Arizona Cardinals GM Steve Keim cited for DUI on July 4

[Brian in Mesa]

Agreed. I will lock it.

Well, it is an ongoing story that is just going to continue to develop. We are a couple of days removed from the BAC results being released. Are we just going to have multiple Keim DUI threads as news is released?

 

[ajcardfan]

Well, it is an ongoing story that is just going to continue to develop. We are a couple of days removed from the BAC results being released. Are we just going to have multiple Keim DUI threads as news is released?

You are right. If someone gets too out of hand then we can delete posts.

Hey, I'm still loopy from my surgery!

 

[football karma]

Name-dropping a dead cop? Was he really wasted, lying his ass off, or just that out of touch with reality?

Police Report: Cardinals GM Steve Keim Tried To Name-Drop A Dead Cop During His DUI Arrest

https://deadspin.com/police-report-cardinals-gm-steve-keim-tried-to-name-dr-1827507541

or maybe not:


https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.c...nt-misidentify-himself-at-time-of-dui-arrest/

 

[Dback Jon]

or maybe not:


https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.c...nt-misidentify-himself-at-time-of-dui-arrest/

So two of the things people were bagging on SK for were not true:

“After reviewing the BWC footage, Mr. Keim stated that a person by the name of Sean McKenzie was their director of security and that he worked for the Arizona Cardinals. The officer will be completing a supplemental report to make that correction.”

The Cardinals’ vice president of security is actually named Sean Kinsey.

 

[Dback Jon]

So lesson one: Initial Police Reports are not always accurate, and one should wait until the full story is available for bringing out the pitchforks.

 

[BillsCarnage]

The Cardinals’ vice president of security is actually named Sean Kinsey.

Which seems pretty easy to confuse with Mckenzie

So lesson one: Initial Media Reports are not always accurate, and one should wait until the full story is available for bringing out the pitchforks.

FIFY

 

[Dback Jon]

FIFY

That's Lesson Two

 

[GatorAZ]

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[Kel Varnsen]

So two of the things people were bagging on SK for were not true:

“After reviewing the BWC footage, Mr. Keim stated that a person by the name of Sean McKenzie was their director of security and that he worked for the Arizona Cardinals. The officer will be completing a supplemental report to make that correction.”

The Cardinals’ vice president of security is actually named Sean Kinsey.

So why would he mention Kinsey at all?

 

[TJ]

So why would he mention Kinsey at all?

According to Gambo, he’s the guy that they’re supposed to contact in these sort of events.

 

[unseenaz]

So why would he mention Kinsey at all?

any member of the cardinals needs to alert head of security anytime they get involved with something regarding the law.

the revised statement makes it sound like keim stated "i need to call head of security" or something along those lines

 

[Kel Varnsen]

any member of the cardinals needs to alert head of security anytime they get involved with something regarding the law.

the revised statement makes it sound like keim stated "i need to call head of security" or something along those lines

Thanks. That makes sense.

Of course, if he could remember that, he probably should have also remembered that driving after drinking is a bad thing.

 

[AZ Native]

So lesson one: Initial Police Reports are not always accurate, and one should wait until the full story is available for bringing out the pitchforks.

It is amazing that people are already frothing at the mouth to fire him when the many of the facts are not known and due process has not been served. I swear, the internet will be the death of us. Guilty until proven innocent.

 

[Brian in Mesa]

Thanks. That makes sense.

Of course, if he could remember that, he probably should have also remembered that driving after drinking is a bad thing.

Yeah, he should have called him for a ride and avoided all of this.

 

[Mainstreet]

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Some of the bad driving moments may have been compounded by seeing the police. It gets the adrenaline flowing.

 

[WisconsinCard]

He was inebriated and not thinking clearly.

Or the cop asked him where he works or what he does for a living. I am guessing if that were the case he didn't want to say he is the GM for the team. Also I have had a couple of encounters with SK and IMO he acted like his #@$% don't stink. So IMO if he thought his title would have gotten him off or a ride home he would have used it.

 

[Cheesebeef]

It is amazing that people are already frothing at the mouth to fire him when the many of the facts are not known and due process has not been served. I swear, the internet will be the death of us. Guilty until proven innocent.

here's what we do know. He's admitted publicly to making a mistake here. HIS WORDS. That's good enough for me to consider him guilty once. And he already got a previous DUI. That makes him guilty twice. The internet has nothing to do with either of those things. One was an admission of guilt a couple days and another was a finding of guilt by a court of law. That's all I need to know that someone who continually puts other's lives in danger shouldn't be the figurehead for a huge sports team in a league where this kind of stuff runs rampant.

