Arizona Cardinals offseason thread 2022

[Stout]

Edmonds replaced by Eno
Peters and Philips will see a snap increase for Lawrence, Fotu and Dogbe. But I expect them to add someone here too.

So losing players without replacement and hoping against hope that the players that weren't good enough are suddenly good enough. Got it. Adding someone there is likely a Dogbe-level player because they don't have the high draft picks to burn on this lesser priority. I mean, I iike Dogbe and players like him for depth, but that's all they are--depth. You hope players like you listed get better and develop, but not many of them are going to get better enough to plug holes like you want them to plug.

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

No. These replacements can be better.

But even if we aren't better that's fine. We were very good. We failed due to injuries and poor depth.

If we failed due, in part, to poor depth doesn’t that make it less likely that said depth will be better now that they’re the first string, have increased playing time or increased responsibilities?

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

Nuk replaces it. Nuk had less than 600 yards last year.

That’s a good point. Hadn’t thought of that.

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

Obviously we need another WR.

He asked if Moore replaces Kirk then who replaces Moore's yards. But we have 700 missing yards from Nuk to come back. So no need to replace Moore.

Nuk, Moore, Ertz, Conner, Maxx + another WR will be more than enough.

still missing 800-900 yards from Edmonds. Find it unlikely eno/ward is capable of making that up.

 

[juza76]

still missing 800-900 yards from Edmonds. Find it unlikely eno/ward is capable of making that up.

As much as i like Edmonds i don't think is hard finding an adequate replacement
How many later rounds or udfa rbs can have impact from day one
Everything depends on offense, line, if we improve our running blocking i see a later draft pick having 600/700 total yards
And u can have 3 rbs sharing carries and keeping fresh legs
So u can match Edmonds numbers with two young guys
Now the most important step is improving the line
I see many here suggesting cb wr edge, but Imo first thing to do is improve our line
Problems started after losing pugh Hudson and Justin Murray, the depth was atrocious
Murray with an adequate line is basically a top 5 qb in the league

 

[Dayman]

still missing 800-900 yards from Edmonds. Find it unlikely eno/ward is capable of making that up.

Also missing 18.5 sacks (45% of the season total) from the departed players on defense.

 

[juza76]

Also missing 18.5 sacks (45% of the season total) from the departed players on defense.

And what about when we lost Chandler Jones and the team from the point racked up ton of sacks
A player go a new come in
We can't just focus on what we can miss but in what we can gain
Let's wait July before jumping to conclusions

 

[BritCard]

Also missing 18.5 sacks (45% of the season total) from the departed players on defense.

Well, 5 of those came in one freak game.

The remaining 13.5 are easily replaced with what we have on the roster already. Gardeck/Kennard can easily replace the 5.5 remaining from CJ.

Collins can replace the 4 Hicks got.

And literally anyone can replace the 3 from Jordan Philips.

 

[Stout]

Well, 5 of those came in one freak game.

The remaining 13.5 are easily replaced with what we have on the roster already. Gardeck/Kennard can easily replace the 5.5 remaining from CJ.

Collins can replace the 4 Hicks got.

And literally anyone can replace the 3 from Jordan Philips.

You lost me completely with this delusional statement.

 

[PACardsFan]

So in other words you want everyone that doesn't toe the Cards party line or follow your sunshine and daisies propaganda to just shut up and not post anything on the board. What a boring place that would make this with pretty much no real football talk. Good luck.

Wouldn’t be boring at all. What’s boring is the constant complaining about a team that won 11 games last year & would have won 13 or more if not being hit with critical injuries. And they haven’t even been through FA & the draft yet. I find it pitiful that a fan base is so critical & not a single game has been played this year.

 

[PACardsFan]

We have 4-5 extreme pollyannas on this board and every once in a while they decide to whine about people who don't share their opinion. They also like to flat-out lie about other posters with "hot takes" about things like KM and claiming people are happy with losing or can't handle being wrong when we win. They need to get over it.

I’ve seen a LOT more losing with this franchise than you have, but I refuse to go into ANY season with the negative mindset that you possess. And that’s year in and year out. Look, when we stink, I am fully on board for change. No one was as critical of the Wilks regime than I was. And no one was as critical of Bill Bidwill when he deserved it, which was OFTEN. But, I am not going to be critical of a team that has improved by 3 games each of the last 3 years.

 

[PJ1]

Edmonds replaced by Eno
Peters and Philips will see a snap increase for Lawrence, Fotu and Dogbe. But I expect them to add someone here too.

A dangerous plan to say the least. Eno is not close to Edmonds. The DL is just bad. This plan makes us worse for sure.

 

[Krangodnzr]

Also - find it interesting that Hump’s contract still hasn’t been restructured.. again wishful thinking of me that a trade is in the word being he could easily be cut since only like $4mm of his $19mm contract is guaranteed as of today. (Who we’d replace him w have no clue.. but still odd we are in April now and it hasn’t been restructured if we wanted him past this year or if we wanted to free up significant cap through a restructure)

Cutting Humphries would be a top five worst move the Cardinals could make.

The most hilarious part of your post is where you admit you don't know who they would replace him with!

 

[BritCard]

You lost me completely with this delusional statement.

What delusional about Gardeck and Kennard replacing 5.5 sacks outside of game 1? They both have 7 sack seasons in their history. You think they can't replace 5.5 sacks between them?

This is the kind of thing people were saying when Jones tore his bicep and then Reddick had 12.5 sacks in 11 starts.

 

[DaHilg]

Cutting Humphries would be a top five worst move the Cardinals could make.

