Arizona Cardinals offseason thread 2022

[Krangodnzr]

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It was pretty clear pre bicep injury that Jones looked cooked. Which is why I wanted to trade him last off season.

Admittedly after Game 1 I thought I was wrong, but it turned out facing a hobbled Lewan was all that was behind that performance and I thought he was pretty shocking the rest of the year. I was done with him after the Carolina game and that play I mentioned a couple of days ago where he allowed a walk in TD by tackling the wrong man despite having a clear sight of the ball.

If we were replacing 2019 CJ I'd be more concerned (although that sack production came on an enormous 143 blitzes that season vs 78 combined the last 2 years).

But what he gave us last year really isn;t hard to replace from a production standpoint. Although it's true there are leadership and game planning aspects we will lose, but he's never been a guy that was highly doubled like some of the best in the league. So it's not like he was often occupying 2 men and now we won't.

I echo the sentiments of others that I probably would have thrown the bank at Reddick. He is familiar with the team and has proven production now.

Other than that, there isn't a clear cut great answer out there. Maybe a trade, but teams aren't exactly hemorrhaging pass rushers.

Where I depart from the histrionics from some on this board is that I don't want the Cardinals to make a move just to make a move. Most of the players out there are total fools gold and will end up with burdensome contracts.

 

[DVontel]

Phillip Lindsay is very Edmonds like for example.

If Lindsay was actually usable in the passing game then sure.

 

[slanidrac16]

Regardless of what the Cards do in the upcoming draft, because one cannot fully depend on rookies especially when one is trying to improve, between then and now, it's imperative they sign a WR and a pass rusher if not for depth alone

A WR should have been signed by now. We could have signed a young and fast WR who could have been here for the next 3-4 years. Then add another in the draft and suddenly your Wr room becomes a strength with depth.

Instead we will sign an older Wr to a one year “ hope you got one more year left” guy.
The thought of Green or Jones is disgusting to me. I’d rather take a chance with a guy like Fuller who is a potential home run guy.

 

[BritCard]

A WR should have been signed by now. We could have signed a young and fast WR who could have been here for the next 3-4 years. Then add another in the draft and suddenly your Wr room becomes a strength with depth.

Instead we will sign an older Wr to a one year “ hope you got one more year left” guy.
The thought of Green or Jones is disgusting to me. I’d rather take a chance with a guy like Fuller who is a potential home run guy.

The only WR's on the market under 28 were Kirk, MVS, Gage, Zay Jones, Chark, Trequan Smith, Juju, Zach Pascal, Demarcus Robinson, Treadwell, Auden Tate and James Washington.

It depends where you draw the line at fast but the only guys there under 4.4 are MVS, Chark and Gage. MVS and Gage got $10m each despite never putting up big yardage. MVS hasn't broke 700, Gage hasn't broken 800. And Chark got $12m with his injury history.

Are any of those guys WR2 or worth that money if we are going to draft another? Chark is probably the only true WR2 there if he stays healthy.

I like Gage. Wouldn't have minded adding him. I think he has more upside. But either way, it's not like FA was teaming with young fast WR's.

 

[slanidrac16]

The only WR's on the market under 28 were Kirk, MVS, Gage, Zay Jones, Chark, Trequan Smith, Juju, Zach Pascal, Demarcus Robinson, Treadwell, Auden Tate and James Washington.

It depends where you draw the line at fast but the only guys there under 4.4 are MVS, Chark and Gage. MVS and Gage got $10m each despite never putting up big yardage. MVS hasn't broke 700, Gage hasn't broken 800. And Chark got $12m with his injury history.

Are any of those guys WR2 or worth that money if we are going to draft another? Chark is probably the only true WR2 there if he stays healthy.

I like Gage. Wouldn't have minded adding him. I think he has more upside. But either way, it's not like FA was teaming with young fast WR's.

Any one of the guys you mentioned could have been easily signed with a little imagination.
Wilson is 26 and signed for 3 years 22m. He had 600 yards on 45 catches and 6 td’s. He’s a guy that could be on the cusp of coming into his own and is much better than Mr. Nobody.
Is 7.5m to rich for your blood? A guy that is 6’2”, young and fast? If Moore is going to “ replace” Kirks production imagine adding Wilson to replace Moores production. That’s building a Wr room.
Of course you’re going to knock Wilson and try to convince the world it’s a much smarter “ value” of signing Green. And in 2023 we’ll be in the same position.

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

As much as i like Edmonds i don't think is hard finding an adequate replacement
How many later rounds or udfa rbs can have impact from day one
Everything depends on offense, line, if we improve our running blocking i see a later draft pick having 600/700 total yards
And u can have 3 rbs sharing carries and keeping fresh legs
So u can match Edmonds numbers with two young guys
Now the most important step is improving the line
I see many here suggesting cb wr edge, but Imo first thing to do is improve our line
Problems started after losing pugh Hudson and Justin Murray, the depth was atrocious
Murray with an adequate line is basically a top 5 qb in the league

If you want to improve line, receiver, edge, and cornerback that means that rb you expect to step in and generate 600-700 yards as a rookie is coming in the 6th or 7th round. Tell me how many 6th or 7th round rookie TV’s the cards have drafted that generated 600-700 yards their first season…

Some of you make finding vying average-to-above-average players sound like they’re available on trees and all keim (KEIM, mind you) has to do is pluck them in the draft (the DRAFT, not Keim’s cozy place).

I think you too easily dismiss 800-900 yards walking out the door.

