Beasley supposedly measures out at 6'6 1/2"

[Russ Smith]

http://www.draftexpress.com/article/Partial-Measurements-and-Combine-Results-Released-2911/

Partial results from draft express although there's some discrepancies already for example someone who was there when they were measuring reported Love just over 6'8" but DE is saying 6'7 1/2 without shoes 6'9 1/4 with shoes. And they said Mayo had a 41 inch vertical and then later said he had a 42. I'm told Westbrook also did 41 and apparently Patrick Ewing Jr did 42"

Beasley was 6'7" according to this list so he definitely came up short.

 

[Irish]

http://www.sun-sentinel.com/sports/basketball/heat/sfl-flspheat03sbjun03,0,3261096.story

Apparently the is only 6'8" with shoes, but

However, Riley said Beasley's other measurements more than compensate.

"He's got a plus-five wingspan," Riley said, which would give Beasley the wingspan of a player 7-1 1/2. "He's got a 35-inch vertical. He goes 21 inches above the rim, jumping."

Riley said Beasley "tested extremely well in all the measurements," coming in at 238 pounds and 7 1/2-percent body fat. Heat trainer Bill Foran was among those who worked at the camp.

"His game is about quickness," Riley said of Beasley. "It's about the ability to change at the rim, left- to right-handed. His shuttle speed was actually better than most guards. His ability was better than most guards in the camp.

 

[Russ Smith]

http://www.draftexpress.com/article/Partial-Measurements-and-Combine-Results-Released-2911/

Partial results from draft express although there's some discrepancies already for example someone who was there when they were measuring reported Love just over 6'8" but DE is saying 6'7 1/2 without shoes 6'9 1/4 with shoes. And they said Mayo had a 41 inch vertical and then later said he had a 42. I'm told Westbrook also did 41 and apparently Patrick Ewing Jr did 42"

Beasley was 6'7" according to this list so he definitely came up short.

I give up, DE is now reporting Westbrooks' vertical was only 36". I guess they measure it off 2 feet with a start. I will say this, I've seen Mayo and Westbrook play against each other 3 times and while Mayo is the better player, Westbrook is clearly more athletic and a better leaper.

According to DE Westbrook only has a 1.5 inch higher vertical that Kevin Love which is surprising as hell. Clearly their tests don't equate to actual game play or I need to get a new eyes immediately.

 

[Mainstreet]

Thanks. There is no way he was two inches taller than me.

It's been my experience and observation that when people get older they lose height. I don't know if that is true with Barkley, but I know I have lost close to 1 to 1 1/2 inches from my younger days.

 

[Russ Smith]

http://www.draftexpress.com/nba-pre-draft-measurements/

 

[jandaman]

Its becomming more and more apparent, that Beasley's game, converted to NBA level will be very close to Carmelo Anthony.

And as some draft site's projections state Carmelo Anthony as a good comparison, and then him measuring at 6'7 without shoes.... I don't really see much surprise with that...


Anthony is a fair rebounder in the league and has a very good aresenal of offensive moves, has an okay post, mainly due to his aggressive and physical style combined with quickness... Beasley is pretty much going the same, even more physical.


Anthony was compared to Glen Robinson and people argued that he is much better, but its looking like he isnt that much better, both highly skilled forwards in the offense side, mediocre defense, fair rebounders.


Pretty much, if you draft Beasley, expect Anthony or a Robinson.

The Derrick Coleman comparison should die now, since Derrick measured 2-3 inch taller and had longer reach...; and pretty much just bigger.




Since lots of GMs pretty much seen what Beasley could be.... Anthony.. then Rose is more appealing now...




Although, Beasley could easily become a player in the mold of Barkley or Malone... If he puts an extra 20~25 pounds of muscle, while maintaining as much quickness.... who knows.

 

[ajcardfan]

It's been my experience and observation that when people get older they lose height. I don't know if that is true with Barkley, but I know I have lost close to 1 to 1 1/2 inches from my younger days.

I met him in 1993, the year he won the MVP and we played Chicago in the Finals.

