ASFN Community - Formerly Rampant Negativity

[Chris_Sanders]

Hi Everyone,

I have had a long time poster ask me to delete their account because they felt the board was unreadable right now.

I really haven't been here for a week, but I definitely see what the poster was saying. A lot of these threads are being carpet bombed by people who are only adding negativity.

Obviously everyone has the right to their opinion and can voice them. However, this board is supposed to be a refuge for Cardinals fans. Instead we are kind of eating our own.

Please remember that you don't have to "win" the discussion. I don't like to see our community shrinking. Any long time poster coming to me privately to say they are done with ASFN is concerning. This isn't an issue where someone is looking for attention or sympathy, they would just rather go elsewhere.

 

[Jetstream Green]

I agree Chris, and I'm glad you brought this up

 

[Dback Jon]

Thansk for the post. I find it incredible how negative some are - a game as not been played yet.

 

[desertdawg]

The vibe was awesome in here just a little while ago. I hope it wasn't my negativity thread.

 

[TheCardFan]

Agreed...thanks Chris.

 

[Mulli]

 

[Chris_Sanders]

I agree Chris, and I'm glad you brought this up

It was difficult for me to address this since I don't want to discourage discussion. People should certainly say their opinions, just try not to harp on them.

If you hate the front office, Graves, a player, the coach...whatever. Expressing that is perfectly fine. Just don't bring it into every single discussion that remotely relates to that subject.

A perfect example is the Washington thread. A media outlet expresses some news about the player (that is actually positive) and it becomes a 3 page fight about how much he sucks.

 

[jf-08]

Good job, Chris.

 

[Jetstream Green]

There has been a lot of negative comments on this board lately. Some are by people who care and do so by what they believe as die-hard fans, and some are doing it as a competition it seems on who can be witty at the Cardinals' expense. I have this question. It is a good question. If your at a sports bar and someone is ragging on the Cardinals and they are NOT a Cardinal fan...what do you do? I live in Texas. Home of the arrogance and ignorance which is Cowboy fan. Not all Cowboy fans are like this but a majority are and I will get involved and defend this team. I can stomach some of these comments on this forum because they are like a family argument. It is ok for us to mouth off at one another but not ok if your not part of the family so to speak.

 

[Duckjake]

The problem with some posters is that they think that any opinion not in lock step with the Cardinals is being negative.

They also think that attacking any poster who is not in lockstep with the team is ok but not the other way around. It seems to be ok to be rude and obnoxious as long as you are supporting the Cards moves but not the other way around. I've got several of those type posters on ignore.

Criticizing the players who leave is ok but not criticizing the new guys????

I would recommend reading other teams boards across the spectrum of the internet.

Heck just read some of the comments on the AZCentral site that follow the articles.

You'll be back here in no time saying how great ASFN is.

 

[BigRedRage]

meh, booohoo. Some people are glass half full and some are glass half empty. If people think negatively they can express that concern. If you dont like it move on to the next comment. Personal attacks and whatever are rediculous but to complain about people being unhappy with the FO or whatever? Get over it.

 

[BigRedRage]

The problem with some posters is that they think that any opinion not in lock step with the Cardinals is being negative.

They also think that attacking any poster who is not in lockstep with the team is ok but not the other way around. It seems to be ok to be rude and obnoxious as long as you are supporting the Cards moves but not the other way around. I've got several of those type posters on ignore.

Criticizing the players who leave is ok but not criticizing the new guys????

I would recommend reading other teams boards across the spectrum of the internet.

Heck just read some of the comments on the AZCentral site that follow the articles.

You'll be back here in no time saying how great ASFN is.

+1

At least negative posters here are usually intelligent, azcentral comments are like arguing with 3 yr olds about football fundamentals.

 

[Chris_Sanders]

I don't believe either side needs to "win" on the board. That is a perfectly valid point.

 

[Jetstream Green]

This forum is sort of like a football team...every so often the coach has to step in and break up the pushing from time to time when things get a little hot and then you carry on...perfectly normal stuff. Good stuff coach Sanders ;D

 

[kerouac9]

It was difficult for me to address this since I don't want to discourage discussion. People should certainly say their opinions, just try not to harp on them.

If you hate the front office, Graves, a player, the coach...whatever. Expressing that is perfectly fine. Just don't bring it into every single discussion that remotely relates to that subject.

A perfect example is the Washington thread. A media outlet expresses some news about the player (that is actually positive) and it becomes a 3 page fight about how much he sucks.

Isn't talking about whether or not Daryl Washington is good on a thread about how the Cards are going to feature Daryl Washington exactly relating to the subject?

I know there are some posters who will walk on to threads and bring up subjects most tangentially related to them, but this isn't the case here. Clearly my posts (since you're talking about me here) are about the subject under review. It has nothing to do with quashing positivity. This was a 5-11 team last year.

No one started a thread on how Kevin Kolb threw three picks in Saturday's scrimmage and scored 1 time in 6 drives. I wasn't going to talk about it, because it doesn't matter, because it was just a practice.

OTOH, I don't think we need three different threads started by the same poster that accuses the front office of sitting on their hands once free agency started.

