Arizona State Basketball Thread 2008-2009

[Mulli]

I am amazed and delighted that ASU bball is relevant enough to merit such a discussion. I will admit that ASU has at long last joined the group of teams that have benefitted from bad calls.

 

[Mr. Boldin]

because if it wasn't for the selection committee being the old chaps club, UA wouldnt have been in the tournament last year and ASU would have. Of course the Pac-10 would apologize to UofA for calling a moving screen on a....uhhhh...moving screen.

You are something else, turing this into a debate from last year. Obviously, ASU didnt learn from their scheduling mistakes last year and they would be nearing the bubble had things went differently last weekend.

Again, you ignore SOS, RPI, and qaulity wins, but who cares about those ASU finished higher in the Pac-10!!!

If you want that moving screen to be called consistently then I feel sorry for you. That was a pathetic call at the end of a game, just like all the other calls mentioned in this thread.

 

[Skkorpion]

To make matters worse, the football officiating is right there with basketball. I can't even watch the games anymore

Ryan, you're right. The football officiating is beyond horrible.

 

[Skkorpion]

In the end, what's funny is Russ now bitching about the officiating when his coach and his team have benefitted from it more than any other team for the last three years.

Yeah, UCLA's defense is bad this year but their offense is good. What garbage.

 

[TheKid_1]

Who cares about all this crap?! ASU is in the midst of one of it's greatest seasons ever, and are about to take on the Northern Mexico C.C. Rats this weekend! Go devils, and I think this game again is going to come down to the final few minutes. Can't wait.

 

[Russ Smith]

In the end, what's funny is Russ now bitching about the officiating when his coach and his team have benefitted from it more than any other team for the last three years.

Yeah, UCLA's defense is bad this year but their offense is good. What garbage.

wrong board but can you cite one shred of evidence to support your rant?

I already gave you the link that will prove statistically UCLA's offense is not the problem it's the defense. Howland has said the same thing publicly.

Pac 10 games only UCLA is 2nd to UW in scoring, 5th in scoring defense. Doesn't count the out of conference blowouts, just Pac 10 games. UCLA is FIRST in the Pac 10 in FG% offense, 6th in FG% defense. UCLA is first in 3 point FG% 7th in 3 point FG% defense.

How can you possibly claim the problem with UCLA is the offense. You may think it's boring, sometimes I agree with you, but the problem with UCLA is the defense this year. They lost their 2 best defenders and 3 best rebounders that is why the defense isn't nearly as good this year.

 

[PoolBoy]

First off, nice job changing the subject to another completely unrelated matter.

Second, we went over this ad nauseam last March and if your "good old boys" conspiracy theory had any merit then fellow members of that club like your Orangemen and two-time defending champion Florida would not have been left on the wrong side of the bubble with ASU.

Third, you're the only person involved in this argument refusing to acknowledge that poor officiating has helped their team's cause. The rest of us have brought up instances where poor officiating has hurt our team's chance to win and other times where it has been beneficial.

Sorry, but it's impossible have an adult argument with somebody who does not believe his team has ever been the benefactor of a poor call. Especially ones as egregious as the last few week's.

Syracuse is not in the good old boys club, we don't get respect. The year we won the national championship we were left out of the top 25 to start the season, we were terribly snubbed the last 2 years, and some people like Skkorp refuse to recognize Boeheim as a great HOF coach.

And i agree that the UCLA charge (i immediately turned to my friend and said it was a block) was a big call that got the attention, but UCLA got some huge officiating breaks early in the first half. The play that UCLA should be more concerned about that lost them the game was knocking the ball out of Kuksiks hands on the inbounds play.

I'm not saying these calls weren't wrong or didn't help, I'm saying its ridiculous to hint that ASU and UW are the only ones getting the calls just because they are on top of the Pac-10. And they did not decide the ASU games, except for potentially the UA game, but it WAS an offensive foul.

 

[PoolBoy]

You are something else, turing this into a debate from last year. Obviously, ASU didnt learn from their scheduling mistakes last year and they would be nearing the bubble had things went differently last weekend.