 

[Mainstreet]

I met him in 1993, the year he won the MVP and we played Chicago in the Finals.

So are you both shorter now?

Just joking, I couldn't resist. I know what you are saying.

 

[ajcardfan]

So are you both shorter now?

Just joking, I couldn't resist. I know what you are saying.

I know it's harder for me to stand up straight. I'd say, for both of us, what we've lost in height, we've replaced with width.

 

[Mainstreet]

I know it's harder for me to stand up straight. I'd say, for both of us, what we've lost in height, we've replaced with width.

The same with me.

 

[Mulli]

I know it's harder for me to stand up straight. I'd say, for both of us, what we've lost in height, we've replaced with width.

The same with me.

Join. I look at it as personal growth.

 

[nowagimp]

Its becomming more and more apparent, that Beasley's game, converted to NBA level will be very close to Carmelo Anthony.

And as some draft site's projections state Carmelo Anthony as a good comparison, and then him measuring at 6'7 without shoes.... I don't really see much surprise with that...


Anthony is a fair rebounder in the league and has a very good aresenal of offensive moves, has an okay post, mainly due to his aggressive and physical style combined with quickness... Beasley is pretty much going the same, even more physical.


Anthony was compared to Glen Robinson and people argued that he is much better, but its looking like he isnt that much better, both highly skilled forwards in the offense side, mediocre defense, fair rebounders.


Pretty much, if you draft Beasley, expect Anthony or a Robinson.

The Derrick Coleman comparison should die now, since Derrick measured 2-3 inch taller and had longer reach...; and pretty much just bigger.




Since lots of GMs pretty much seen what Beasley could be.... Anthony.. then Rose is more appealing now...




Although, Beasley could easily become a player in the mold of Barkley or Malone... If he puts an extra 20~25 pounds of muscle, while maintaining as much quickness.... who knows.

I am not a melo fan, but comparing him to glenn robinson is a bit off base. Glen robinson had poor handles and not much hops, couldnt do much off the dribble and was a mediocre finisher(melo has been one of the top dunkers, and has dunked on shotblockers(35" vertical)). Beasley is already stronger(235lbs) than those guys(melo is 225lbs now) were as rookies,n has a 35" vertical, I expect him to come out of the weight room at about 245-250 in 2-3 years. He still has the issue of being strong enough, but not tall enough to be a classic PF, and probably not quick enough to guard 3's. I'd take rose or perhaps mayo before beasley.

 

[Irish]

Glenn Robinson was a very good offensive player: career 20.7 ppg (8 seasons scoring over 20 ppg), 45.9% shooter (only a couple of really good years shooting the three and decent rebounding at 6.1 rpg for a guy who was mostly a wing.

His problem was that he didn't play much defense and was constantly injured.

 

[Mainstreet]

I'd take rose or perhaps mayo before beasley.

This is my thinking as well although I admit I do not know much about Beasley. I think Rose is the safest pick in the draft and Mayo perhaps the most talented player in the draft.

 

[nowagimp]

Glenn Robinson was a very good offensive player: career 20.7 ppg (8 seasons scoring over 20 ppg), 45.9% shooter (only a couple of really good years shooting the three and decent rebounding at 6.1 rpg for a guy who was mostly a wing.

His problem was that he didn't play much defense and was constantly injured.

Glenn robinson never saw a shot he didnt like -in that way he was like melo- but he didnt even have an all around game on offense, just a killer jump shot and a decent mid range game. I watched Glenn for his entire career, he almost never missed an open jump shot, but was not a finisher at all and had no hops. He was a better shooter than melo, but he was not a problem in the paint. He could never be a first option on a decent team. Melo has had over 150 dunks in a season, thats a finisher at the SF.

 

[Russ Smith]

This is my thinking as well although I admit I do not know much about Beasley. I think Rose is the safest pick in the draft and Mayo perhaps the most talented player in the draft.

Rose was somewhat surprising in the measurements he's shorter than advertised and his vertical was lower than Mayo's. That said anybody who saw him play knows he's a freak athlete and the advantage he has over Mayo is he has a definite NBA position, PG.

