AYTON TRADED!

[Raindog]

I hope this means nothing. Allen was the one part of the trade I liked. If he is getting moved though in a package for something good that might make this trade better for me.

Hmm, that could be interesting. Curious what other moves might be made. Allen was probably the more interesting piece of the deal, so they had better leverage that into something good.

 

[Mainstreet]

I hope this means nothing. Allen was the one part of the trade I liked. If he is getting moved though in a package for something good that might make this trade better for me.

I thought it was curious when I heard about the three players headed to Phoenix and nothing on Allen. I do like him as a player but the Suns are well stocked. Maybe the Suns still find a way to get TJ McConnell or something else afterall.

Edit: Now I'm thinking the trade has already been finalized.

 

[Germz249]

Ah. Gotcha. I didn't hear that at all. I was listening to Sat sports radio. So, who said it? Did one of the guys say who he heard it from?

I can’t remember. It was on Burns and Gambo. It had to do with him getting shut down was why he was frustrated and not as motivated. They were compare him and Ayton. How they had the same issue but at least with Nurkic it was wanting to play versus just someone who has no motivation.

 

[GatorAZ]

As far as Allen goes, I'd rather have too much dog in a player than not enough. I think fans are going to like him.

Allen is a scumbag but he’s exactly what this team needs. Both Allen/Nurkic are gritty players that skirt the rules. This roster lacked physicality before yesterday. What Bobby Portis did to us in the finals is the impact I want from someone.

 

[Covert Rain]

I can’t remember. It was on Burns and Gambo. It had to do with him getting shut down was why he was frustrated and not as motivated. They were compare him and Ayton. How they had the same issue but at least with Nurkic it was wanting to play versus just someone who has no motivation.

Thanks for the explanation. It appears the opinion on this is all over the place but there appears to be something to it for whatever reason. I think a new setting for most people is a chance to reset. I know my last major career change was a God send even if I didn’t see it at the time.

 

[TJ]

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Good perspective. I do think things are much different had JJ given him the 5 year max that MPJ got

 

[Germz249]

I thought Gambo was high on Nurkic. If Portland shut him down and he wanted to play I can see where there might be friction.

Gambo is high on him is the vibe I am still getting.

Just how the topic came about was the Suns trading a player with motivation issues for another player with motivation issues. They spoke of their skill sets and what was the motivation issue. Ayton and Monty didn’t get along. Ayton wanted to be the focus on offense. Nurkic was not happy about getting shut down. Being on a team that was not contending.

Sounded like they were justifying why Nurkic was said to have motivation issues.

 

[Cheesebeef]

Allen is a scumbag but he’s exactly what this team needs. Both Allen/Nurkic are gritty players that skirt the rules. This roster lacked physicality before yesterday. What Bobby Portis did to us in the finals is the impact I want from someone.

Yup.

 

[BirdGangThing]

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Good perspective. I do think things are much different had JJ given him the 5 year max that MPJ got

But I thought it was Monty's fault?

 

[Mainstreet]

Gambo is high on him is the vibe I am still getting.

Just how the topic came about was the Suns trading a player with motivation issues for another player with motivation issues. They spoke of their skill sets and what was the motivation issue. Ayton and Monty didn’t get along. Ayton wanted to be the focus on offense. Nurkic was not happy about getting shut down. Being on a team that was not contending.

Sounded like they were justifying why Nurkic was said to have motivation issues.

Why weren't they playing this tune before the Nurkic trade not that I was in favor of it. It was a reach by the Suns.

 

[Mainstreet]

But I thought it was Monty's fault?

The Suns have been shopping Ayton since at least last July and no one was knocking the door down for him.

 

[elindholm]

[MEDIA]

He was the only member of Phoenix’s core who was asked to sacrifice parts of his game.

I'm so glad we won't have to hear much more of this perspective. He wasn't "asked to sacrifice parts of his game." The Suns consistently fed him the ball, game after game, until doing so became so detrimental that they couldn't justify it anymore. If he had the aggression to go for 20-25 points most nights, the Suns would have been delighted to facilitate him.

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

Yeah man. The season just needs to start already.

Agreed. We need to see what we got.