 

[DemsMyBoys]

 

[Chris_Sanders]

meh, booohoo. Some people are glass half full and some are glass half empty. If people think negatively they can express that concern. If you dont like it move on to the next comment. Personal attacks and whatever are rediculous but to complain about people being unhappy with the FO or whatever? Get over it.

Thank you for an example of a post that isn't needed.

It is going to stop. You can express yourself without comments like "boohoo"

Maybe you don't care about what is good for ASFN as a whole, but I promise you the moderators do.

 

[JeffGollin]

There are two ways to deal with the issue of negativity:

We can discourage negative comments (I have a problem with that).

Or we can explore the reasons for all the negativity (a better way to go).

One possibility: overly high expectations after 2 playoff seasons (sometimes a team - due to breaks, parity etc. - takes a step or two back).

 

[Chris_Sanders]

Isn't talking about whether or not Daryl Washington is good on a thread about how the Cards are going to feature Daryl Washington exactly relating to the subject?

I know there are some posters who will walk on to threads and bring up subjects most tangentially related to them, but this isn't the case here. Clearly my posts (since you're talking about me here) are about the subject under review. It has nothing to do with quashing positivity. This was a 5-11 team last year.

No one started a thread on how Kevin Kolb threw three picks in Saturday's scrimmage and scored 1 time in 6 drives. I wasn't going to talk about it, because it doesn't matter, because it was just a practice.

OTOH, I don't think we need three different threads started by the same poster that accuses the front office of sitting on their hands once free agency started.

I wasn't calling out anyone specifically because I wasn't speaking only to you. I am speaking more towards the way the board looks in general (especially to someone who is reading these threads a week later. I am frankly shocked by the amount of fighting when a single down hasn't been played yet)

 

[BigRedRage]

Thank you for an example of a post that isn't needed.

It is going to stop. You can express yourself without comments like "boohoo"

Maybe you don't care about what is good for ASFN as a whole, but I promise you the moderators do.

Well, going to a moderator and asking to have your account deleted is already a move of needing attention, why not just step away for a while? Or never log in again?

Look, I get tired of negative comments too but youll never hear anything from me, I move past them and read the next one and love this place just as much as I did when I signed up in 2004 or whatever it was. If someone doesnt like the negativity I encourage them to go read some other boards for a while, 100% they will be back and realize trhis is the place to be regardless of the darksiders.

If everyone had a psoitive reaction to everything this board would fail just like coach MAC!

Reminds me of celebrities saying if so and so is elected, they will move out of America.

Some people are negative, some are positive. Your need differing views to have discussions.

Our problem is more of people know each other to well and make things personal more than it is negative opinions of the team.

 

[kerouac9]

I wasn't calling out anyone specifically because I wasn't speaking only to you. I am speaking more towards the way the board looks in general (especially to someone who is reading these threads a week later. I am frankly shocked by the amount of fighting when a single down hasn't been played yet)

It's been a polarizing offseason. I think things might settle down once the games actually start and we'll start to see people on the field. The compressed timeline means that decisions that get teased out over three months of free agency and then the draft are hammered together into 10 days.

What are the offseason battles always over?

- Players leaving in free agency always sucked/will be missed
- New players coming in are diamonds in the rough or steals/someone else's garbage
- Rookies are going to light the world on fire/overrated washouts
- Organization is making savvy moves/too cheap to succeed

These four things generally are settled and we're getting training camp reports at this time of year. Add in a controversial trade of a player for a quarterback and the board is kind of a powder keg. I wish that there were the training camp threads that we've had the past three or four years; that was one of the highlights of the board for me.

Duck's right that people who have criticisms of the Cards are summarily shouted down and disparaged, while people with rosy outlooks are cheered. I don't mind that; it's just what happens this time of year. But I think the venom on the parts of people who are defending all the moves is poisoning the atmosphere.

 

[Jersey Girl]

Thank you for an example of a post that isn't needed.

It is going to stop. You can express yourself without comments like "boohoo"

Maybe you don't care about what is good for ASFN as a whole, but I promise you the moderators do.

 

[Chris_Sanders]

Let me be clear since I see people are glossing over what I am saying:

Voicing negative opinions - That is perfectly acceptable.

Virtual badgering threads / people with that negativity is bad for this community. It is anathema to the very principles this board was founded upon.

I am just asking you to consider what you write before you toss it out there.

 

[Cheesebeef]

The problem with some posters is that they think that any opinion not in lock step with the Cardinals is being negative.

They also think that attacking any poster who is not in lockstep with the team is ok but not the other way around. It seems to be ok to be rude and obnoxious as long as you are supporting the Cards moves but not the other way around. I've got several of those type posters on ignore.

completely agree.

 

[Chris_Sanders]

Duck's right that people who have criticisms of the Cards are summarily shouted down and disparaged, while people with rosy outlooks are cheered. I don't mind that; it's just what happens this time of year. But I think the venom on the parts of people who are defending all the moves is poisoning the atmosphere.

And that probably only adds to the "I must say it more lest you dismiss it"

Perfectly valid. People do need to be more respectful on both sides.