comes out looking lethargic and shaky. But it's also the same old minimal pass protections that have put the Cardinals in a distinct disadvantage, especially with an immobile QB. Even the FOX announcers quoted BA yesterday as saying he doesn't change the offense for any team...and you know what? That is gospel truth. And that's precisely the problem. The offense has become so stale and so predictable while remaining so vulnerable it's no wonder they don't score points in the first half.

Your assessment of Mathieu and the Cardinals' defensive plan in the Lions' game is spot-on. I am glad you elaborated on that. Perfectly said. I went into the game thinking Peterson would be on Tate and was surprised he wasn't and then even more surprised Peterson wasn't switched over to Tate when he repeatedly was moving the chains.

To answer your question, I agree that HB doesn't look like a $10M a year CB/S right now, but I feel like we are seeing some signs that he is starting to recapture his playmaking ability. I think your question has even more merit considering what safety is picking up the slack for last year's leading tackler Tony Jefferson? It hasn't been HB and Tyvon Branch has been the best tackler in space coming from FS, but no one has tackled or created the havoc that Jefferson did in the box. That is a concern.

If this is accurate, then Arians is officially insane.
 
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Never understood that, you give a guy coming off of not one but two ACL tears and you give him a hugh contract? What the hell was Keim thinking? They let too much emotion play into decisions. I almost get the feeling that they do it so other players who are coming up on FA will stay and think it's a nice organization and we will get ours when the time comes instead of earning it.

This contract was a tough call. No question. They wanted to reward HB for being arguably the defensive MVP and leader during the 13-3 season and obviously were so devastated for him following the second knee injury.

Actually Keim and Disner structured HB's deal so that the team could opt out after this season, as HB is due a roster bonus of $5M next spring. The dead cap money is $9.3M, but they would save $5M on the cap if they release or trade him. It's not ideal at all, but it's a possibility. The hope is that it all is a moot point come next spring and HB has restored his confidence and has rewarded the team's faith in him.
 

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This is what I worry about. No outs in that contract until 2020. Part of me hopes he can lose some weight and regain his quickness, but it is only a hope at this point. Good news is that we have Budda Baker on the roster who does similar things well. Bad news is that we are still on the hook for 10+ mil per year through 2019.


He is due a ton of guaranteed money on first day of league year 2018. Correct me if I'm wrong, there is an option to release him prior with 9M left in guarantees. That's a big number, but if he has another major injury this year it would have to be considered, right?
 

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Never understood that, you give a guy coming off of not one but two ACL tears and you give him a hugh contract? What the hell was Keim thinking? They let too much emotion play into decisions. I almost get the feeling that they do it so other players who are coming up on FA will stay and think it's a nice organization and we will get ours when the time comes instead of earning it.
You mean Gresham?
 

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If this is accurate, then Arians is officially insane.
It is not 100% correct. Arians doesn't change his offense for any team. What he does is use different parts of his offense more or less depending on how he wants to attack the other team. Most coaches are like this, the Patriots are one as well.
 

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He is due a ton of guaranteed money on first day of league year 2018. Correct me if I'm wrong, there is an option to release him prior with 9M left in guarantees. That's a big number, but if he has another major injury this year it would have to be considered, right?

In 2018, releasing Matheiu costs you 9.3mil and saves you 4.8. In 2019, the ratio is 6.2mil to save 7.9. 2020 pay 3 to save 11.
 

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Sometimes scripting. the first 15 - 20 offensive plays has more to do with anayzing what your opponent is doing than it does racking up early points. Maybe that explains CP's typical slow starts.
 

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In 2018, releasing Matheiu costs you 9.3mil and saves you 4.8. In 2019, the ratio is 6.2mil to save 7.9. 2020 pay 3 to save 11.

On the first day of 2018 he gets 5M roster bonus, 2018 salary guaranteed and 8M of 2019 guaranteed. So big decision this offseason!
 

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Mathieu is the least of our problems. What about the offensive line especially next year? Iupati and Veldheer are terrible now and they will both be cut probably. So we have holes at LG and RT. Shipley is the definition of stopgap at C and the jury is still out on Boehm. The worst part is there doesn't appear to be anyone worth signing in 2018 free agency
 

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Our two pieces that carry over to next year should be Humphries LT and Boehm C.

Maybe we can play Boone a year at LG. Not giving up on Veldheer at RT after 2 games, but if he stinks (or retires) we will need to replace the right side of the line at minimum. Maybe we can actually draft a player and develop him. Fill the other spot with a journeyman. Next year is not looking promising anyway
 

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