Bartel last night

[AzStevenCal]

Is it just me or is "the bean" the most annoying thing ever?

No, it's not just you (by a long shot). Besides, every time I read that name I keep flashing on an Ender's Game character. Great book, great series, horrible nickname.

Steve

 

[PortlandCardFan]

Is it just me or is "the bean" the most annoying thing ever?

See post #15

 

[Fiasco]

No, it's not just you (by a long shot). Besides, every time I read that name I keep flashing on an Ender's Game character. Great book, great series, horrible nickname.

Steve

I rate "the bean" an elite 97 out of 92 possible in all annoyance skillsets.

 

[AzStevenCal]

I rate "the bean" an elite 97 out of 92 possible in all annoyance skillsets.

LOL. To be fair, I'm not a big fan of nicknames in the first place but The Bean does not conjure an impressive picture.

Steve

 

[THESMEL]

Feed Chris Wells

We can even throw in Cody Broil and Hax Maul! ( Hacks Mauled him)

CHRIST WELLS, for Beans sake.

does anybody else get excited when you see the double stiff arm Giants TD, Or the spin TD against the Seahawks, Or Running over the Packer that fell to the fetal position,

I just don't see any other back that punishing or strong, with limited carries. I mean I enjoy that other Chis running like his hair is on fire, But Beanie Chris Wells would reach across the field and eat him!

give BEANIE CHRIS WELLS 358 carries and watch the destruction.

LOL. To be fair, I'm not a big fan of nicknames in the first place but The Bean does not conjure an impressive picture.

Steve

 

[Goldfield]

Bartel looked very sharp. He ran the offense crisply and efficiently. His passes were all (except one I think) right on the money and catchable. He didn't try to make it all about him, but did his part within the offense and did it well.

This is the first time I have seen him with extended playing time. I am pleased. He looks like our #2 qb and I like Skelton.

I agree, I like Skelton, and Bartel is better imo.

Weak arm and not accurate enough? Not sure where that came from...

He was very accurate and went deep just fine.

 

[Matt L]

Make me think of flatulence

 

[THESMEL]

Yep

Yep defenses think the same

OH CRAP! Here He comes again!
( let me slip on out the back door)

FEED THE BEAN!

Make me think of flatulence

 

[Chopper0080]

Richard Bartel executes the offense better than any other QB on the roster. He doesn't have the physical skills of either Kolb or Skelton (which will hold him back) but he has made the most out of his time with the Cardinals and flat out knows our offense. Kolb will over take him eventually as he gets more time in the system, but as of right now, Bartel is executing it to a T.

 

[THESMEL]

umm

against scrubs!, come on now we have a real game next week.

Richard Bartel executes the offense better than any other QB on the roster. He doesn't have the physical skills of either Kolb or Skelton (which will hold him back) but he has made the most out of his time with the Cardinals and flat out knows our offense. Kolb will over take him eventually as he gets more time in the system, but as of right now, Bartel is executing it to a T.

 

[Early]

He is good. He should be number 2. And there are many skills in his game that I like better than Kolb's. He shouldn't start, Kolb has been better, but if Kolb struggles at some point, I would rather see Bartel in than Skelton.

Skelton has the most potential of all our QB's. If he learns how to read the defenses and the offense, he can be a very good QB.

 

[daves]

Great to have a guy as a backup at QB who completed 73% of his passes at 10 yards per attempt.

We're a lot better off at #2 QB than with AJ Feeley, Thaddeus Lewis, Charlie Whitehurt, or Josh McCown or Brian St.Pierre or Max Hall.

In checking into the preseason QB stats, i was amazed by how many familiar names i saw at the top of the list... and at where they ranked relative to one another!

http://www.nfl.com/stats/categoryst...=PRE&experience=null&tabSeq=0&qualified=false

