Arizona Cardinals GM Steve Keim cited for DUI on July 4

[Stout]

They’re not in the intersection when it turns red. They’re not even in the crosswalk! Greedy drivers.

Yeah, that's bad. My biggest pet peeve? Out on the highway, you go to pass a slow driver. All of a sudden, they speed up. Oh, I'm sorry, am I huwting youw poow wittle feewings? You feel like less of a man because you're about to be passed? Okay, I'll get behind you--and ride your ass for the next hundred miles if you slow down again lol

 

[NJCardFan]

Easy answer. Speeding is more dangerous and causes more traffic accidents and fatalities. However, it doesn't spark the moral debate drinking an driving does. I doubt there'd be a 25+ page thread on Keim going 65 in a 45 even though that would be statistically much more dangerous.

And this is my point. Only the political hot buttons get the attention.

 

[Jetstream Green]

Because the cop is looking for any reason to arrest, not let you go. Any stumble, mumble, etc and the bracelets go on.

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The part which did Keim in was when he was unable to follow the light without moving his head, and I can understand the cop's reaction. If I was not drunk, I would still not take a breath test, because I do not trust the process on the spot. Most cops are fair but I am not going to risk that one percent pulling me over who are not. Seeing the video, it was all pretty civil and both parties acted accordingly. Keim did not seem trashed but I realize just a little alcohol can be the difference between the death of a innocent bystander when decisions only take a second to be of importance. I am not going to even approach a Floyd comparison where the driver is so inebriated they are passed out at a freaking intersection

 

[gimpy]

You have different breath tests. The portable one a roadside officer gives you (unless things have changed) are not good in court for the actual reading that it gives you, but, it can and is used just to show that you have been drinking. A point against you if it registers anything. And if it's a high reading, it would be hard to get that out of a person's head.

The officer was looking for DUIs. That is perfectly obvious from his commentary on the film as he was following the vehicle. He was noting every little mistake made by the vehicle/driver. That is because he will use that tape to write his report later.

 

[Brian in Mesa]

Easy answer. Speeding is more dangerous and causes more traffic accidents and fatalities. However, it doesn't spark the moral debate drinking an driving does. I doubt there'd be a 25+ page thread on Keim going 65 in a 45 even though that would be statistically much more dangerous.

It is not statistically much more dangerous. They are practically equal. About a third of all fatal traffic accidents involve speeding and about a third of all fatal traffic accidents involve drinking and driving. You act like speeding is 10 times worse. Not sure why people feel the need to diminish the seriousness of drinking and driving.

 

[MadCardDisease]

and wouldn't take the field sobriety test?

Any good lawyer will tell you:

1. pull over safely an be polite to the officer
2. Don't lie but don't answer any potentially incriminating questions. Simply say you have been advised not to answer questions.
3. Refuse Field sobriety test and Breathlizer test
4. Take the chemical test at the Police Station

pretty standard

 

[gimpy]

Cheese, let's clarify a couple of things. Unless laws have changed the "pbt" (portable breath test) that the officer asks you to blow in at the side of the road is not something you have to do or is required by law. The actual breathalyzer (old name)/intoxilyzer requested at the station is required by law. I don't think an attorney would ask or tell his client to voluntarily break the law by refusing to blow, but maybe they do.

Unless the laws have recently changed (and they may have), the suspect has to take the test that law enforcement offers, normally the intoxilyzer. I guess it is possible that if they request a blood draw, then the officer will have it done? I'm not sure about that and I don't know if the suspect would have to pay for it or not. I think but don't know if the officer can still or will file to have the driving privileges revoked.

 

[Cheesebeef]

You are the one lying about what I said. I never once defended Keim. Only disagreed with your judgement of wanting him fired immediately. You are the one LYING. Show where I defended him please. Stop being such a judgemental prick. People do have a different opinion than you & that doesn't make them blind.

Are you serious? Let's go through the thread. You liked TJ's post#13 that was about people overreacting to DUIs. Then liked Solar7's post 22 and 27 complaining that DUIs rules are too strict. You still hadn't actually said anything yourself on the thread... just supported posts that were posturing/defending what Keim did wasn't so bad.

Then we get to your first actual post of the thread. Post #41. Did you condemn him for his actions? Even say he needs a slap on the wrist? Or maybe needs to get help? Nope. You did none of the above. Your simply replied to someone else's post that Keim was one of the best GMs in the league.

Next, in post 101 from Hollywood, you liked another defense of Keim where it was even opined he he might have actually been high on paint fumes from a nearby house!

So, so far through multiple pages, you've liked a bunch of posts finding excuses for Keim, called him one of the best GMs in the league but actually said NOTHING about what he actually did. And the silence there is DEAFENING.

Then, in post 199, you started defending people being able to drive with 2-3 drinks and started into some whataboutism BS with cellphones to take the stink of Keim. Then, in post 214, before we knew the police report was wrong, you were actually defending him about lying to the cops.

That's all you've done on this thread... either supported rationalizations/excuses for his behavior, complimented Keim and vociferously attack other posters who condemned his actions. When you do all that yet never say ONE BAD WORD ABOUT WHAT KEIM DID, you sure as hell are defending his ass, clear as day.