The most hilarious part of your post is where you admit you don't know who they would replace him with!

Cutting Hump would not be a mistake if we somehow were able to trade up in the draft and get one of the top OTs or perhaps had a trade in the word with another team for an OT. He’s below average 100%, and would have been replaceable by a number of free agents had we been aggressive in March. $19mm of new cap is a ton for getting rid of a bottom 16 starter at LT.

 

[BritCard]

I’ve seen a LOT more losing with this franchise than you have, but I refuse to go into ANY season with the negative mindset that you possess. And that’s year in and year out. Look, when we stink, I am fully on board for change. No one was as critical of the Wilks regime than I was. And no one was as critical of Bill Bidwill when he deserved it, which was OFTEN. But, I am not going to be critical of a team that has improved by 3 games each of the last 3 years.

Exactly. Until they give me something to be critical of I choose to see the potential of a team that had 11 wins last year.

There will be enough negativity to go around if it's required. Why spend all off season being angry about something that hasn't happened?

You would think they would learn considering they spent all last year doing the same thing and were completely wrong.

 

[Stout]

Wouldn’t be boring at all. What’s boring is the constant complaining about a team that won 11 games last year & would have won 13 or more if not being hit with critical injuries. And they haven’t even been through FA & the draft yet. I find it pitiful that a fan base is so critical & not a single game has been played this year.

So nobody's allowed to say a single critical thing until the season starts? Yeah, that's how message boards work lol

 

[Stout]

What delusional about Gardeck and Kennard replacing 5.5 sacks outside of game 1? They both have 7 sack seasons in their history. You think they can't replace 5.5 sacks between them?

This is the kind of thing people were saying when Jones tore his bicep and then Reddick had 12.5 sacks in 11 starts.

Moving the goal posts, are we? Even your total of 11 is less than your original delusional statement of 13.5. Just stop. This is embarrassing.

 

[BritCard]

A dangerous plan to say the least. Eno is not close to Edmonds. The DL is just bad. This plan makes us worse for sure.

Well, I'd say in year 2 Edmonds wasn't close to Edmonds in year 4.

Eno played his first meaningful snaps last year. Kliff has said how impressed they have been with his work rate and improvement. What's the point of drafting guys if they put the work in and improve and you don't give them a shot?

To be honest. I'm less concerned about our run game than I otherwise would be because I think it's limited by a poor run blocking O line anyway. It's always going to be something we manage rather than lean on until this generation of O line is replaced in the next few years.

And if Eno (or Ward) doesn't work out in camp there is always a long line of RB's waiting to be hired. I also expect they will pick up a 6th round RB too.

 

[BritCard]

Moving the goal posts, are we? Even your total of 11 is less than your original delusional statement of 13.5. Just stop. This is embarrassing.

I mean, I'm not sure how that's moving the goal posts considering the very first line of my original post covered that very point.

I didn't bother mentioning Jordan Philips, because it's Jordan Philips. If people want to pretend his production isn't instantly replaceable I'm not the one being delusional.

 

[Krangodnzr]

I mean, I'm not sure how that's moving the goal posts considering the very first line of my original post covered that very point.

I didn't bother mentioning Jordan Philips, because it's Jordan Philips. If people want to pretend his production isn't instantly replaceable I'm not the one being delusional.

Remember how most of the board were bitching about how unproductive CJ was most of the year?

LOL the histrionics on this board is hilarious. I know you haven't been here that long, but it goes all the way back to the beginning.

 

[BritCard]

Remember how most of the board were bitching about how unproductive CJ was most of the year?

LOL the histrionics on this board is hilarious. I know you haven't been here that long, but it goes all the way back to the beginning.

It was pretty clear pre bicep injury that Jones looked cooked. Which is why I wanted to trade him last off season.

Admittedly after Game 1 I thought I was wrong, but it turned out facing a hobbled Lewan was all that was behind that performance and I thought he was pretty shocking the rest of the year. I was done with him after the Carolina game and that play I mentioned a couple of days ago where he allowed a walk in TD by tackling the wrong man despite having a clear sight of the ball.

If we were replacing 2019 CJ I'd be more concerned (although that sack production came on an enormous 143 blitzes that season vs 78 combined the last 2 years).

But what he gave us last year really isn;t hard to replace from a production standpoint. Although it's true there are leadership and game planning aspects we will lose, but he's never been a guy that was highly doubled like some of the best in the league. So it's not like he was often occupying 2 men and now we won't.

 

[PJ1]

I mean, I'm not sure how that's moving the goal posts considering the very first line of my original post covered that very point.

I didn't bother mentioning Jordan Philips, because it's Jordan Philips. If people want to pretend his production isn't instantly replaceable I'm not the one being delusional.

Like you are pretending Edmonds production is easily replaced.

 

[BritCard]

Like you are pretending Edmonds production is easily replaced.

Well, I think all running back production is easily replaced so this should be no great surprise!

For what it's worth I think Eno will get a shot as will Ward, and I expect we will add someone in the draft. But it wouldn't surprise me if come game 1 there is another vet on the roster.

Phillip Lindsay is very Edmonds like for example.

 

[PACardsFan]

So nobody's allowed to say a single critical thing until the season starts? Yeah, that's how message boards work lol

Do what you want. It’s just overly redundant to hear you bitch and moan. Some of us have waited our entire lives for the Cardinals to draft a young franchise QB. We finally do, and he proceeds to win OROY & 2 pro bowl berths in his first 3 years. And what do we hear from you? Comparison to Lindley in a SINGLE playoff game. Really?