Awwww.....Washington, Wa-shing-ton...

[82CardsGrad]

You raise an interesting question (I'm sorry if I'm going to distract from people wanting to criticize Daryl Johnson--is there anything more to be said on that point still?)--what counts as "starter's carries" in today's NFL? Yes, Chris Johnson averaged 22+ touches a game for the Titans, but that was essentially a one-man operation all season long.

The Cards are going to run essentially a platoon at the RB position for at least the next year or two. Bad for fantasy owners, but hopefully good for the Cards as it will allow tread to stay on the tires of the former 31st overall pick.

But when did Beanie Wells start pulling his share of the platoon last season? I was looking around for some other teams around the NFL that run platoons. Joesph Addai in Indy averaged 14.6 carries per game (CPG) in Indy. Brandon Jacobs averaged 14.9 with the Giants. Stunningly, LDT averaged 15.9 CPG while averaging 3.27 ypc(!). Jonathan Stewart averaged 13.8 carries in Carolina spitting time with DeAngelo Williams (16.6 CPG).

In 2009, the Cards averaged 22.81 rushes per game. That's well below the NFL median of 27.4 per game. Actually, it was the lowest number in the NFL. But mathematically that would make the starter's share anything over 11 carries per game.

Based on that, Beanie Wells assumed the starter's share of the carries on October 18, 2009 against the Seattle Seahawks. A mere 6 weeks--and 5 games--into the season.

That was without a training camp. As I said, I think that the coaching staff's aversion to playing rookies is overstated. DRC played more defensive snaps his rookie year than anyone except Adrian Wilson and Antrel Rolle. He was in for more snaps than Gerald Hayes. Rookie Steve Breaston saw more snaps that Jeremhe Urban or Sean Morey in 2007.

I don't think that it's unreasonable to see apparent future pro bowler Daryl Washington start very early in his career when his competition is a player that is very nearly worse than nothing at all.

 

[Mulli]

If Ali Highsmith and Will Davis can play significant minutes as rookies, DWashington should be able to play significant minutes as well.

That is when he is not saving children, but not the British children.

 

[Arizona's Finest]

You raise an interesting question (I'm sorry if I'm going to distract from people wanting to criticize Daryl Johnson--is there anything more to be said on that point still?)--what counts as "starter's carries" in today's NFL? Yes, Chris Johnson averaged 22+ touches a game for the Titans, but that was essentially a one-man operation all season long.

The Cards are going to run essentially a platoon at the RB position for at least the next year or two. Bad for fantasy owners, but hopefully good for the Cards as it will allow tread to stay on the tires of the former 31st overall pick.

But when did Beanie Wells start pulling his share of the platoon last season? I was looking around for some other teams around the NFL that run platoons. Joesph Addai in Indy averaged 14.6 carries per game (CPG) in Indy. Brandon Jacobs averaged 14.9 with the Giants. Stunningly, LDT averaged 15.9 CPG while averaging 3.27 ypc(!). Jonathan Stewart averaged 13.8 carries in Carolina spitting time with DeAngelo Williams (16.6 CPG).

In 2009, the Cards averaged 22.81 rushes per game. That's well below the NFL median of 27.4 per game. Actually, it was the lowest number in the NFL. But mathematically that would make the starter's share anything over 11 carries per game.

Based on that, Beanie Wells assumed the starter's share of the carries on October 18, 2009 against the Seattle Seahawks. A mere 6 weeks--and 5 games--into the season.

That was without a training camp. As I said, I think that the coaching staff's aversion to playing rookies is overstated. DRC played more defensive snaps his rookie year than anyone except Adrian Wilson and Antrel Rolle. He was in for more snaps than Gerald Hayes. Rookie Steve Breaston saw more snaps that Jeremhe Urban or Sean Morey in 2007.

I don't think that it's unreasonable to see apparent future pro bowler Daryl Washington start very early in his career when his competition is a player that is very nearly worse than nothing at all.

Now we are just going round and round with semantics.