It doesn't take a genius to figure that out... or a judgmental prick.

 

[Cheesebeef]

Cheese, let's clarify a couple of things. Unless laws have changed the "pbt" (portable breath test) that the officer asks you to blow in at the side of the road is not something you have to do or is required by law. The actual breathalyzer (old name)/intoxilyzer requested at the station is required by law. I don't think an attorney would ask or tell his client to voluntarily break the law by refusing to blow, but maybe they do.

Unless the laws have recently changed (and they may have), the suspect has to take the test that law enforcement offers, normally the intoxilyzer. I guess it is possible that if they request a blood draw, then the officer will have it done? I'm not sure about that and I don't know if the suspect would have to pay for it or not. I think but don't know if the officer can still or will file to have the driving privileges revoked.

eh... willing to admit I'm wrong on that stuff.

 

[Bert]

I didn't know you could refuse the tests either. I'd always been told if you refuse the feild sobriety tests you automatically get the DUI.

You're telling me I coulda been driving drunk this whole time? LoL sorry bad joke, someone needs to ratchet down the tension in this thread tho.

 

[Cheesebeef]

Sure does sound like you want his career ended. But I'm the one that's lying. Smh.

Okay... maybe you're not lying. maybe you've just smacked your head one too many times and knocked your brain out of whack.

Here's was my statement: Keim shouldn't be the figurehead for a huge sports team.

That's not saying his career should be over, unless you think there are only 30 TOTAL JOBS IN 30 FRONT OFFICES AROUND THE LEAGUE. Is that what you think? That being a figurehead/GM is the ONLY CAREER KEIM CAN HAVE? You realize there are probably HUNDREDS of jobs in front offices around the league, and hundreds more as an executive position in college, but the job he has right now is the TOP of those. That doesn't mean I think his career should be ended. It means he shouldn't be trusted to be THE executive/THE face of a franchise. That guy needs to be knocked down a peg and rebuild himself and get help before he can rise to the top of the mountain again.

This really isn't that hard to understand.

I get it... you have a grudge against me. You think I'm a judgmental prick because I consistently disagree with your takes like John Brown is better than Antonio Brown, Carson Palmer is better than Big Ben, our WR group last year was strong... or Brandon Williams and Bethel could easily man the 2nd and 3rd CB spots... and then you're proven wrong, time after time after time after time. But just because you make yourself look foolish there repeatedly, doesn't mean you get to distort what I'm saying or try to act like you're not defending a two-time DUI offender. Because that's exactly what you've done on this thread.

 

[mojorizen7]

Or Phoenix drivers in general who for some reason don’t know how to drive correctly.

Because they're all from California, Illinois, NY, Ohio, Texas etc.
You get the idea.

 

[Dan H]

Ask your middle brother about that. I think any attorney familiar with DUI law would tell you that it is NEVER to your benefit to take the tests. (And Keim DID take some, but it looked as though he refused the ones that could've been affected by a bad knee.)

There has probably never in history been a case where a cop has said, "You know what, I pulled you over because I thought you were DUI, but you did great on the tests so I guess I was wrong - you're free to go!"

I've been pulled over multiple times (long ago, in Georgia), told that I had been "swerving all over the road," and "failed all the field sobriety tests" - then blew a 0.0 since I had not been drinking. I'll tell you some even crazier stories some time.

...dave

I worked an 18-hour shift one day, ended up about 2 hours from home. Was flying high on coffee and Red Bulls . . . I'm going down this two-lane state highway, when all of a sudden these headlights appear from way back, and they are booking up on me. My company car had a GPS nanny on it, so I never sped because I hated getting the stupid e-mails from HR, so I didn't pay much concern to it and figured the idiot would just go around when he figured out I wasn't going to speed up.

Well, he didn't, he had his brights on, and he rides my ass for about two miles down this road. Keep in mind, two-lane road, fields on both sides, not really anywhere for me to pull over and let him pass. But he did have a dashed line so he could have gone around at any time. There is literally zero traffic. Right about the time I'm starting to get annoyed at this guy, what do you know but his bubble lights come on - unmarked cop car.

So at this point I've proceed from annoyed to pissed. I pull out my license and all my company car information and wait for Smokey to stroll on up to the side.

He walks up to the window and says, "Morning. Pulled you over because you were weaving all over the road. You been drinking?"

At this point I lost it. I said "No, I've been working my ass off since 8 yesterday morning, I'm ready to get home and sleep. If I was weaving it was because I kept checking my rearview looking at the jackass with his brights on riding my bumper."

He kinda blinks for a second and says, "You sure you haven't been drinking?"

I'm a little calmer at this point, having vented my spleen a bit, and I say, "Sir, I don't drink, period, but I'd have to be pretty damn stupid to drink and drive in my company car since I'd lose my freaking job. So, no."

He takes my license and registration and goes back to his car. Meanwhile I'm sitting there shifting from mad to "well, poo, there goes my overtime to pay for a stupid-ass ticket so this idiot can make his quota." He comes back up, hands me stuff and says, "Drive safe and get home, now."

