ASFN Community - Formerly Rampant Negativity

[Rats]

So some of us are negative. This is not news. Some are positivly dripping with enthusiasm for this team (both homers and negative nellys). So much so that they can't see when the team or front office is not measuring up or is making strides. We argue about it. So what. This season I see positive steps being taken to fix bad decisions. Credit where credit due. Still not enough has been done to get the talent they need to return to the playoffs IMO. Others disagree. Fine. I agree with Duck that more leinency is givin to those with a "In Whis I trust" or a " In Micheal I trust" mantra. The ones that point out the negative things usually draw the ire of the mods and the ones with a "rosy" glow go on about there way continually sneering at the negative nancys and taking verbal shots at them. One of the reasons I really don't care to be overly active on the board anymore. The mods in the past haven't shown that they will give equal punishment. The very title of this thread is an attack on those that critic the Cards. Take s two to have an arguement. The ones that give the Cards a pass at every turn(Homers)start just as many arguments as the Darksiders.

 

[crisper57]

As someone who probably would fall into the Koolaid category, I just want to say I appreciate the Darksiders. They help keep me grounded in reality when I think everything is sunshine and rainbows. They give me a counterpoint against which I can argue.

As long as they don't attack me personally, or hijack every single thread with unrelated negativity, I welcome their views. I hope they can appreciate mine.

This board would be so boring if we all agreed on everything all the time.

 

[Cardinals.Ken]

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What?

 

[Rats]

IMO Its because certain people feel like they are being singled out because of their views while others get a pass because they can be an ass as long as they arent negative. We have had a split between the two philosphies for quite some time and it will prob never change.

This....is what is happening. Well stated.

 

[cardpa]

I find that in most threads I find nuggets of reasonable points of opinions. What I do is filter out the dumb or stupid ones and enjoy the ones that present legitimate arguments or point counter point.

I have been here since this all started. You can't tell by my number of posts since I lurked for several years.

I disagree with some and agree with others but in no way shape or form can I say I dislike anyone here. Some just see things differently than I do. That to me is okay.

 

[BigRedRage]

What?

lol

 

[D-Dogg]

What is virtual badgering?

Better than virtual buggering.

 

[Billy Bob]

I'm a Cardinals fan and quite frankly the negativity lately is sickening to me. thanks for pointing it out Chris.

 

[RugbyMuffin]

In essence you are saying who cares about people that don't like what goes on here. So what. That drives people away. We need more people with differing opinions... not less.

I get it. You don't like that someone wanted to leave and Chris brought it up. So you felt you needed to let everyone know that you don't care.. to hell with 'em.

IMO it was an unnecessary statement. It goes without saying that if that person does not like it, then can leave..

Fair enough. Understood.

To be fair, my statement is not to let everyone know what I think about it, cause I highly doubt anyone gives a darn about my personal opinion on the subject. I barely do.

I obviously did not write what I wanted to state correctly, and my grammar sucks so that probably is the case.

I bring it up because were does this kind of thing stop ? What about other posters that have left because of other reasons? What makes this person's complaint more valid than the next ? What if the poster read something, and while it stated this, he implied that, and took the post in a way that it was not intended to be taken ?

Furthermore, I have been on the board for a while, and have seen things that are more screwed up than name calling. The clicks, the groups, the chosen few that get away with anything, etc., etc.

It is a message board, something that is borderline uncontrollable (thanks as always mods for what you do, BTW).

Just saying:

1. Poster A makes a complaint and there is thread. (aka - Poster A gets insulted by another, and gets that person who gave the insult banned)

2. Poster B makes a complaint and nobody cares. (aka - Poster B gets instults by another, and is told to suck it up.)

That is what I see happen. It is what it is. Happens on all boards, and I feel this board deals with this reality better than most. We have good moderators here.

If the moderators want to make changes, then I respect and understand the situation.

But, do it because that is what the board and every single person on it needs. Not because of some poster who is leaving because he no longer likes it here.

It is hard for someone who has been told to "if I don't like it leave" so many times in my life to care. To be fair, after reading your post, you are correct that it is NOT the attitude to have, but obviously my initial post conveys my first reaction.

But, what is best for the board to debate and talk but with acceptance, and comradarie for your fellow fan.

To that I say, I try.... I really do try to be as civilized and gentlemenly as possible.


But your point is understood, and more than fair and clear. I appreciate you replying back. Thanks

I think the point of this thread was to squash a bit of the over running personal attacks and multiple threads talking about how the FO and or player x sucks.

I personally can disagree with you and still come back for more, and that is why I am still here after 7 years. I respect what alot of you all offer, but the truth is that it IS getting tiresome to read some people beat others down.

With this I could not agree more. There is no need for the snide comments and "I am behind a computer monitor, what you going to do" attitudes.

We are all fans here, and while opinions may differ. We all should be able to talk without name calling, or puruposely trying to get under each others skin.