Again, you ignore SOS, RPI, and qaulity wins, but who cares about those ASU finished higher in the Pac-10!!!

If you want that moving screen to be called consistently then I feel sorry for you. That was a pathetic call at the end of a game, just like all the other calls mentioned in this thread.

I'm not ignoring anything. Who cares about SOS if all you did was lose to those teams.

Great Job playing
#4 kansas- loss
#3 memphis- loss
#11 stanford -loss loss
#21 wsu-win win
#2 UCLA- loss loss
25% win percentage against those teams....
ASU played
#12 Xavier- win big
#11 Stanford- win loss
#21 wsu- loss loss
#2 UCLA- loss loss
33% win percentage against those ranked teams....

ASU won the head to head both times and went 9-9 in the conference, while UofA went 8-10 in the pac (I saved my "ONLY" argument for last)

If thats not looking at a Resume by the team name then i dont know what is. I'm over last year, but don't bring it up like you didn't get a break, and don't act like UofA gets hosed by the conference or the NCAA

 

[Russ Smith]

Syracuse is not in the good old boys club, we don't get respect. The year we won the national championship we were left out of the top 25 to start the season, we were terribly snubbed the last 2 years, and some people like Skkorp refuse to recognize Boeheim as a great HOF coach.

And i agree that the UCLA charge (i immediately turned to my friend and said it was a block) was a big call that got the attention, but UCLA got some huge officiating breaks early in the first half. The play that UCLA should be more concerned about that lost them the game was knocking the ball out of Kuksiks hands on the inbounds play.

I'm not saying these calls weren't wrong or didn't help, I'm saying its ridiculous to hint that ASU and UW are the only ones getting the calls just because they are on top of the Pac-10. And they did not decide the ASU games, except for potentially the UA game, but it WAS an offensive foul.

FYI I agree with you the T on Aboya ended the game. My point was it's reasonable to assume if they didn't blow the charge call, that wouldn't have happened. Because UCLA was down after the bad call they picked up fullcourt on the inbounds. ASU had to call a timeout because a player got trapped. that's why they were inbounding on the side. Normally UCLA doesn't contest that inbounds but because of the score and time left, they were picking up going for a steal, and Aboya brainfarted and got the T. Dumb play by Aboya, ended the game, but likely never happened if the earlier call had been correct.

I said it the first time around, as far as I'm concerned the 2 best players on the floor in the ASU/UCLA games has been Harden and Pendergraph, ASU is very good. they have IMHO the best defense in the conference(USC is good too).

 

[Mr. Boldin]

I'm not ignoring anything. Who cares about SOS if all you did was lose to those teams.

Great Job playing
#4 kansas- loss
#3 memphis- loss
#11 stanford -loss loss
#21 wsu-win win
#2 UCLA- loss loss
25% win percentage against those teams....
ASU played
#12 Xavier- win big
#11 Stanford- win loss
#21 wsu- loss loss
#2 UCLA- loss loss
33% win percentage against those ranked teams....

ASU won the head to head both times and went 9-9 in the conference, while UofA went 8-10 in the pac (I saved my "ONLY" argument for last)

If thats not looking at a Resume by the team name then i dont know what is. I'm over last year, but don't bring it up like you didn't get a break, and don't act like UofA gets hosed by the conference or the NCAA

You are ignoring the criteria the selection committee looks at to determine at large bids, so yes you are ignoring something. If you want to point out wins and losses then fine, but that isnt the deciding factor in who the selection committee selects to play in the tournament, so your point is moot.

Clearly it is better to play good teams than it is to beat terrible teams, especially if you finish a game back in conference and with the same amount of wins overall as a team that didnt play anyone out of conference.

 

[ASUCHRIS]

You are ignoring the criteria the selection committee looks at to determine at large bids, so yes you are ignoring something. If you want to point out wins and losses then fine, but that isnt the deciding factor in who the selection committee selects to play in the tournament, so your point is moot.

Clearly it is better to play good teams than it is to beat terrible teams, especially if you finish a game back in conference and with the same amount of wins overall as a team that didnt play anyone out of conference.