 

[SunsTzu]

The Suns have been shopping Ayton since at least last July and no one was knocking the door down for him.

They tried to trade him before that for Sabonis.

 

[Covert Rain]

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Good perspective. I do think things are much different had JJ given him the 5 year max that MPJ got

Maybe. If Ishbia already owned the team he likely would have gotten it. That wouldn’t have solved the Monty problem. Besides asking him to be focused and more aggressive is part of “what they asked him to do”. Ayton did blame Sarver for not getting the 5 year deal and maybe at that point it sealed the deal. Is so, he isn’t the player I want on my team anyway. It would spelled trouble down the road.

 

[SunsTzu]

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Good perspective. I do think things are much different had JJ given him the 5 year max that MPJ got

It would have been idiotic to give him an undeserved 5 year deal just because another player who didn't deserve it got one.

 

[Mainstreet]

They tried to trade him before that for Sabonis.

That was the rumor but I'm not sure if the Pacers wanted to play ball. They wouldn't even do a sign and trade for him for Myles Turner.

If Ayton had a lot of value, I suspect he would have been traded long ago.

 

[Covert Rain]

That was the rumor but I'm not sure if the Pacers wanted to play ball. They wouldn't even do a sign and trade for him for Myles Turner.

If Ayton had a lot of value, I suspect he would have been traded long ago.

There were only 3 teams if I recall that had the combo of assets and cap space. That was a major factor and the afternoon guys were saying those offers sucked worse than this one.

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

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Good perspective. I do think things are much different had JJ given him the 5 year max that MPJ got

Naw. He showed us who he was before and after he got paid. He is what he is.

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

I'm so glad we won't have to hear much more of this perspective. He wasn't "asked to sacrifice parts of his game." The Suns consistently fed him the ball, game after game, until doing so became so detrimental that they couldn't justify it anymore. If he had the aggression to go for 20-25 points most nights, the Suns would have been delighted to facilitate him.

100%

 

[Mainstreet]

There were only 3 teams if I recall that had the combo of assets and cap space. That was a major factor and the afternoon guys were saying those offers sucked worse than this one.

I so dislike giving up on the number 1 overall pick, but the Suns would have taken a better trade offer if there was one out there.

 

[Phrazbit]

Allen is a scumbag but he’s exactly what this team needs. Both Allen/Nurkic are gritty players that skirt the rules. This roster lacked physicality before yesterday. What Bobby Portis did to us in the finals is the impact I want from someone.

Allen isn't physical, he's just dirty. Portis shoves people around and tries to intimidate.

Allen plays like a cream puff... up until someone does anything that annoys him and then he tries to undercut them in the air or slug them in the head while pretending to go for the ball.

This is not a "Raja Bell" type instigator... this is a child who throws tantrums.

 

[Covert Rain]

I so dislike giving up on the number 1 overall pick but the Suns would have taken a better trade if there was one out there.

For sure but the market was limited meaning there were few buyers available to start with. The looming tax apron changes make things worse. The Suns were one of the only teams to go all in despite that. That’s why Dame wasn't traded until Portland was able to avoid luxury tax. A bunch of teams are going to join them over the next couple seasons. It’s going to be a interesting to see the longer term effect of all of this.

 

[Phrazbit]

For sure but the market was limited meaning there were few buyers available to start with. The looming tax apron changes make things worse. The Suns were one of the only teams to go all in despite that. That’s why Dame wasn't traded until Portland was able to avoid luxury tax. A bunch of teams are going to join them over the next couple seasons.

Portland has been a cap disaster for ages, seemingly every off season they ink a brand new candidate for a bottom 10 contract in the league. This year's lucky recipient was Jerami Grant.

With them trading Dame, they absolutely had to get under the tax, paying tax for a bottom feeder would be disastrous.

 

[Covert Rain]

Portland has been a cap disaster for ages, seemingly every off season they ink a brand new candidate for a bottom 10 contract in the league. This year's lucky recipient was Jerami Grant.

With them trading Dame, they absolutely had to get under the tax, paying tax for a bottom feeder would be disastrous.

I wonder what the real effect will be with the new apron over the coming seasons and if it will have the intended impact to the league.