Cause you are 100% right in the fact that the more opinions the more rich the flavor you get out of a forum. Plus NOBODY likes coming here and getting all P.O.'d. This is supposed to be fun. I have no problem with my opinions about the Cardinals being battered, and berated, but I do have a problem when it becomes personal.

There is a big difference between "You're stupid", and "Your opinion is stupid".

If I am making too much of this, and I probably am, and it is a simple as our moderator saying, "Could you all try to be a little more civil and cordial to your fellow fans ?" Then I am all for it.

Again, thanks for replying it is appreciated, and understood. LOL, after reading my explanation above ...... I see PERFECTLY why you quoted me.


PS - I would also like to say I suffer from being "Very Italian" mixed with French. Thus I naturally am "strong willed" which my mother would say, is a nice way of saying I can be a prick without knowing it.

 

[Mulli]

Better than virtual buggering.

 

[D-Dogg]

I guess I'm jealous since guys like Cheesebeef are the coolest guys on the board....I'm just an old frikkin nerd.

Oh no. you just inflated somebodies head with that one. Ugh. He'll be unbearable now.

Asking to have your account deleted versus never logging in again...makes no sense unless you never intend to really go away and just want to vent.

Dude, I'm totally out!

 

[Big Deal]

Hi Everyone,

I have had a long time poster ask me to delete their account because they felt the board was unreadable right now.

I really haven't been here for a week, but I definitely see what the poster was saying. A lot of these threads are being carpet bombed by people who are only adding negativity.

Obviously everyone has the right to their opinion and can voice them. However, this board is supposed to be a refuge for Cardinals fans. Instead we are kind of eating our own.

Please remember that you don't have to "win" the discussion. I don't like to see our community shrinking. Any long time poster coming to me privately to say they are done with ASFN is concerning. This isn't an issue where someone is looking for attention or sympathy, they would just rather go elsewhere.

I know what you mean. I started a duplicate thread and instead of the mod simply merging the threads, they left it up and added a snide comment instead.



Seriously though, I have been on this board a long time, as long as most. I hardly post and use it to keep up with Cards and DBacks news. I have always felt that the mods have favorite posters that are allowed to get away with murder. Not trying to start any war, but if the mods want to change the attitude of this board, they should maybe have a meeting with each other and look in the mirror before calling out the actual members.



Again, just my opinion.

 

[carrrnuttt]

Sports is an escape from Life. If you're negative enough that YOU can stress OTHER people out, maybe you need to loosen your grip on sports. Either that, or quit treating people who feel more positively than you as being "less intellectual" than you are about the subject.

Some people, like me, feel okay with leaving most of the deep thinking about sports to people who are getting paid to do so. I already do too much thinking in my daily grind. Not that I won't complain when some aspect of the team (players; FO; owners) acts "out of tune" (see my sig), but when it comes to arguing the minute details that some here can get to, I find that tedious and asinine.

Yeah. Some people are overly positive. So what? Would you prefer a vacation (aka: escape) to Antarctica over one to Hawaii or the Bahamas? People come in here brimming with hope, because people want to escape into hope. I don't mind reading about negative opinions, but some people here seem to make it their mission to leave all hope behind and that it is unacceptable for anyone else to have hope.

 

[Cheesebeef]

Oh no. you just inflated somebodies head with that one. Ugh. He'll be unbearable now.

lol... one of the "coolest" guys on the board? anyone who has as many posts as I have is definitely NOT cool.

 

[TheCardFan]

This. Wow.

Asking to have your account deleted versus never logging in again...makes no sense unless you never intend to really go away and just want to vent.

Or...you geniunely would like to provide input that may lead to an improvement to the board (with our without you).

Candor is a strong contributor to making things better.

 

[Cardiac]

This past 2 weeks or so has been a bit frustrating at times for me but nowhere near the ingore button binge I went on at the end of the season. Which speaks to what several have stated which is use ignore for better ASFN enjoyment.

I have admoration and respect for those who don't use the ignore function but alas I'm not that strong.

If this were my website and someone was leaving for whatever reason I would truly appreciate them reaching out to me so I know what the issue is. Maybe I can fix it and maybe I can't but anytime a "customer" gives you a complaint consider it a gift. Those customers who just go away are "company" killers.

I do find that some who are considered "darksiders" do have some of the best info and input on this forum. Look; maybe Whiz is just a lucky idiot or RG is slow in more then one way and DWash is just a big fast girl or Stew Bradley is spokes person for Aflac but anyone with any sense of realism has to see that maybe the before mentioned may not work out as we had hoped.

There is a thread that I didn't read more then 7 lines and said I'm outa here (that thread) because I knew it would just irritate me and wasn't anything new. Those are far and few and it's more then likely it's my issue and not the OP.

