Bad Bad Levi Brown...

[jefftheshark]

Leonard Davis was a guard who played out of position. Levi Brown is a tackle. Levi Brown is not replacing Davis, Milford Brown is.

The Shark

 

[Shane]

Leonard Davis was a guard who played out of position. Levi Brown is a tackle. Levi Brown is not replacing Davis, Milford Brown is.

The Shark

 

[kerouac9]

Who, Levi? He was gone by 9, no matter what. ARIZ, ATL and MIA were all open in their admiration for the guy and wanted him as much as we did.

He never would have made it past 9. Multiple "pundits" said this, and many with inside information.

Levi may not be the sexy pick, but he's damn sure a road grader...better than big and cheaper and younger. I'm all aboard that train.

Oh, weren't those the same teams that were expressing their admiration for Brady Quinn?

 

[Shane]

Oh, weren't those the same teams that were expressing their admiration for Brady Quinn?

Our resident expert talent evaluator chimes in.

 

[Duckjake]

Thats all well and good Duck. Problem is you dotn go and pay a guy 50 million just so you can put yourself in your scenario when a guy clearly doesnt deserve it. You just dont pay underachievers. Thats a way to keep your team in a rut. Can you honestly say that LD wasnt a big part of that rut over the last 6 years? he certainly wasnt a bright spot.

This same situation will come up again this season with Dansby. If the Cards handle it the same way I'll still think they messed up while many of you will be on here listing all the things that were wrong with KD. It was the same way in 2003 when Plummer left and the Cards signed Jeff Blake to replace him.

I wonder what would have happened if this situation had come up last year?
Oliver Ross or Gorin or Wells would have been the LT and Green would have selected Leinart.

 

[D-Dogg]

We shall see I guess.

Tell you what: If you think I'm mis-guided, I'll bet you a bottle of Patron right now that we pick in the top 6 next year.

Deal?

I'll bet you that, Harley. Sucker's bet.

I like the Yellow Patron. You down to make that bet?

 

[Shane]

This same situation will come up again this season with Dansby. If the Cards handle it the same way I'll still think they messed up while many of you will be on here listing all the things that were wrong with KD. It was the same way in 2003 when Plummer left and the Cards signed Jeff Blake to replace him.

I wonder what would have happened if this situation had come up last year?
Oliver Ross or Gorin or Wells would have been the LT and Green would have selected Leinart.

But it didnt happen last year. You have no idea if that will come up next year with Dansby. Dansby needs to prove his salt again IMO. If he leaves then he most liekly didnt prove it. Much like LD didnt prove he was worth the contract he wanted.

Plummer needed to leave the Cards much like LD I had no problem with that either. This team wouldnt have been any better off with Plummer starting the overall talent stunk to bad.

I understand you loyalty to LD. But the bottom line is he was a HUGE part of a 6 year rut and emobodied that in his play and in his prescence. I dont doubt for a minute that Levi Brown after a few growing pains cant play beter than the level of LD.

 

[jefftheshark]

This same situation will come up again this season with Dansby. If the Cards handle it the same way I'll still think they messed up while many of you will be on here listing all the things that were wrong with KD. It was the same way in 2003 when Plummer left and the Cards signed Jeff Blake to replace him.

I wonder what would have happened if this situation had come up last year?
Oliver Ross or Gorin or Wells would have been the LT and Green would have selected Leinart.

Dansby's situation seems to be a parallel to Leonard Davis'. Is Dansby an ILB, or an OLB? Does he want to be here, or doesn't he?

It seems to me that if Dansby doesn't grab on to a LB position, and be too darn good at it to be replaced, that next year he will find that he has been.

The Shark

 

[Duckjake]

I dont doubt for a minute that Levi Brown after a few growing pains cant play beter than the level of LD.

Well you did think that Jeff Blake was a great QB and a wonderful signing for the Cards so I'll take that with a grain of salt.

Levi Brown hasn't played a down in the NFL so there is no way you can know if he'll even be as good as Fred Wakefield. You can only guess.

You and others just can't get past your hatred for Davis to understand the cost of having to replace players in the draft instead of building for the future or getting super talents so I'll just let it drop.

 

[Shane]

Well you did think that Jeff Blake was a great QB and a wonderful signing for the Cards so I'll take that with a grain of salt.

Levi Brown hasn't played a down in the NFL so there is no way you can know if he'll even be as good as Fred Wakefield. You can only guess.

You and others just can't get past your hatred for Davis to understand the cost of having to replace players in the draft instead of building for the future or getting super talents so I'll just let it drop.

I never ever said Jeff Blake was a great QB. I said he was good. For those years in Cinci he actually was pretty good. Just check his stats. I did think he was a decent signing no doubt.

Likewise you can only guess that he wont be better than LD.

Once again paying 50+ million for a gross underachiever is not my idea of building for the future.

