Ay whatta ya know....Starters!

[Crimson Warrior]

Re: RENZ and Krang

Originally posted by HIX


What you call the Kasper fan club I call the CARDINALS fan club

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quit playing yourself off as a big cardinals fan. You know your more of a donk fan hix. you loud mouth.

 

[phinius]

Originally posted by jtav10
actually kasper would help a lot cause he will catch the ball. last week we came out and gilmore dropped a first down pass and that set the tone.

The guy who is being overlooked is Nathan Poole. He caught the only ball thrown to him today and he seemed to be able to hang onto the ball when it was thrown to him last year. He's not fast or flashy but he seems to be able to catch the ball when they throw it to him. Has the speed but he just drops to damn balls.

Phinius the old timer.

 

[Assface]

Let's bash Blake, McCown, Gilmore, Mac...


not eachother.


Anyone still posting doesn't deserve to be blasted like they contributed to giving up 50 points.

Gilmore sucks.

Kasper's better but he doesn't stay healthy. It's a wash.

Regardless of who sucks less we've won 3 stinkin games and have been talking about the draft since midseason.

I know we have the post loss grace period but let's not get carried away.

 

[Harpo]

Gilmore had another 0 catch performance today. It seems that he is a microcosm of this Cardinals team. He has no business being on the field, but is not held responsible for absolutely sucking. Instead he is rewarded with the starting job, and a new contract with a nice little signing bonus. I don't have the stats, but he may go down in history as the least productive starting WR ever. As a starter who is in on almost every play, he is barely catching one ball a game. Give someone else a shot, be it Poole, Kasper, or Shelton , because at this point it is well established that he can't get it done.

 

[Chainthroer]

I guess you all know that Gilmore was one of those given an extention with the remaining cap about three weeks ago. Wonder if thay gave him a signing bonus and what they saw to motivate them to extend his K? ? If this is an example of the "core players" we're in trouble!!

 

[Krangodnzr]

Re: RENZ and Krang

Originally posted by HIX
S c r ew you guys. You can stick your head in the sand and say that having Kasper in there would not help the TEAM win. You may be hoping for the best draft position, but i want the TEAM to win. If Gilmore was doing his job then there wouldn't be all the Kasper talk.

What you call the Kasper fan club I call the CARDINALS fan club

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And you think that Kasper would've actually helped?

I don't. Kasper has shown nothing that proves that he deserves a starting job. I would much rather us give playing time to Bryant Johnson, a player with real NFL potential

BTW, don't send me PMs filled with obscenities again.

 

[40yearfan]

Re: Re: RENZ and Krang

Originally posted by Krangthebrain
And you think that Kasper would've actually helped?

I don't. Kasper has shown nothing that proves that he deserves a starting job. I would much rather us give playing time to Bryant Johnson, a player with real NFL potential

BTW, don't send me PMs filled with obscenities again.

Krang, what do you have against Kasper? When given the chance last year he performed very well. He was the go to go on 3rd. downs and when we got close to the goal line (3 TD's). He hasn't had a chance to perform this year so why are you so sure he couldn't have helped this team?

As far as Bryant Johnson having potential, how many passes have bounced out of his hands and into the opponents hands for a interception? He has had 1 decent game, but has had major drops in all the games he's played in. Potential don't mean **** when you're trying to win if you're not playing up to that potential and he has yet to do that. To tell you the truth, if he doesn't start catching more balls, he will be another first round bust. I know, I know, it's only his first year and it takes longer than that to develope and don't compare him to Boldin who is an execeptional player. But why play a guy who can't catch regardless of how much talent he has when you have a guy sitting on the bench with sure hands and a knack for getting open? Does this coaching staff not care whether it wins or looses?

 

[DeAnna]

You all seem to be forgetting that these young guys need E X P E R I E N C E....that equates to playing time. How are they going to get any experience if they sit on the bench? Is there anyone better to put out there? Not really.

Inexperience is not the same as lack of talent.

