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Cheesebeef

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I'm still trying to deal with being told Cheese is the coolest guy on the board.:p

yeah... I'm still wondering if being dubbed the coolest guy on a message board is more a compliment or a detriment! :)
 

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I'm sorry I'm late to this discussion, but allow me to play devil's advocate for a minute.

Folks, this is a message board about athletics; a topic which promotes some of the most passionate yet inherently choleric discussions; almost parallel to that of politics and religion. You are going to find several people with an elitist attitude eager to "win" arguments. That's just the nature of the beast. Honestly, what do you expect? Peaches and cream along with rainbow colored unicorns?

The perceived negativity of this board is rather benign when compared to other MBs dedicated to sports teams, especially when we consider specifically Cardinals' boards. I challenge anyone who has not posted on the main site's board to spend 2 weeks there and tell me how you feel. I left that board permanently because of the pervasive paranoid schizophrenic attitude along with the emergence of trolls who come to stir the pot. ASFN, by comparison, does not condone trolling and does a descent job keeping them at bay.

That being said, people who complain about negativity need to take a step back and look at the big picture. If everyone agreed with each other on all topics, we would have unarguably the most boring and intolerable message boards the internet offers and I guarantee we would have more people permanently logging off or refraining from creating an account than the select few Chris is reporting requesting to have their accounts deleted. Passionate discourse is what makes this message board interesting. Passion is what keeps point and counterpoint discussions moving forward.

While I understand individuals seeing recent comments as "negative," I see it as basic, fundamental conversations. The only aspect of these recent discussions I do not condone is when ad hominem attacks become the nature of the discourse. That's disgusting.

The bottom line is negativity is subjective and those who perceive this board as crass do not understand the heart of sports discussion. To involve yourself in these topics require thick skin or an avoidance of certain topics. I understand how people came to the decision to shut down their accounts, but because a select few who make that choice should not rip the heart out of sports discussion.
 

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A lot of posters who are negative aren't trying to be negative just to be that way, they just want things to change.

This organization isn't run like most other NFL teams, I live in KC, while they're not setting the world on fire, not particularly active in FA every year, They've been a lot more successful over the last say 20 years than the Cardinals have.

That comes from one thing, ownership.

Cardinals ownership is a TON better than it was but it's still a bit different and hopefully things will change over time.

All that said, it's time for some football and I hope that this year we start getting better which is what we all I hope wish for.
 

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Put it on your resume, and find out.

to be honest... that's probably one of the funniest things a sitcom writer could put on his resume, simply because it's so freaking ridiculous.

a list of my credits, followed by "Coolest Guy On Arizona Sports Fan Network" would at least get me an interview with any sitcom. then, it would just be up to me to blow it from there!
 

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to be honest... that's probably one of the funniest things a sitcom writer could put on his resume, simply because it's so freaking ridiculous.

a list of my credits, followed by "Coolest Guy On Arizona Sports Fan Network" would at least get me an interview with any sitcom. then, it would just be up to me to blow it from there!

lol

I dare you to use me as a reference. I'll get you work...it may not be the kind of work you want, but I'll get it for you!
 

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yeah... I'm still wondering if being dubbed the coolest guy on a message board is more a compliment or a detriment! :)

See, already to your head. He called you ONE of the coolest, not THE coolest.

:maninground:
 

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I've been thinking the coolest guy on the site would be able to work A$FN into a certain TV show.
 

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I dont want to like Cheesebeef, but I do. I think he used vodoo on us all!
 

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Seriously. I remember a few years ago when he would get it for being too positive. Now he's getting it from the other side when he is still just stating his well-thought-out, well-articulated opinions.

lol, this is EXACTLY what i was thinking. i think i used to be a darkside to mitch's koolaid. now the irony is i'm reading his stuff and i'm finding i'm more koolaid to his darkside (while still remaining darkside overall - weird).
 