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

Wouldn’t be boring at all. What’s boring is the constant complaining about a team that won 11 games last year & would have won 13 or more if not being hit with critical injuries. And they haven’t even been through FA & the draft yet. I find it pitiful that a fan base is so critical & not a single game has been played this year.

But reading people whining about other People’s football takes is sooooo exciting

 

[Jetstream Green]

A WR should have been signed by now. We could have signed a young and fast WR who could have been here for the next 3-4 years. Then add another in the draft and suddenly your Wr room becomes a strength with depth.

Instead we will sign an older Wr to a one year “ hope you got one more year left” guy.
The thought of Green or Jones is disgusting to me. I’d rather take a chance with a guy like Fuller who is a potential home run guy.

I simply do not trust Fuller, even less than Julio Jones for staying on the field. It is what it is and there are not many options but the way the NFL is bending the cap for much higher signings, I see no reason why the Cards cannot sign back Green and add Julio Jones. Alone, those guys might be average now but when on the field together with Hopkins they would be a defensive nightmare. Then in the draft I would still eye any WR the Cards covet which might slip to the late first pick or into the second round. I am not a huge fan though of going WR and think the Cards have neglected the DL/OL for far too long, but if a guy like Jamison Williams falls to 23 I would pull the trigger since this has become a WR league
Green and Jones would be a plug and play and that's what a young QB needs. You give me Hopkins, Jones, Green, Moore, Williams and Wesley (yeah, we need six for Kliff's schemes and for depth), and you can go to war... while that young WR will learn from the best on how to excel

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

Cutting Humphries would be a top five worst move the Cardinals could make.

The most hilarious part of your post is where you admit you don't know who they would replace him with!

You don’t see the irony of this statement considering you are okay with letting go two receivers, our best passrusher, and a rb whilst pushing the “free agency and draft aren’t over yet” rhetoric where you literally “don’t know who they replace [them] with!” - ?

 

[BritCard]

Any one of the guys you mentioned could have been easily signed with a little imagination.
Wilson is 26 and signed for 3 years 22m. He had 600 yards on 45 catches and 6 td’s. He’s a guy that could be on the cusp of coming into his own and is much better than Mr. Nobody.
Is 7.5m to rich for your blood? A guy that is 6’2”, young and fast? If Moore is going to “ replace” Kirks production imagine adding Wilson to replace Moores production. That’s building a Wr room.
Of course you’re going to knock Wilson and try to convince the world it’s a much smarter “ value” of signing Green. And in 2023 we’ll be in the same position.

Cedric Wilson runs 4.55. I don't consider that fast by NFL standards.

 

[Ronin]

Cedric Wilson runs 4.55. I don't consider that fast by NFL standards.

Jerry Rice ran a 4.71.

 

[BritCard]

Jerry Rice ran a 4.71.

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[AZ Native]

Jerry Rice ran a 4.71.

Denfenses are faster now.

 

[Ronin]

Denfenses are faster now.

Point taken.

 

[Jetstream Green]

Denfenses are faster now.

Also not allowed to do much to a WR, and run around like chickens with their heads cut off attempting to follow complex zone coverages... sorry, I am a Cardinal fan and that is often what I see lol

 

[Ronin]

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[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

Remember how most of the board were bitching about how unproductive CJ was most of the year?

LOL the histrionics on this board is hilarious. I know you haven't been here that long, but it goes all the way back to the beginning.

Hyperbole? Lol. There’s not even a thread dedicated to this. And it’s not so much the loss of jones people are concerned about but the fact that there’s no bona fide passrusher on the roster at present and it’s not an easy role to fill.

 

[PDXChris]

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Resign Green on the cheap and trade for Cooks for a 3rd! Cooks has two voidable years after this, so his $12 million base this year could be reduced easily.

Hopkins
Cooks
Moore
Green
Wesley

Then go CB and Edge in the 1st two rounds.

 

[Ronin]

Remember how most of the board were bitching about how unproductive CJ was most of the year?

LOL the histrionics on this board is hilarious. I know you haven't been here that long, but it goes all the way back to the beginning.

Hi. I am a new mod to the board. I think we could do without the "b" word. This is a PG board remember? Thanks in advance.

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

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Resign Green on the cheap and trade for Cooks for a 3rd! Cooks has two voidable years after this, so his $12 million base this year could be reduced easily.

Hopkins
Cooks
Moore
Green
Wesley

Then go CB and Edge in the 1st two rounds.

Would definitely kick tires on cooks

 

[BritCard]

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He reminds me of Byron Murphy so much. I'd rather not go through that again and have it cost a 1st this time.

 

[RON_IN_OC]

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Resign Green on the cheap and trade for Cooks for a 3rd! Cooks has two voidable years after this, so his $12 million base this year could be reduced easily.

Hopkins
Cooks
Moore
Green
Wesley

Then go CB and Edge in the 1st two rounds.

Make it a 2023 3rd.

 

[slanidrac16]

Cedric Wilson runs 4.55. I don't consider that fast by NFL standards.

Watch film. There’s fast and then there’s plays fast. However, He ran 4.40 at the combine. Guess he’s getting up in years at 26.

 

[Jetstream Green]

Watch film. There’s fast and then there’s plays fast. However, He ran 4.40 at the combine. Guess he’s getting up in years at 26.

There is also 40 shorts speed and football speed... so the combine is not law

 

[slanidrac16]

There is also 40 shorts speed and football speed... so the combine is not law

And there’s Malik Turned…