So throw down the gauntlet. What do I get if Washington gets 70% of Dansby's numbers from 2009? Starting full time or not I'll take that bet.

I bet he gets 75 tackles and MORE INT's and FF's then the 20 million dollar man did in 2009. Will that be considered a success in your book K9?

What about team accomplishments? I bet our defense finishes higher then last year as well with Washington getting the majority of the snaps at WILB.

What have you?

 

[BigDavis75]

I guess we have to agree to disagree on this; as stated before, no state tax means higher taxes on everything else. Arizona has some of the lowest taxes in the country and I doubt the tax burden in Florida overall is lower than Arizonas.

http://swz.salary.com/salarywizard/layouthtmls/swzl_statetaxrate_az.html

I don't see how he'd make 15% more in Fla when AZ's top tax rate is 4.54%

 

[kerouac9]

Now we are just going round and round with semantics.

So throw down the gauntlet. What do I get if Washington gets 70% of Dansby's numbers from 2009? Starting full time or not I'll take that bet.

I bet he gets 75 tackles and MORE INT's and FF's then the 20 million dollar man did in 2009. Will that be considered a success in your book K9?

What about team accomplishments? I bet our defense finishes higher then last year as well with Washington getting the majority of the snaps at WILB.

What have you?

Whoa. I didn't mean for that last post to sound hostile. Gettin' a little aggressive here.

I don't want to invest in anyone's failures, much less my football team's. Cheese betting his mortgage against Mac on the road was as funny as it was profitable. But I want Daryl Washington to succeed. I think that some of the praise is getting hyperboic, but I seriously do want him to start Week 1.

Why would I bet against that? He's a Cardinal now. That's my boy.

 

[Arizona's Finest]

Whoa. I didn't mean for that last post to sound hostile. Gettin' a little aggressive here.

I don't want to invest in anyone's failures, much less my football team's. Cheese betting his mortgage against Mac on the road was as funny as it was profitable. But I want Daryl Washington to succeed. I think that some of the praise is getting hyperboic, but I seriously do want him to start Week 1.

Why would I bet against that? He's a Cardinal now. That's my boy.

No aggression brother. You are not used to me yet after taking your hiatus

I just feel good about my ability to evaluate talent and how it will translate (save Matt so far ) and I know you do to.

So lets make a friendly wager out of it. I'm prolly Washington's biggest proponent and your his biggest detractor. This is VBookie heaven right here

 

[Crimson Warrior]

Now we are just going round and round with semantics.

So throw down the gauntlet. What do I get if Washington gets 70% of Dansby's numbers from 2009? Starting full time or not I'll take that bet.

I bet he gets 75 tackles and MORE INT's and FF's then the 20 million dollar man did in 2009. Will that be considered a success in your book K9?

What about team accomplishments? I bet our defense finishes higher then last year as well with Washington getting the majority of the snaps at WILB.

What have you?

75 tackles? that is a pretty thin limb you're going out on AF. I would probably take the under on that deal. But, I appreciate your defense of the pick.

I also appreciate the points of the other side, and anybody who asserts that Dan Williams is "going to make Washington a better player" is not being very realistic. Williams hasn't played a down in the NFL yet, and some are already counting way to much on his 2010 production.

I think the bottom line is that Washington was a reasonable 2nd round pick. I don't really care that we gave up McFadden.

To me, the most fascinating thing about this thread is that, because of the overwhelming consensus that we stole Williams at 26, were relegated to arguing about our 2nd round pick.

 

[Arizona's Finest]

75 tackles? that is a pretty thin limb you're going out on AF. I would probably take the under on that deal. But, I appreciate your defense of the pick.

No its not exactly a safe bet but I think he will likely be starting 4 games (with as bad as Paris is) into the season and will get some healthy tackle numbers.

While the tackle portion of the bet is tenous, I really believe he will have a few more game changing plays (INT, TFL, FF) then Dansby. I think his speed dicatates that. and FWIW I would say the same thing with Watson and Robinson upfront.