 

[Krangodnzr]

Re: Re: Re: RENZ and Krang

Originally posted by 40yearfan
Krang, what do you have against Kasper? When given the chance last year he performed very well. He was the go to go on 3rd. downs and when we got close to the goal line (3 TD's). He hasn't had a chance to perform this year so why are you so sure he couldn't have helped this team?

His performance last year was far from stellar. He was basically the only target we had out there at times and he managed to catch around 3 or 4 passes a game.

As for his lack of chances, the coach staff doesn't think much of him. I don't either, it's my opinion, and I highly doubt that he could've helped us one bit

Kasper's numbers last year:

13 games, 4 starts, 15 catches, 180 yards, 12.0 ypc, 24 long,
3 tds.

Bryant Johnson's numbers this year:

11 games, 5 starts, 28 catches, 328 yards, 11.6 ypc, 54 long, 1 td.

Not much of a difference, just imagine if Bryant was a little more polished. Bryant needs to play to fully reach his potential.

Originally posted by 40yearfan
As far as Bryant Johnson having potential, how many passes have bounced out of his hands and into the opponents hands for a interception? He has had 1 decent game, but has had major drops in all the games he's played in.

Drops are correctable, and tend to be a problem with rookie wideouts, especially raw ones like Bryant. I have no idea the exact number of drops he has...5 or 6. Fans tend to exaggerate on the number that any given receiver drops. Boston dropped 12 last year.

Originally posted by 40yearfan
Potential don't mean **** when you're trying to win if you're not playing up to that potential and he has yet to do that. To tell you the truth, if he doesn't start catching more balls, he will be another first round bust. I know, I know, it's only his first year and it takes longer than that to develope and don't compare him to Boldin who is an execeptional player. But why play a guy who can't catch regardless of how much talent he has when you have a guy sitting on the bench with sure hands and a knack for getting open? Does this coaching staff not care whether it wins or looses?

Why play a young receiver? What do you want him to sit on the bench so that Kasper can play? Kasper averaged exactly 3.75 catches per game last year. That's not very good for a starting WR in the NFL. Which makes me wonder...does he really get open, or is this a case of the "backup QB syndrome"?

And the coaching staff DOES care about winning. It took an order from Graves to make Mac play McCown.

 

[HIX]

Re: Re: RENZ and Krang

Originally posted by Krangthebrain


BTW, don't send me PMs filled with obscenities again.

Then don't bring my up name on crap that I didn't post. Besides this wasn't even a thread about Kasper till you brought him up. Hell, I have said it before just get someone, anyone in there that will actually contribute.

 

[40yearfan]

Originally posted by krang

His performance last year was far from stellar. He was basically the only target we had out there at times and he managed to catch around 3 or 4 passes a game.

krang, if he could get his hands on it, he would catch it. Johnson only catches 50% of the balls that hit him in the hands. Did you ever stop to think the reason Johnson has more catches is because he had a lot more balls thrown to him?

Not much of a difference, just imagine if Bryant was a little more polished. Bryant needs to play to fully reach his potential.

I agree that Johnson need to play to fully reach his potential and he should be playing now in garabage time, but during the year, when there was still hope, Kaper should have been playing because he has better hands and seemed to get open more often.
This was a coaching decision to let Kasper sit, the same coaches who insist on playing Gilmore every game. Both of these decisions make me question the ability of the man who made these decisions.

Drops are correctable, and tend to be a problem with rookie wideouts, especially raw ones like Bryant. I have no idea the exact number of drops he has...5 or 6. Fans tend to exaggerate on the number that any given receiver drops. Boston dropped 12 last year.

Wrong. I can think of at least 3 drops in every game for at least the last 3 games. Are you and I both watching the same games?

And the coaching staff DOES care about winning. It took an order from Graves to make Mac play McCown.

Maybe you consider that wanting to win. I consider it being obstinate and self-centered and not doing what is correct for the team.

 

[Russ Smith]

Originally posted by ajcardfan
I'll be surprised if either one is on the squad next year.

Gilmore is just hard to figure he looks like an NFL WR, runs like one, but he just doesn't do a thing out there. Even in the mopup in the game when everyone else is going over the middle and taking big licks, Gilmore is invisible.