Rk 	Player 		Team 	Pos 	Comp 	Att 	Pct 	Att/G 	Yds 	Avg 	Yds/G 	TD 	Int 	1st 	1st% 	Lng 	20+ 	40+ 	Sck 	Rate
1 	Matt. Stafford 	DET 	QB 	25 	33 	75.8 	8.2 	395 	12.0 	98.8 	5 	0 	16 	48.5 	52 	8 	1 	1 	154.7
2 	Ben R-berger 	PIT 	QB 	21 	31 	67.7 	10.3 	361 	11.6 	120.3 	4 	0 	14 	45.2 	77T 	6 	2 	5 	146.6
[B]3 	Max Hall 	ARI 	QB 	6 	8 	75.0 	4.0 	79 	9.9 	39.5 	1 	0 	4 	50.0 	28T 	2 	0 	0 	145.3[/B]
4 	Aaron Rodgers 	GB 	QB 	37 	47 	78.7 	11.8 	395 	8.4 	98.8 	4 	0 	23 	48.9 	34 	5 	0 	6 	130.1
[B]5 	Derek Anderson 	CAR 	QB 	14 	23 	60.9 	11.5 	263 	11.4 	131.5 	2 	0 	9 	39.1 	45 	6 	2 	1 	129.4[/B]
6 	Luke McCown 	JAC 	QB 	12 	18 	66.7 	9.0 	133 	7.4 	66.5 	2 	0 	8 	44.4 	20 	2 	0 	0 	125.5
[B]7 	Josh McCown 	SF 	QB 	4 	4 	100.0 	4.0 	51 	12.8 	51.0 	0 	0 	3 	75.0 	33 	1 	0 	0 	118.8[/B]
[B]11 	Richard Bartel 	ARI 	QB 	37 	54 	68.5 	13.5 	530 	9.8 	132.5 	5 	2 	28 	51.9 	48T 	5 	3 	1 	115.5[/B]
12 	Philip Rivers 	SD 	QB 	31 	45 	68.9 	15.0 	377 	8.4 	125.7 	4 	1 	21 	46.7 	48 	4 	1 	1 	114.8
14 	Tim Tebow 	DEN 	QB 	20 	31 	64.5 	7.8 	310 	10.0 	77.5 	1 	0 	14 	45.2 	43T 	6 	2 	7 	108.3
15 	Kyle Orton 	DEN 	QB 	28 	42 	66.7 	14.0 	408 	9.7 	136.0 	2 	1 	19 	45.2 	42 	8 	1 	2 	104.1
[B]21 	John Skelton 	ARI 	QB 	9 	17 	52.9 	8.5 	133 	7.8 	66.5 	1 	0 	7 	41.2 	25 	3 	0 	0 	98.4[/B]
22 	Sam Bradford 	STL 	QB 	31 	54 	57.4 	13.5 	411 	7.6 	102.8 	5 	2 	21 	38.9 	83T 	5 	2 	3 	97.1
[B]28 	Kevin Kolb 	ARI 	QB 	22 	40 	55.0 	10.0 	356 	8.9 	89.0 	1 	0 	12 	30.0 	80T 	3 	2 	3 	93.3[/B]
30 	Rex Grossman 	WAS 	QB 	34 	53 	64.2 	17.7 	407 	7.7 	135.7 	2 	1 	22 	41.5 	38 	4 	0 	2 	92.3
32 	Tom Brady 	NE 	QB 	28 	50 	56.0 	16.7 	379 	7.6 	126.3 	3 	1 	14 	28.0 	64 	3 	2 	3 	92.0
33 	C. Whitehurst 	SEA 	QB 	42 	62 	67.7 	15.5 	405 	6.5 	101.2 	1 	0 	23 	37.1 	32 	5 	0 	1 	91.1
34 	Matt Schaub 	HOU 	QB 	30 	45 	66.7 	15.0 	363 	8.1 	121.0 	1 	1 	20 	44.4 	48 	5 	1 	2 	89.4

Rk 	Player 		Team 	Pos 	Comp 	Att 	Pct 	Att/G 	Yds 	Avg 	Yds/G 	TD 	Int 	1st 	1st% 	Lng 	20+ 	40+ 	Sck 	Rate
51 	M. Hasselbeck 	TEN 	QB 	26 	42 	61.9 	10.5 	301 	7.2 	75.2 	0 	0 	14 	33.3 	28 	5 	0 	1 	83.5
[B]56 	Brodie Croyle 	ARI 	QB 	10 	16 	62.5 	16.0 	104 	6.5 	104.0 	0 	0 	5 	31.3 	27 	1 	0 	0 	81.2
[/B]58 	Matt Ryan 	ATL 	QB 	35 	67 	52.2 	22.3 	426 	6.4 	142.0 	3 	1 	22 	32.8 	76T 	6 	1 	0 	80.8
59 	Drew Brees 	NO 	QB 	23 	41 	56.1 	13.7 	304 	7.4 	101.3 	0 	0 	13 	31.7 	43 	4 	1 	1 	79.7
[B]64 	Matt Leinart 	HOU 	QB 	36 	58 	62.1 	14.5 	361 	6.2 	90.2 	1 	1 	18 	31.0 	29 	3 	0 	2 	78.3[/B]
76 	Ryan Mallett 	NE 	QB 	36 	63 	57.1 	15.8 	357 	5.7 	89.2 	1 	1 	15 	23.8 	50 	3 	1 	6 	72.0
81 	Brady Quinn 	DEN 	QB 	22 	42 	52.4 	14.0 	276 	6.6 	92.0 	2 	2 	14 	33.3 	26 	4 	0 	1 	69.1
90 	Cam Newton 	CAR 	QB 	24 	57 	42.1 	14.2 	300 	5.3 	75.0 	1 	0 	14 	24.6 	36 	4 	0 	4 	64.9
91 	Blaine Gabbert 	JAC 	QB 	35 	70 	50.0 	17.5 	365 	5.2 	91.2 	1 	1 	19 	27.1 	32 	5 	0 	7 	64.3
94 	Tarv. Jackson 	SEA 	QB 	32 	55 	58.2 	13.8 	269 	4.9 	67.2 	1 	2 	13 	23.6 	43 	1 	1 	7 	61.9
100 	Tyler Thigpen 	BUF 	QB 	36 	75 	48.0 	18.8 	316 	4.2 	79.0 	2 	2 	15 	20.0 	24 	3 	0 	6 	57.4