Mayo is in the is he a PG or a SG mode still. Mayo is a much better shooter than Rose, taller, and he's also a full year older.


All the guards have issues, Rose can't shoot, gordon is a tweener with a weight problem, Bayless has really short arms so he's not very "long", Westbrook iffy shooter is he a PG or a SG. Of the group I think Rose is the safest bet. The reason Westbrook is so popular is because he's the new kid of the bunch, and because he's only 19 he's actually young for his class not old.

Currently I think as prospects I'd still go Rose, Bayless, Mayo, Gordon, Westbrook. I think Gordon would be 2nd if he wasn't so pudgy.Even after weeks with a trainer he showed up over 8% bodyfat which is high for a guard.

The kid who hurt himself the most appears to be Davon Jefferson, measured under 6'7", 12% bodyfat and only a 32 inch vertical(from a kid who can sky). Very clear the DE reports were correct and he was out of shape for the camp, he probably played himself into going undrafted.

One kid that helped himself is DeMarcus Nelson he measured short(6'1" without shoes) but he has a 6'10" reach and a 38.5 vert and he reportedly impressed at the camp on the court. He played more as a 3 at Duke but they said he showed some guard skills. Also Bryce Taylor of Oregon did really well in the workouts and probably got himself into the 2nd round.

 

[JCSunsfan]

Mayo will play the point and he will play it well. He played combo in college bc of the nature of his team. I would take Mayo before Beasley.

 

[Russ Smith]

Mayo will play the point and he will play it well. He played combo in college bc of the nature of his team. I would take Mayo before Beasley.

I have to be honest that's what all the scouts are saying but I just didn't see it at USC. Mayo was completely unable to run the offense at SC, when Hackett was out injured USC was a completely different team because their offense bogged down without Hackett. His backup was a freshman(Angelo Johnson) who struggled but Mayo saw plenty of time at PG at that time and couldn't do it. USC runs a fairly halfcourt offense Floyd is a believer in you win with defense and taking high percentage shots, and Mayo was completely unable to run his offense.

If Mayo goes to an offense like the Suns or the Warriors where it's wide open he can probably run the PG position but if he goes to a more halfcourt system I think he'll struggle for a few years as a PG. His A/TO rate was terrible most of the season.

What I saw in college was a SG with some potential to play PG, I compare Mayo to a more athletic Billups, when Billups came in he was a tweener who shot too much and couldn't run an offense, he's completely remade himself in Detroit. If Mayo is asked to play PG I think he'll have a similar learning curve.

 

[Mainstreet]

What I saw in college was a SG with some potential to play PG, I compare Mayo to a more athletic Billups, when Billups came in he was a tweener who shot too much and couldn't run an offense, he's completely remade himself in Detroit. If Mayo is asked to play PG I think he'll have a similar learning curve.

I think this is a good analysis. The few times I have seen Mayo play, he seemed to overshadow the other players on both teams as a man playing among boys. IMO, Mayo is good enough to make a team forget if he is a 1 or 2. However, if a team is looking for him to be a pure PG from the get-go, they better look at some other players. I'm still inclined to believe he may be the most talented player in the draft although Rose is the safer pick.

 

[nowagimp]

What I saw in college was a SG with some potential to play PG, I compare Mayo to a more athletic Billups, when Billups came in he was a tweener who shot too much and couldn't run an offense, he's completely remade himself in Detroit. If Mayo is asked to play PG I think he'll have a similar learning curve.

IMO, Mayo is a '2', and a much better prospect @ '2' than billups. With his length, speed, shooting skills, and 40" vert(kobes vert was 38"), mayo will be able to create his own shot in a way that Billups never did. Billups has made a career of banging into his defender to create space and shooting open shots off screens. Mayos potential reminds me more of a less physical jason richardson.

 

[Irish]

Rose may not be much of a shooter, but no one stopped him until he played Kansas. The Jayhawks gave him trouble by ignoring the pick man on the pick and roll while playing denial on Douglas Roberts. IMHO, Self outcoached Calipari, but I came away impressed with Rose.