But I guess we will see. Suffice to say I liked the pick

 

[Pariah]

I think the bottom line is that Washington was a reasonable 2nd round pick. I don't really care that we gave up McFadden.

Didn't we give up mcfadden to move up to get Skelton, not Washington?

 

[Pariah]

No its not exactly a safe bet but I think he will likely be starting 4 games (with as bad as Paris is) into the season and will get some healthy tackle numbers.

Based on what Whiz said, I think he could go the season without a "start" but still see the field on more than half the defensive snaps. Still 75 does seem a little lofty. Not unattainable, but lofty.

Hopefully in year two he's a lock to get those kind of numbers.

 

[BigDavis75]

Didn't we give up mcfadden to move up to get Skelton, not Washington?

Yes, we gave up a 6th and McFadden.

 

[Jersey Girl]

Bump.

Looks good so far, though it's still early.

 

[Buckybird]

daryl washington, anyone heard how he's looked?

 

[Krangodnzr]

daryl washington, anyone heard how he's looked?

Everything has been good so far. He's looked very fast....but meh we've played no preseason games and the real hitting hasn't started yet. We've had many players that have looked like Pro Bowlers at this point in time, only to turn into Langston Moore, Bobbie Blizzard, etc.

 

[Crazy Canuck]

We need him to, but that doesn't mean he will taking into account Whiz's disdain for playing rookies. And that's not necessarily an indictment of Washington if that's the case.

It was a real crappy year to try and replace Karlos Dansby, and the fault isn't with the team in my opinion. Dansby did NOT want to be a Cardinal and I think that is proven by his actions and the fact that he only got a small amount greater than the reported offer from the Cardinals.

If I want to play for the Cardinals but want a "market value" contract, I'd take Arizona's reported offer of 8.4 million over the Miami offer of 8.7 million. Dansby didn't get a huge increase from Miami, so it's quite obvious that he just wanted to move on (or he's the mercenary player that we always thought he was and it's better he moved on).

The Cards offer was not close, when you consider taxes paid in Florida verses Arizona. Whether the difference, is 5 or 10% -it nevertheless has to be accounted for in the total contact.

 

[Buckybird]

The Cards offer was not close, when you consider taxes paid in Florida verses Arizona.

Yeah, I live in Texas where we have no state taxes...isn't life great? Wooo hooooo!!!

 

[Krangodnzr]

The Cards offer was not close, when you consider taxes paid in Florida verses Arizona.

Higher sales tax and property taxes....states still make up the difference...

 

[Crazy Canuck]

Yeah, I live in Texas where we have no state taxes...isn't life great? Wooo hooooo!!!

I'm a permanent resident of Bermuda, spending 6 months + a day on the island.

I pay no income tax... Isn't life great?

 

[Buckybird]

I'm a permanent resident of Bermuda, spending 6 months + a day on the island.

I pay no income tax... Isn't life great?

good then you can buy me a ticket to the next Cards game you attend.

 

[Crazy Canuck]

good then you can buy me a ticket to the next Cards game you attend.

I'll keep it in mind...

 

[Crimson Warrior]

six foot nine and effing killing for fun...


freaking love that line man.

 

[LoyaltyisaCurse]

Kent Somers Twitter: 1st offense doesn't score a TD this morn. Toler looking good at corner

 

[Shane]

Toler looking good at corner

Dont let K9 read that.

 

[Crazy Canuck]

Dont let K9 read that.

He'll go into gibbering hysterics if something good is said about Lenon...

 

[Krangodnzr]

Dont let K9 read that.

I read absolutely nothing into Toler not starting right now. Toler has achieved nothing in the NFL, and Whis is forcing him to play himself into the starting position.

I'll use a military metaphor:

If I were a Platoon Sergeant and I was trying out people to fill slots as my squad leaders and team leaders, I would pick people with more experience first then let the cream rise to the top. That's similar to the philosophy that Whis is employing.