 

[Dback Jon]

here's what we do know. He's admitted publicly to making a mistake here. HIS WORDS. That's good enough for me to consider him guilty once. And he already got a previous DUI. That makes him guilty twice. The internet has nothing to do with either of those things. One was an admission of guilt a couple days and another was a finding of guilt by a court of law. That's all I need to know that someone who continually puts other's lives in danger shouldn't be the figurehead for a huge sports team in a league where this kind of stuff runs rampant.

What we were both referring to is the hysteria of him ID'ing himself as wrongly and name dropping a dead cop - neither were true

 

[AZ Native]

here's what we do know. He's admitted publicly to making a mistake here. HIS WORDS. That's good enough for me to consider him guilty once. And he already got a previous DUI. That makes him guilty twice. The internet has nothing to do with either of those things. One was an admission of guilt a couple days and another was a finding of guilt by a court of law. That's all I need to know that someone who continually puts other's lives in danger shouldn't be the figurehead for a huge sports team in a league where this kind of stuff runs rampant.

So he admitted making a mistake and all his constitutional rights are gone because you say so. WOW! Let's just see how this all plays out as his constitutional rights will come into play. He may be guilty as hell, but I will reserve my judgement until all the facts are in and he is given due process. Have you never served on a jury?

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

So lesson one: Initial Police Reports are not always accurate, and one should wait until the full story is available for bringing out the pitchforks.

Yes you’re right, that correction makes recklessly endangering others juuust fine.

 

[Cheesebeef]

So he admitted making a mistake and all his constitutional rights are gone because you say so. WOW! Let's just see how this all plays out as his constitutional rights will come into play.

WTF are you talking about? I think he should be fire because he all but admitted he was driving drunk in his apology and he's already driven drunk and gotten busted for it before.

I said NOTHING about pulling his constitutional rights. THERE ARE NO CONSTISTUTIONAL RIGHTS TO BEING AN NFL GM.

Seriously... the above is such distortion of what I said and have been talking about that's it's flat out insulting to even continue this conversation.

DO NOT LIE/DISTORT/PROJECT BS INTO MY ARGUMENT BECAUSE YOUR ARGUMENT SUCKS.

He may be guilty as hell, but I will reserve my judgement until all the facts are in and he is given due process. Have you never served on a jury?

Again... this has NOTHING TO DO WITH COURT. Dude admitted making a mistake here (if that mistake WASN'T driving drunk I'd LOVE to hear what he was apologizing for)... a MASSIVE mistake that he's already gotten busted for previously in his life. Doing it twice says to me he's done it A LOT. I'm not a juror... the Cardinals aren't the U.S. Government. He doesn't have a constitutional right to his job. He's a piece of garbage who drives drunk and puts other people lives in danger. That kind of person is not a leader of men and our GM needs to be exactly that.

 

[Dback Jon]

Yes you’re right, that correction makes recklessly endangering others juuust fine.

Good Lord you are dense. No one said that.

 

[Cheesebeef]

What we were both referring to is the hysteria of him ID'ing himself as wrongly and name dropping a dead cop - neither were true

BS - look at the post right below this.

Oh... and Jon, the next time you'll hold your tongue and not immediately call members of the GOP TRAITORS/KILLERS/WHATEVER ELSE you want to slam them as at the FIRST SIGN of ANYTHING they do wrong before "all the facts come out" will be a first.

And it goes back to what I was saying to Cub... it's the idea that when it's one of YOUR guys (a democrat or cardinal) is accused do you want to sit back and let due process take it's course, but when it's someone on the opposition, you attack attack attack immediately. That hypocrisy runs rampant here and I've never understood how people can't be objective about their "teams" whether that's sports or politics.

 

[Cheesebeef]

Good Lord you are dense. No one said that.

it's definitely what you're implying.

The security thing isn't an issue.

TWO DUIs is.

 

[Dback Jon]

BS - look at the post right below this.

Oh... and Jon, the next time you'll hold your tongue and not immediately call members of the GOP TRAITORS/KILLERS/WHATEVER ELSE you want to slam them as at the FIRST SIGN of ANYTHING they do wrong before "all the facts come out" will be a first.

And it goes back to what I was saying to Cub... it's the idea that when it's one of YOUR guys (a democrat or cardinal) is accused do you want to sit back and let due process take it's course, but when it's someone on the opposition, you attack attack attack immediately. That hypocrisy runs rampant here and I've never understood how people can't be objective about their "teams" whether that's sports or politics.

Again, not saying that Keim shoudn't recieve some punishment, depending on circumstances. But the wild speculation based on an error-filled police report ratcheted up the volume on the lynch mob here.



And to compare this to politics is ridiculous.