 

[SpokaneCardfan]

Make it two nidan.

make that three

 

[Diamondback Jay]

I want to see the Cards get to the point where they take guys like Levi Brown to eventually replace or beat out guys they have on their roster. Not because they have no one at that position who is even remotely talented on the roster. (See 2003 and Jeff Blake who so many of you thought was going to be a terrific replacement for Jake Plummer.)

The day this happens is the day Arizona's picking at 25 instead of 5.

Right now, there's a select few teams in the NFL that are in this position, with New England being one, Baltimore's another. I think Chicago's getting to that point.

Also, without running the risk of stirring the pot, would you have the same mindset if Cleveland had taken Quinn or Peterson with the third pick and Thomas would have fallen in to Arizona's lap?

 

[Diamondback Jay]

Bad bad Levi Brown...was 2nd Team All-Conference.

Thanks again Rod.

LOL always finding ways to spin it in to the negative Mao..

 

[Duckjake]

The day this happens is the day Arizona's picking at 25 instead of 5.

Right now, there's a select few teams in the NFL that are in this position, with New England being one, Baltimore's another. I think Chicago's getting to that point.

Also, without running the risk of stirring the pot, would you have the same mindset if Cleveland had taken Quinn or Peterson with the third pick and Thomas would have fallen in to Arizona's lap?

Of course. I have no problem at all with Levi Brown. I just would like to see the Cards get away from stop gap drafting and take talent first like they did in 2004 and 2006. Probably two of the best drafts the Cards have had in years.
(Compared to other Cardinal drafts not other teams drafts. )

 

[BullheadCardFan]

Last season, James had 47 carries that netted zero or negative yards . . . before November.

We needed to shore up the Oline ...

 

[Crimson Warrior]

But it didnt happen last year. You have no idea if that will come up next year with Dansby. Dansby needs to prove his salt again IMO. If he leaves then he most liekly didnt prove it. Much like LD didnt prove he was worth the contract he wanted.

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If we don't lock Dansby up long term, we'll deserve every five and eleven record we'll have over the next three years.

All the guy does is make about two big plays every game, and plays solid the rest of the time.

He's a pro bowl invitation waiting to happen. He's played better than AW did in AW's first two or three years.

 

[Diamondback Jay]

Of course. I have no problem at all with Levi Brown. I just would like to see the Cards get away from stop gap drafting and take talent first like they did in 2004 and 2006. Probably two of the best drafts the Cards have had in years.
(Compared to other Cardinal drafts not other teams drafts. )

Fair enough . Wasn't trying to call you on the carpet, I just wanted to generate whether this was a Levi Brown thing or not.

 

[vinnymac]

I am not disappointed in picking Levi Brown. IMO the Cardinals needed to get a playmaker on the defensive side of the ball. Defense is the cardinals weakness. I am glad that the cardinals got Alan Branch and Buster Davis. If most of the o-line coaches in the nfl think that Brown and Thomas are equal than who am i to question them. What did Mooch call them "The Mushroom Club". something like that.

 

[Renz]

Big Levi serving up pancakes on Madden. Although, he is listed as #75 on the Cards' website.

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[kerouac9]

Big Levi serving up pancakes on Madden. Although, he is listed as #75 on the Cards' website.

Well, no one will confuse him with Leonard Davis then.

 

[RugbyMuffin]

You know, Divide Et Impera, what would be unreal...acquire G Alan Faneca...and here it is:

LT Brown, Levi
LG Faneca
C Johnson
RG Lutui
RT Gandy

Which would mean...only 1 of last year's starters (Lutui) remain...now that's an overhaul!

And a much needed overhaul. It just sounds good to hear that your club had one of, if not the, worse OL in the NFL, and because of that have replaced 4 out of its 5 starters from last year.

 

[Denny Green Fan]

And you are sure he wouldn't be doing the same thing with a lesser prospect in Rd 2 or later because????



You also don't have to teach him how to get to the trainers room because he knows how to get there also. Don't get me wrong I love the kid's talent but being hurt time and again is a huge ass red flag.



Yes RBs get hurt so do Olinemen, Dlinemen, LBs, and every other damn position in the NFL. Its a full contact sport.

Solving a possible injury issue with guy whose constantly injured? How does that make any sense? You're beyond reaching now

Evil Ash you are correct in my opinion. I loved Peterson. Every football fan would. But his injury history scared me to death. Peterson would have done us no good this year with no one to block for him. Lets get our line fixed first and then go after a young stud runner. In my ESPN draft guide a scout was quoted as saying " If you need a quality OT and there is one staring at you in the draft you probably should take him. They are too hard to find

 

[kerouac9]

Bad bad Levi Brown...was 2nd Team All-Conference.

Thanks again Rod.

It's still funny! We burned the 5th overall pick on a player that wasn't even the best at his position in his conference. Good times, y'all.

 

[Mulli]

It's still funny! We burned the 5th overall pick on a player that wasn't even the best at his position in his conference. Good times, y'all.

When the second best goes #3 overall, this point doesn't really bother me.

 

[dreamcastrocks]

It's still funny! We burned the 5th overall pick on a player that wasn't even the best at his position in his conference. Good times, y'all.