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As one of the posters who has expressed an opinion that I am sure many view as negative, let me say here and now, that I am entitled to that opinion. Yes, I wrote that the Front Office stopped short of doing all that they said they would do. Yes, I wrote that they took ques from the head coach that, (he would rather wait and see how things went before they went after anyone else). They have for years, been content to go on the cheap, or to act too slowly to achieve a really positive outcome, or to stop just short of doing what is needed. This is precisely the reason that the owners placed a floor to the salary cap. For years now, the more successful owners have been forced to share their earnings with those not so successful, while the latter group, (of which the Cardinals are a recipient), continue to hoard prospective salary money away. This is exactly what has always caused this franchise to be on the outside looking in, (or in the cellar, looking up).

If you are going to fault me for that, then how do you stand when I posted that I would like to be the first to congratulate the same front office for the great work that they did in signing 51 players in a 5 day period. It seems to me that both of my opinions of the front office were correct, and both were appropriate at the time. Am I not entitled to my opinion? Or is it just that if my opinion reflects badly on the organization, that I must keep it to myself?

I have posted nearly 2000 time on this board, and while they were not all positive posts, the majority were certainly not negative. I have expressed my opinions, (positive and negative), based upon factual incidences whether positive or negative, and had always strived to include argument to justify my position on the matter posted about. I am not just a post-padder who is content to simply add a +1, or a thumbs up, to a previous post in order to get my count up.

I feel like I am being singled out by one of the moderators, (along with Mitch), and I will state unaquivically that I don't like it in the least. Mitch can, (and I am sure will), speak for himself. This is not moderation, this is censorship, (or at least an attempt at it). It is quite one thing to enforce one of the written rules of this forum, such as the use of certain words which are forbidden. It is an entirely different matter to threaten a poster, because his or her opinion differs from the majority of the board.

Chris Sanders is wrong in this matter, moderator or not. Many things can be moderated, but how one FEELS about a topic is not something that can be treated by moderating it out of existence. That is an out and out violation of my first amendment rights, and I will not just idly sit by and allow that to happen.

Chris, I understand that you have a job to do, and that it is an important one. But you have overstepped your bounds, and wandered into an area that you have no legal basis to tread in. I have NEVER written anything here on this board that I did not believe to be factual. I have ALWAYS tried to justify any position that I have stated with information that, (in my opinion), backed up my argument. That is what a forum is intended for. To be able to discuss opinions both pro and con. When that process is threatened, then this is no longer a forum, but simply a place in which to express the organization's opinion only. Catfish

uh, cat, as an attorney i can tell you that you're way outta bounds here. you have no first amendment rights on a privately owned board. technically they can ban us for saying that grass is green if they want.
 

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Thank you for your consideration to alieve my concerns. I have never been one to use insults or name calling. I did feel that a handful of us had been singled out, (myself included). I apologize if I am wrong about that, to the board, and especially to you Chris. I do enjoy coming to this forum and engaging in it. I am a Cardinals fan, but I don't always see eye to eye with the organization. Who the heck could see eye to eye with an organization as dysfunctional as this one has been, but then that too is part of the mystique of being a long-time Cardinal's fan. Thank you for relieving my concerns.

sorry to pile on with my last post. hadn't gotten far enough to see others already commented.
 

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uh, cat, as an attorney i can tell you that you're way outta bounds here. you have no first amendment rights on a privately owned board. technically they can ban us for saying that grass is green if they want.
You had to be an attorney to tell him?

My wife just watched a guy driving like an idiot who had a Georgetown Law License Plate holder. She flagged him down and said "hey, did you go to Georgetown Law School?" He said "yes, yes, I did. Did you?"


She said "no, but you just ran 3 stop signs."


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NOTE: Not saying anyone here is an idiot.
 
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You have no 1st amendment rights here; this isn't a public place. This is a privately owned forum. "No legal basis to tread in"? Really?


"I thought we were an autonomous collective?";)
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You had to be an attorney to tell him?

My wife just watched a guy driving like an idiot who had a Georgetown Law License Plate holder. She flagged him down and said "hey, did you go to Georgetown Law School?" He said "yes, yes, I did. Did you?"


She said "no, but you just ran 3 stop signs."


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NOTE: Not saying anyone here is an idiot.

uh, hullooooo . . . mulli - what do think that degree does for a recipient? we're allowed to run 3 stop signs. just not 4. who do you think writes the laws? yup, g'town alums!
 
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