I think the Mods do a wonderful job here and I don't see much if any favortism, I think that is also a perception thingy.

Gotta have differences in opinion or this would be a far less informative and enjoyable experience.

 

[D-Dogg]

lol... one of the "coolest" guys on the board? anyone who has as many posts as I have is definitely NOT cool.

Exactl...hey wait!

 

[Cheesebeef]

And if Koolaiders do that they're stupid.....and if Darksiders belittle Koolaiders then they're stupid.

sorry man.. but belittling someone's argument by providing reasons why their argument isn't sound isn't calling them stupid. it's just a way to prove a point.

can you show me where darksiders are calling others stupid? they may disagree with the point made, but more times than not, they don't do it with insults, they do it with facts backing up their opinions.

On the other hand, you ALWAYS see people say "i'm getting sick of your attitude"... "why are you a fan?" "do you wear opposing team's jerseys to games?" and THOSE are insults.

Some of us like yours truly change capes depending on the event.....for Derek anderson I was a Darksider.....for Kevin Kolb I'm a Koolaider.

and yours truly has as well. I actually BACKED the Anderson move... and i like Kolb... hell, when we finally did something this off-season, I backed that too with an entire thread. Then, it seemed like we decided we had done enough and that pissed me off. When the team deserves credit, they usually get it and when they don't, they don't. Sadly, we've had three years of a team deserving credit and 19 years where they deserve to have the crap that throw at us, thrown right back at them.

 

[cardsfanmd]

I know what you mean. I started a duplicate thread and instead of the mod simply merging the threads, they left it up and added a snide comment instead.



Seriously though, I have been on this board a long time, as long as most. I hardly post and use it to keep up with Cards and DBacks news. I have always felt that the mods have favorite posters that are allowed to get away with murder. Not trying to start any war, but if the mods want to change the attitude of this board, they should maybe have a meeting with each other and look in the mirror before calling out the actual members.



Again, just my opinion.

mine too

 

[Chris_Sanders]

wait... shouldn't that go for the other side as well?

I have already said as much.

 

[Mulli]

Do any darksiders volunteer to be mods or meet the criteria?

Besides, DCR I mean.

 

[AzStevenCal]

I definitely lean to the koolaid side even though this franchise makes it tough to stay positive. I've gone down the darkside path but I just got tired of being miserable so I made a conscious choice to try and put the best face on everything. I certainly understand why many of you can't do that.

If you listen to some of the darksiders, they maintain they're just the offset to the rah rah group. I look around though and I really don't see that balance. I see people that are cautiously optimistic and I see people that have serious doubts but I also see people that are convinced this franchise will never, under any circumstances, do the right thing (intentionally).

That means we have a lot of people in the middle (left and right of the line) but we also have a fair number of people at the far end of the negative side with little or nothing at the other end of the spectrum. I understand the people in the middle (that, by far, is most of us) but I too tire of the very small group that blasts this organization for every move, always taking the dimmest interpretation of each action by Whiz, Graves or the Bidwills.

For those of us that are just trying to be hopeful, the extreme negativity sometimes feels like a concerted effort to dash our hopes. After awhile, someone on the hopeful side of the fence starts feeling like they've been mugged so they fire a shotgun blast in the general direction of the darksiders. And then, someone from the darkside will take it personally (granted, it often is intended that way) and off we go. More often than not, the real extremists aren't even involved in the flareup, they've just set the stage for the drama that follows.

I don't know if there's a solution for this, it's pretty much just life on a message board. I think we've all seen it worse at other places and it's been worse here too. It stands out more this offseason because, to many of us, it actually feels like this organization made a real effort this offseason.

Oh, well, it is what it is (whatever that means). I'd suggest a group hug but I'm pretty sure at least two of the dark-siders are pick-pockets.

Steve

 

[ASUCHRIS]

When the team deserves credit, they usually get it and when they don't, they don't. Sadly, we've had three years of a team deserving credit and 19 years where they deserve to have the crap that throw at us, thrown right back at them.

Amen. It is somewhat amusing that we have to go through these paces every year. All part of the fun, I guess.

 

[Chris_Sanders]

And ?

Negativity is relative to the poster. That poster doesn't want to be here anymore then so be it.

Probably one of the same that if you fart the wrong way in here you are a the most evil and negative person against the Cardinals alive.

How many times I have made the slightest point that is not 100% gum drops, candy canes, and sugar coated, and was all of a sudden the postered boy for this and that.

If you don't like the board, then leave. It is that simple.

No Cardinals fan is welcome to "leave". That is the sort of attitude that is rotting this board at it's core.

I didn't name names. If you feel I am talking to you, then you may want to do some self reflection instead of finger pointing.

 

[Cheesebeef]

I have already said as much.

you said one line in one post after someone brought it up to you... as opposed to an entire thread scolding half of a fan base who's usually told to shut up or go root for another team.

that seems appropriate.