Rk 	Player 		Team 	Pos 	Comp 	Att 	Pct 	Att/G 	Yds 	Avg 	Yds/G 	TD 	Int 	1st 	1st% 	Lng 	20+ 	40+ 	Sck 	Rate
103 	Levi Brown 	BUF 	QB 	15 	29 	51.7 	9.7 	160 	5.5 	53.3 	0 	1 	8 	27.6 	29 	3 	0 	0 	53.8
104 	Eli Manning 	NYG 	QB 	27 	55 	49.1 	18.3 	314 	5.7 	104.7 	0 	2 	16 	29.1 	29 	5 	0 	1 	51.6
105 	Alex Smith 	SF 	QB 	20 	36 	55.6 	9.0 	198 	5.5 	49.5 	0 	2 	10 	27.8 	32 	2 	0 	4 	48.1
108 	Michael Vick 	PHI 	QB 	19 	36 	52.8 	12.0 	219 	6.1 	73.0 	1 	3 	10 	27.8 	42 	2 	1 	2 	45.9
114 	C. Kaepernick 	SF 	QB 	24 	50 	48.0 	12.5 	257 	5.1 	64.2 	0 	5 	12 	24.0 	25 	3 	0 	8 	23.9

I was going to pull up Leinart's 2010 preseason stats for comparison but they have been mysteriously expunged from NFL.com here and here! I was just curious to see how the stats compared, since if i read correctly, on the THESMEL scale based on preseason performance, Leinart > Croyle > Bartel > Kolb.

...dave

NOTE: In case it is not clear, i am very well aware of the value of preseason stats, ranking players based on very small sample size, etc. Just thought this was interesting / amusing!

 

[Stout]

Let's not get overly excited here, folks. Croyle has sucked pretty bad. Bartel played well--against a bunch of last-teamers and cuts. He looked good doing it, and has earned a spot on the team, but certainly not the #2 job. Skelton played rather well this preseason and has had more time with the team. So, it should be Kolb, Skelton, and Bartel, as the 3 QBs, in that order.

Oh, yeah, and the depth chart that was just posted said exactly that. Damn, I'm good

 

[Duckjake]

Let's not get overly excited here, folks. Croyle has sucked pretty bad. Bartel played well--against a bunch of last-teamers and cuts. He looked good doing it, and has earned a spot on the team, but certainly not the #2 job. Skelton played rather well this preseason and has had more time with the team. So, it should be Kolb, Skelton, and Bartel, as the 3 QBs, in that order.

Oh, yeah, and the depth chart that was just posted said exactly that. Damn, I'm good

If a guy runs a 9.6 100 meters against scrubs and cuts he's still fast.

Bartel is generating optimism not just because of his stats but as you say he has looked like an NFL QB doing it. I never saw that in Brian St.Pierre or Max Hall.

On the other hand I haven't seen anything from Kolb to make me think he is a top NFL QB. I think Game Rewind at nfl.com comes on line this week so I need to go watch a couple of his previous games so I'm not just seeing pre-season stuff.

I don't know. I guess I just expected a more polished look from a guy who has 4 years in the NFL with Andy Reid and 4 in college with Art Briles and not hearing fans say that its because Kolb hasn't had enough time in the system and he'll get better.

Probably just gun shy after BSP being touted as a potential starter and last season's fiasco with DeWreck and mini-Max.

 

[PDXChris]

Bartel can probably handle your truck, not sure, what was your critiera to determine Brodie can't back up your truck?

 

[Big Deal]

We can even throw in Cody Broil and Hax Maul

Just because you can't spell doesn't mean you shouldn't at least try.

 

[PJ1]

To me Bartel may have been the biggest surprise of the preseason. The guy looked great. Very much poised and accurate. Hangs in the pocket to make a play also.

 

[Stout]

If a guy runs a 9.6 100 meters against scrubs and cuts he's still fast.

Bartel is generating optimism not just because of his stats but as you say he has looked like an NFL QB doing it. I never saw that in Brian St.Pierre or Max Hall.

On the other hand I haven't seen anything from Kolb to make me think he is a top NFL QB. I think Game Rewind at nfl.com comes on line this week so I need to go watch a couple of his previous games so I'm not just seeing pre-season stuff.

I don't know. I guess I just expected a more polished look from a guy who has 4 years in the NFL with Andy Reid and 4 in college with Art Briles and not hearing fans say that its because Kolb hasn't had enough time in the system and he'll get better.

Probably just gun shy after BSP being touted as a potential starter and last season's fiasco with DeWreck and mini-Max.

Remember, Kolb had ZERO prep time. Give him a chance.

 

[Cardiac]

Remember, Kolb had ZERO prep time. Give him a chance.

Stout, just DJ working his mojo anti jinx thingy.

 

[Duckjake]

Remember, Kolb had ZERO prep time. Give him a chance.

I don't know. I guess I just expected a more polished look from a guy who has 4 years in the NFL with Andy Reid and 4 in college with Art Briles and not hearing fans say that its because Kolb hasn't had enough time in the system and he'll get better.