In the finals, Rose scored 18 points and had 8 of the Tiger's 14 assists despire being double teamed constantly. His main problem was not shooting the 3 well (only 1 of 6). He shot 6 of 11 inside the arc.

 

[Russ Smith]

IMO, Mayo is a '2', and a much better prospect @ '2' than billups. With his length, speed, shooting skills, and 40" vert(kobes vert was 38"), mayo will be able to create his own shot in a way that Billups never did. Billups has made a career of banging into his defender to create space and shooting open shots off screens. Mayos potential reminds me more of a less physical jason richardson.

The thing is Mayo doesn't play like he has a 40 inch vertical he's not a particularly great finisher in traffic(he's good mind you but not special at it). If you look at his numbers, Eric Gordon for example shot over a 100 more FT's in the same number of games with similar attempts and similar 3 point attempts. Gordon was just much better at drawing fouls than Mayo was in college.

They talked about it all year on Pac 10 games Marques Johnson and Maclean both saying they couldn't understand why Mayo didn't attack the basket more and go to the FT line instead of relying on jumpshots so much. Apparently scouts think it's because of the offense Floyd ran it just put Mayo too many times with the ball and the clock running down having to take a jumper.

Mayo's always impressed me with his ability to make contested shots, in that regard he's like Kobe he can flat footed just lean back and create enough space to get off a 22 footer with ease, the problem is he took too many of those at USC.

The other thing I love about his game is he really understands pace, he knows when to speed up or slow down to beat a defender he understands that going 100MPH doesn't always work, something Rose struggled with at Memphis.

 

[Russ Smith]

Rose may not be much of a shooter, but no one stopped him until he played Kansas. The Jayhawks gave him trouble by ignoring the pick man on the pick and roll while playing denial on Douglas Roberts. IMHO, Self outcoached Calipari, but I came away impressed with Rose.

In the finals, Rose scored 18 points and had 8 of the Tiger's 14 assists despire being double teamed constantly. His main problem was not shooting the 3 well (only 1 of 6). He shot 6 of 11 inside the arc.

Part of that was in the tourney Memphis saw very little zone and Rose just overpowered small guards like Augustin or Collison. in the regular season teams taht stopped him did so by zoning or playing a gimmick(USC's triangle and two) so that if Rose got by his man there was defense waiting.

He'll have to show he can make jumpshots eventually but he's just so athletic I figure he's a can't miss NBA star.

 

[Irish]

Part of that was in the tourney Memphis saw very little zone and Rose just overpowered small guards like Augustin or Collison. in the regular season teams taht stopped him did so by zoning or playing a gimmick(USC's triangle and two) so that if Rose got by his man there was defense waiting.

He'll have to show he can make jumpshots eventually but he's just so athletic I figure he's a can't miss NBA star.

If meory serves, the Tigers did better against the zone than that "ignore the pick may" switching man defense. The reality was that Rose did what he was supposed to do which is pass to the pick man. However, KU kept defenders in close and just ignored the second wing shooter.

 

[Russ Smith]

If meory serves, the Tigers did better against the zone than that "ignore the pick may" switching man defense. The reality was that Rose did what he was supposed to do which is pass to the pick man. However, KU kept defenders in close and just ignored the second wing shooter.

I guess I'm confused, Memphis doesn't set picks it's one of the basic tenets of the offense Calipari got from Vance Walberg. The closest thing they do to a pick is the handoff where the dribbler hands off to a teammate and in the process of doing that they essentially pick the handoff guys man. Before they played UCLA someone asked Ben Howland how are you going to hedge the pick against an offense that doesn't set picks and he said we'll just have to hedge the handoffs.

Everyone wondered if Kansas would play zone against them but save a few trips here or there Kansas stuck with its man. Their guards are so good on defense and Collins played Rose so tough they were able to get away with it.

Doesn't really matter we both seem to think Rose is a fabulous prospect I'm just confused what you were saying about defending the pick unless you're talking about the handoff.