This is a tired topic, but if you want to justify U of A's tourney selection last year by the NCAA's magical formula, by all means go ahead. The Cats proved how much they "belonged" in last years tourney with another quick exit. Thanks for stopping by.

 

[PoolBoy]

You are ignoring the criteria the selection committee looks at to determine at large bids, so yes you are ignoring something. If you want to point out wins and losses then fine, but that isnt the deciding factor in who the selection committee selects to play in the tournament, so your point is moot.

Clearly it is better to play good teams than it is to beat terrible teams, especially if you finish a game back in conference and with the same amount of wins overall as a team that didnt play anyone out of conference.

that makes no sense. at all. so if wins and losses doesn't decide, whats left? reputation. which is stupid.

 

[Mr. Boldin]

that makes no sense. at all. so if wins and losses doesn't decide, whats left? reputation. which is stupid.

Again you are missing the point and picking and choosing what to ignore and what not to. I said wins and losses arent the DECIDING factor in who the committee selects. If they were im sure ASU would have probably gotten in over UA because ASU swept them.

Like I said, you are ignoring the criteria used to select teams except for the one criteria that is in your favor.

 

[PoolBoy]

whats in UofA's "favor" other than losing to good teams, while we played a good team in our out of conference against #12 Xavier and smashed them by 22 while you lost your good out of conference games. if you can't recognize that you didn't deserve to be in the tourney not even counting your pathetic showing in the first round, then you are blind.

 

[TheKid_1]

Who are you rooting for tonight? UCLA or UW? I think it is better if UW wins for 2 reasons: 1) way better chance that USC beats UW than WSU beats UCLA on saturday; 2) UCLA still gets to plays the Oregon schools, so there is two automatics.

 

[TheKid_1]

Who are you rooting for tonight? UCLA or UW? I think it is better if UW wins for 2 reasons: 1) way better chance that USC beats UW than WSU beats UCLA on saturday; 2) UCLA still gets to plays the Oregon schools, so there is two automatics.

Upon further review it is a good thing that UCLA won. All UW has left is ASU, UA, and WSU. UCLA still has UO, OSU, STAN, and CAL. And if we tie UCLA we have the head-to-head and split against UW if we win.

 

[Skkorpion]

Upon further review it is a good thing that UCLA won. All UW has left is ASU, UA, and WSU. UCLA still has UO, OSU, STAN, and CAL. And if we tie UCLA we have the head-to-head and split against UW if we win.

Focusing more on just ASU and what we can control, the game with UA worries me. Is anybody in the PAC playing better hoops than the Cats right now? And you know their fans bought up a bunch of the tickets for Sunday's game.

 

[HooverDam]

Focusing more on just ASU and what we can control, the game with UA worries me. Is anybody in the PAC playing better hoops than the Cats right now? And you know their fans bought up a bunch of the tickets for Sunday's game.

Im nervous too, but I think ASU matches up pretty well with UA. Hills a bit better than Pendergraph, but its usually a push in the match up it seems. Hardens obviously leagues better than any of UAs wing players and Budinger seems wildly inconsistent. If Abbott and Rik have at least decent shooting nights ASU should be fine.

 

[FArting]

ASU is in 2nd place by itself. Oregon State beat Cal. Washington State beats UCLA on the road.

 

[FArting]

Big game vs U of A tonight at 8 pm.

 

[Skkorpion]

ASU/UA starts in 13 minutes.

 

[Brian in Mesa]

ASU/UA starts in 13 minutes.

Woohoo !!

Started a thread for the game: Duel in the Desert

 

[FArting]

ASU is ranked 11th in ESPN/USA Today Coaches Poll and 14th in the AP Poll.

 

[Skkorpion]

ASU is ranked 11th in ESPN/USA Today Coaches Poll and 14th in the AP Poll.

Oh, my. Who would have thunk? And many voters in the east and midwest surely voted before last night's win over UA.

 

[TheKid_1]

Pretty cool little article about Herb... http://sports.espn.go.com/ncb/columns/story?columnist=miller_ted&id=3932940