Now, if he'd asked me to do a field test, I probably would have done it just to be on my way. But as tired and sore as I was, I'm not sure I would have been able to pass it. Thankfully I enunciated my displeasure clearly enough that he could tell I was sober as a judge.

 

[RON_IN_OC]

It is not statistically much more dangerous. They are practically equal. About a third of all fatal traffic accidents involve speeding and about a third of all fatal traffic accidents involve drinking and driving. You act like speeding is 10 times worse. Not sure why people feel the need to diminish the seriousness of drinking and driving.

I don't think it's diminishing D&D, as much as asking if someone get's a speeding ticket for driving way over the limit, there isn't the same outcry as D&D. The fatal statistics are similar and they are both stupid choices, but only one of them causes a thread like this one.

 

[MadCardDisease]

eh... willing to admit I'm wrong on that stuff.

I thought you would know this as I always assumed that you were a regular down at the station back in your college days.

 

[NJCardFan]

It’s more the basic stuff that grinds my gears. People not realizing they can go right on a red. People that think it’s okay to go left in an intersection 2-3 seconds after yellow turns red. Generally people that don’t understand how to merge and cut across 3 lanes at once. I don’t have road rage but I can understand how people lose it.

You ought to ride with me in my RV. I've lost count how many times cars have pulled out in front of me, cut me off, decided to make that right on red when I'm only a few car lengths away, pulled in front of me and slammed on the brakes, etc. I haven't hit anyone yet but I've come close dozens of times and if there is a time someone pulls out in front of me or decides to go from the stop sign when I don't have time to stop, believe you me I'm not going to be the one needing someone to notify next of kin.


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[Brian in Mesa]

Any good lawyer will tell you:

1. pull over safely an be polite to the officer
2. Don't lie but don't answer any potentially incriminating questions. Simply say you have been advised not to answer questions.
3. Refuse Field sobriety test and Breathlizer test
4. Take the chemical test at the Police Station

pretty standard

This could all be avoided by doing the following:

Don't drink and drive.

 

[BillsCarnage]

I didn't know you could refuse the tests either. I'd always been told if you refuse the feild sobriety tests you automatically get the DUI.

They still have to prove you've been driving under the influence. Refusal just gets you a free ride to the station.

 

[oaken1]

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nothing in that video looks that bad... cop said clearly he pulled him over because he thought SK was trying to avoid him...damn,..I would have been pulled over 1000 times if that were a legit criteria.
no stumbling, no slurring, no attitude... and his pulling over a couple times could be explained by someone having a conversation via text...I pull over to read and reply to texts...

if it had been an hour or so since he last drank then going in for the blood test is the smart move

 

[oaken1]

really? I know Ouchie and I were big fans in the heyday, questioned him during a couple questionable years then went gaga over him when he pulled off the The Rosen One. Can't speak for others on that though.

depends on when he had the drinks. if he chugged the last half of a beer right before he left the party he could blow a 2.0... but take some time, go get a blood test...and he tests at .003

 

[oaken1]

This could all be avoided by doing the following:

Don't drink and drive.

I have been pulled over for dui when I hadnt had a drink in months. one doesnt have to be drinking in order for a cop to think you are drunk.

 

[Dback Jon]

I have been pulled over for dui when I hadnt had a drink in months. one doesnt have to be drinking in order for a cop to think you are drunk.

 

[Cheesebeef]

that's great and all... but it has nothing to do with this conversation because Keim admitted to drinking and making "inexcusable actions".

 

[Brian in Mesa]

I don't think it's diminishing D&D, as much as asking if someone get's a speeding ticket for driving way over the limit, there isn't the same outcry as D&D. The fatal statistics are similar and they are both stupid choices, but only one of them causes a thread like this one.

The reason for this type of thread is because for decades now many of us have been affected by drinking and driving and have worked in some way to increase awareness of the hazards related to it. We've lost friends or family members to drunk drivers or been hit by a drunk driver personally. There have been many campaigns, groups, slogans, etc aimed at reducing the number of drunks on the road. For all the effort it seems like many in society still just don't care. They act like the people driving drunk are the real victims and the cops are just out to get them. With arrests like this, they immediately question whether alcohol was even a factor, compare it to other crimes, and do everything they can to basically say it's not really that big of a deal. They share what to do in case you get pulled over and have been drinking instead of being adamant about not drinking and driving. People talk all day long about it being "inexcusable and unacceptable" but those are just tough words. They don't want real consequences and are much more in favor of continuing to slap people on the wrists for getting DUI's. This was a big deal to me when I was in high school and lost a friend to a drunk driver. Sadly, not much has really changed in 30 plus years. We're sitting here having the same revolving arguments. I imagine if there were a decades long movement aimed at drivers who drove too fast and nothing much ever seemed to change then we'd have threads on speeders like we do on drunks.

 

[Shane]

Just because it wasn't on THAT video doesn't mean that Keim didn't say he was the head of security etc.. It also highly unlikely that he registered on an HGN test if he ONLY had 2 beers 90 minutes prior especially at his size... Sooo IMO he was clearly lying. But just an opinion based on experience.